Our loses have been to teams with a combined 40-7 record..

[TruWVblu]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

more mouth breathing I see. Saying our coach hasn't accomplished enough to get another season? Seriously? We are 7-4, bowl bound with a chance to finish 9-4 in the Big 12 (the 2nd best conference in America). Find a new hobby knucklehead.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

I'm sure Dana appreciates your unwavering support.

If they beat KSU saturday, that's a winning conference record to go along with an undefeated OOC schedule which equals a good season.

This team returns a lot of firepower on offense next year and the defensive coaching staff is coming along nicely and starting to gel.

Firing the coach and his staff at this point would be idiotic, not to mention expensive.

 

[TruWVblu]

more mouth breathing I see. Saying our coach hasn't accomplished enough to get another season? Seriously? We are 7-4, bowl bound with a chance to finish 9-4 in the Big 12 (the 2nd best conference in America). Find a new hobby knucklehead.

I personally believe my post was very objective. And did you miss the part that pointed out our record against power 5 opponents was 17-42? I'm sure that sort of mediocrity is perfectly ok with you. By the way, is it possible for you to have a conversation with someone with an opposing view without using childish name calling?

 

[TruWVblu]

I'm sure Dana appreciates your unwavering support.

If they beat KSU saturday, that's a winning conference record to go along with an undefeated OOC schedule which equals a good season.

This team returns a lot of firepower on offense next year and the defensive coaching staff is coming along nicely and starting to gel.

Firing the coach and his staff at this point would be idiotic, not to mention expensive.

Hey, I said we should keep him on, even if you do not agree with the reasons. And he will have next season to prove himself. What more do you want? Sure we return some firepower and a QB that does not fit the system or the Big 12, and we also lose a lot of firepower on D. Again, what are you looking for? And by the way, it is always expensive to fire a head coach and will stay expensive when you give underserving contract extensions.

 

[Falcon1981]

Give it up man. Dana is here for the long term. No matter what our Walmart Mountaineer fan say he is staying.
I think a lot of you do like his personality or the way he projects himself.
To that I say to you get over it.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Hey, I said we should keep him on, even if you do not agree with the reasons. And he will have next season to prove himself. What more do you want? Sure we return some firepower and a QB that does not fit the system or the Big 12, and we also lose a lot of firepower on D. Again, what are you looking for? And by the way, it is always expensive to fire a head coach and will stay expensive when you give underserving contract extensions.

Since we are on the hook for Dana's contract (thanks Ollie), might as well let him ride it out unless he totally tanks.

2 things I'm particularly happy about.

1. The way the team has rallied after Karl's injury and the 4 game losing streak. The guys could have easy folded, but instead they did the opposite.
2. The way Dana has adjusted his offense to a more ground and pound style. So many coaches are stubborn and they are going to make "their system" work come hell or high water. The way Dana has adjusted to fit his personnel is good coaching.

 

[TruWVblu]

Since we are on the hook for Dana's contract (thanks Ollie), might as well let him ride it out unless he totally tanks.

2 things I'm particularly happy about.

1. The way the team has rallied after Karl's injury and the 4 game losing streak. The guys could have easy folded, but instead they did the opposite.
2. The way Dana has adjusted his offense to a more ground and pound style. So many coaches are stubborn and they are going to make "their system" work come hell or high water. The way Dana has adjusted to fit his personnel is good coaching.

I do not disagree with anything you said. However, until it works against much better opponents on a regular basis, we cannot say he is a successful head coach. Again, the combined record or our power 5 opponents is 17-42 this season. Surely you cannot be happy with that. With all of this said, I do want him to be successful. Like it has been said, making coaching changes is very risky and there is no way of knowing if you are making things better or worse. But there does have to be a limit to which we accept being extremely mediocre.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I personally believe my post was very objective. And did you miss the part that pointed out our record against power 5 opponents was 17-42? I'm sure that sort of mediocrity is perfectly ok with you. By the way, is it possible for you to have a conversation with someone with an opposing view without using childish name calling?

our record against P5 opponents is 17-42??? Where the hell did you get that? Lol

2011 10-3
2012. 7-6
2013. 4-8
2014. 7-6
2015. 7-4

Record 35-28

 

[TruWVblu]

our record against P5 opponents is 17-42??? Where the hell did you get that? Lol

2011 10-3
2012. 7-6
2013. 4-8
2014. 7-6
2015. 7-4

Record 35-28

It was meant to say the record of our power 5 opponents this season was 17-42. If you have been following the thread you knew the point. But thanks for pointing it out. It has been changed.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

our record against P5 opponents is 17-42??? Where the hell did you get that? Lol

2011 10-3
2012. 7-6
2013. 4-8
2014. 7-6
2015. 7-4

Record 35-28

He means "the record of the P5 opponents played against"

It really isn't that hard to decipher.

 

[Buckaineer]

The idiotic thought process of some is just amazing. Downrating P5 wins because some of those schools aren't the top 25 programs? Seriously? You could go through the list of all the top 25 teams and most of their wins over the years are going to be against such opponents--and if you dismiss all those wins as the DH bashers would, then you are left with just a few "quality wins" for each--so apparently all Head coaches should be fired.

Why is it so difficult for some to comprehend that WVU switched conferences and now has to compete with several of the top teams in the country year in and out? WVU this season lost to only teams that were top ten or top 15, yet for some reason, even though they are now 7-4 with a chance to go 9-4 blow it all up?

Yeah, great recipe for success there.

Think about it--WVU can be 9-4 coming out of the toughest October stretch of anyone in the country and the toughest in WVUs history--and some want to destroy everything because "the wins aren't good enough wins".

Wow. If people didn't understand there are non WVU fans here with an agenda, they certainly should now.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

It was meant to say the record of our power 5 opponents this season was 17-42. If you have been following the thread you knew the point. But thanks for pointing it out. It has been changed.

so what is your point anyway? We beat the teams we were supposed to beat. We didn't lose to any of those teams who combined to go 17-42. We lost 4 games to 4 top 15 schools. Nobody else. You're really reaching here and grasping at straws.

 

[TruWVblu]

so what is your point anyway? We beat the teams we were supposed to beat. We didn't lose to any of those teams who combined to go 17-42. We lost 4 games to 4 top 15 schools. Nobody else. You're really reaching here and grasping at straws.

If you are happy with that outcome on a regular basis, we are wasting our time. Personally, I believe we are capable of more than that and most big time programs expect more. I do appreciate your dialogue over the past two posts without name calling. Having a differing opinion is ok. It makes the world go around.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

If you are happy with that outcome on a regular basis, we are wasting our time. Personally, I believe we are capable of more than that and most big time programs expect more. I do appreciate your dialogue over the past two posts without name calling. Having a differing opinion is ok. It makes the world go around.

so we should fire our coach for losing to those 4 top 15 schools (all of which were in the top 4 playoff discussion over the last month)?

 

[TruWVblu]

so we should fire our coach for losing to those 4 top 15 schools (all of which were in the top 4 playoff discussion over the last month)?

Did you miss the original post that said we will and should keep Holgorsen for another season? Now, I do not believe we should keep him with another like season. Like I said earlier, and you clearly did not read, he has more than enough opportunity to prove him successful next season. He should beat a lower tier SEC team in Missouri with a new HC and also should beat BYU. And it is not too much to expect to finish near the top of the conference in his 6th season. Notice, I did not say he has to win the conference. I believe my expectations are reasonable, even considering the conference affiliation.

 

[WVU-SE]

You can only play who you play? Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) the Big 12 has no middle ground (other than us) this year. We lost to four very good team, and one of them we could've easily won with a fourth down stop.

The other thing is, we won pretty much every game convincingly. Not a nail biter out there really. We have a game left to play but we could have easily won another game and we really never in doubt of losing another.

Considering we have an average (at best) QB at the helm, I think the coaching has to be attributed to the success of this team. In saying that the HC is also responsible for not having a quality QB on the team but that is whole different discussion.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Did you miss the original post that said we will and should keep Holgorsen for another season? Now, I do not believe we should keep him with another like season. Like I said earlier, and you clearly did not read, he has more than enough opportunity to prove him successful next season. He should beat a lower tier SEC team in Missouri with a new HC and also should beat BYU. And it is not too much to expect to finish near the top of the conference in his 6th season. Notice, I did not say he has to win the conference. I believe my expectations are reasonable, even considering the conference affiliation.

the issue is, the rest of the conference has the same goals. The big 12 is brutal. Time will tell. I think we will be solid next year. My worry is we lose a lot on defense. Offense should be strong. I'm still 50/50 on skyler.

 

[dolemitebmf]

Since we are on the hook for Dana's contract (thanks Ollie), might as well let him ride it out unless he totally tanks.

2 things I'm particularly happy about.

1. The way the team has rallied after Karl's injury and the 4 game losing streak. The guys could have easy folded, but instead they did the opposite.
2. The way Dana has adjusted his offense to a more ground and pound style. So many coaches are stubborn and they are going to make "their system" work come hell or high water. The way Dana has adjusted to fit his personnel is good coaching.

Completely agree with both points...

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

so what is your point anyway? We beat the teams we were supposed to beat. We didn't lose to any of those teams who combined to go 17-42. We lost 4 games to 4 top 15 schools. Nobody else. You're really reaching here and grasping at straws.

Agree. I think it's true for a lot of schools that they lose one game to a team they should have beaten and win against a better team. We almost had the latter with OSU. Let's hope we don't have the former with KSU.

If we finish 9-4, that's a very good season. If we finish in the top 25, that's a great season.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Let's look at the record:
WVU is a middle of the pack Big 12 team. 5th place.
WVU is the best of the bottom 6 in the Big 12.
WVU lost to the top 4 in the Big 12.
That's neither cause for celebration or condemnation, just appreciation for what should be an 8-4 season and maybe 9-4 depending on the bowl outcome.
Is it the most that I want? Of course not. Hell, at the minimum I want the Big 12 title, but that is unrealistic, although TCU makes me wonder why WVU can't do it, too.
WVU needs to improve in 2016 so that it is solid in the top 5 of the Big 12, going at least 2-2 against the likes of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU. Since only 2 of them are back to back, it will be a helluva lot easier than with 2015's October Octopus Onslaught, which was really appropriately named.


M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0

O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17

U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense

N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24

T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.

A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.

I ncinerated by TCU, 40-10. Way too many mistakes, penalties, dropped passes.

N ifty rushing, defense take down Texas Tech, 31-26

E xcellent turnovers by defense against Texas, 38-20

E rectile dysfunctioned Kansas, 49-0

R emarkable defense skewered Iowa State, 30-6

S lap down Kansas State

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

TruWVblu - you are going to find similar records vs defeated opponents under both Nehlen and RR(in the years before Miami, VT and BC bolted). Here are two Nehlen examples - 1988 the 11 teams we beat were 49-60-1 and in 1981 the 9 teams that we beat were 39-48-2. (And I am not picking on Nehlen because he is my favorite WVU coach and the person I think is responsible for putting WVU on the path to be included in the major football programs) You are truly barking up the wrong tree here.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

A great post by an obviously fresh and creative board member. I love the new ideas.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Did you miss the original post that said we will and should keep Holgorsen for another season? Now, I do not believe we should keep him with another like season. Like I said earlier, and you clearly did not read, he has more than enough opportunity to prove him successful next season. He should beat a lower tier SEC team in Missouri with a new HC and also should beat BYU. And it is not too much to expect to finish near the top of the conference in his 6th season. Notice, I did not say he has to win the conference. I believe my expectations are reasonable, even considering the conference affiliation.

Shhhewww, thanks for clearing that up. I was waiting for your opinion on this and was honestly a bit nervous you'd go in the opposite direction. Now we can finally go forward as a fan base. Dana will rest easier tonight, that's for sure.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

agreed

 

[TruWVblu]

TruWVblu - you are going to find similar records vs defeated opponents under both Nehlen and RR(in the years before Miami, VT and BC bolted). Here are two Nehlen examples - 1988 the 11 teams we beat were 49-60-1 and in 1981 the 9 teams that we beat were 39-48-2. (And I am not picking on Nehlen because he is my favorite WVU coach and the person I think is responsible for putting WVU on the path to be included in the major football programs) You are truly barking up the wrong tree here.

Woody, first and foremost, I do value your opinions. As for the DN and RR references, both of those coaches, especially DN proved they could win and win at a very high level. So when they hit lows in their coaching careers, they had those very successful years to fall back on. I have more conviction for the DN years than I do for those of RR because I was never really a RR fan. The fact remains, that DH simply does not have that resume to stand on.

 

[NC EnginEER]

I don't see us competing for the B12 conference championship next year so that will be 5 years of finishing in the middle of the pack or lower in the B12. I don't think that's acceptable. I'm realistic enough to understand that we can't win the B12 every year but I do expect us to be in the conversation at least once in 5 years.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

It's championship or bust for TruStew. That man has standards and by golly, he won't be attending games if they don't have national title implications. The going rates at the Comfort Inn are darn near $115/per night on game days and the price for the all you can eat buffet from Golden Corral keeps creepin' up. Dana better channel his inner Saban pretty quick - or else.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Woody, first and foremost, I do value your opinions. As for the DN and RR references, both of those coaches, especially DN proved they could win and win at a very high level. So when they hit lows in their coaching careers, they had those very successful years to fall back on. I have more conviction for the DN years than I do for those of RR because I was never really a RR fan. The fact remains, that DH simply does not have that resume to stand on.

i would like to see consistent proof Nehlen proved he could win at a high level. He sneaked into a NC game in 1988 playing (what amounted to) a CUSA type schedule. Just one team with more than 6 wins that year. He set the consecutive bowl loss record (8 straight bowl losses). His record against top 25 teams is a losing record.

 

[.Bodhi.]

and that certainly cannot be overlooked, as many here want to tout. At the same time, our wins have come at the expense of teams with a combined 31-50 record, with 14 of those victories coming from GA Southern and Liberty. Our power 5 opponents have compiled a record of 17-42. I'm not overlooking the quality of our loses but we have to be fair, and our wins are not very impressive. Do I think our head coach has accomplished enough to get another season, absolutely not.

With that said, and as many have pointed out, there are so many coaching vacancies to fill at the moment, it is just not a good time to find a quality replacement. So, we go forward with Holgorsen as I agree we should, but we should expect more from our head coach next season. Our schedule gives him many opportunities to be successful. We should beat a lower tier SEC team (Missouri) that will have a new head coach and also should take care of BYU. We should also be able to expect a coach in his 6th season to finish near the top of the conference. Are these expectations too high?

Eight wins were enough for you when WVU was playing UCONN, USF, ECU, and lucking out to beat moou under Stewart. What's changed?

 

[TruWVblu]

Eight wins were enough for you when WVU was playing UCONN, USF, ECU, and lucking out to beat moou under Stewart. What's changed?

Actually, I think 10 wins is the standard most would like to achieve. Within that 10 wins you would like to beat a team you would not supposed to and beat every team you were expected to beat, while at the same time playing for one of the top spots in whatever conference you are in. You also should avoid losing to a team that no other team of your perceived caliber would ever lose to. Stewart achieved some of those but not all. In my opinion, Stewart should have been replaced, albeit not in the manner in which he was, but mainly because he refused to part ways with Mullen. As for Holgorsen, we have given him the excuse of playing in a tougher conference, while ignoring the fact he lost to teams that he just should have never lost to. There is not one other Big 12 team that has lost to Kansas over the past 4 years except WVU. He also lost a game to a bad Iowa State team at home, in which he had a 28 point lead. He has been extremely average overall.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Eight wins were enough for you when WVU was playing UCONN, USF, ECU, and lucking out to beat moou under Stewart. What's changed?

It has nothing to do with wins or standards. He simply doesn't like Dana, hasn't from day 1 and never will.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Actually, I think 10 wins is the standard most would like to achieve. Within that 10 wins you would like to beat a team you would not supposed to and beat every team you were expected to beat, while at the same time playing for one of the top spots in whatever conference you are in. You also should avoid losing to a team that no other team of your perceived caliber would ever lose to. Stewart achieved some of those but not all. In my opinion, Stewart should have been replaced, albeit not in the manner in which he was, but mainly because he refused to part ways with Mullen. As for Holgorsen, we have given him the excuse of playing in a tougher conference, while ignoring the fact he lost to teams that he just should have never lost to. There is not one other Big 12 team that has lost to Kansas over the past 4 years except WVU. He also lost a game to a bad Iowa State team at home, in which he had a 28 point lead. He has been extremely average overall.

your point about losing to Kansas and Iowa state is moot because it happened a couple years ago and Holgorson is 4-0 against them since. That's like complaining Rod lost to temple and ignoring that was his first year at Wvu. Secondly we didn't lose to anyone we weren't supposed to. We won every game we should have won.

 

[TruWVblu]

your point about losing to Kansas and Iowa state is moot because it happened a couple years ago and Holgorson is 4-0 against them since. That's like complaining Rod lost to temple and ignoring that was his first year at Wvu. Secondly we didn't lose to anyone we weren't supposed to. We won every game we should have won.

In addition to Kansas, are you saying we should have lost to Iowa State, and Syracuse twice in very lopsided loses? By the way, I really like your new approach of debating an opposing view without calling me names. They really are just opinions after all.

 

[TruWVblu]

It has nothing to do with wins or standards. He simply doesn't like Dana, hasn't from day 1 and never will.

Not true. The only coach I did not like from the outset was RR.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

In addition to Kansas, are you saying we should have lost to Iowa State, and Syracuse twice in very lopsided loses? By the way, I really like your new approach of debating an opposing view without calling me names. They really are just opinions after all.

once again, your point is not relevant. That happened 3 years ago.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

your point about losing to Kansas and Iowa state is moot because it happened a couple years ago and Holgorson is 4-0 against them since. That's like complaining Rod lost to temple and ignoring that was his first year at Wvu. Secondly we didn't lose to anyone we weren't supposed to. We won every game we should have won.

Doesn't matter he should not have lost those games in the 1st place. Wvu for the most part has been mediocre since the end of the RR era. You complained about it during the Stewart era you should apply the same standards to DH. If Stewart had produced the same results as DH in the big 12 you would be one of the 1st people to show him the door. When is DH gonna recruit a division 1 QB? The Qb's we had in the big east where better. The Qb's we had prior to the Big east where better. Half the Qb's in the mac are better than what we have

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Doesn't matter he should not have lost those games in the 1st place. Wvu for the most part has been mediocre since the end of the RR era. You complained about it during the Stewart era you should apply the same standards to DH. If Stewart had produced the same results as DH in the big 12 you would be one of the 1st people to show him the door. When is DH gonna recruit a division 1 QB? The Qb's we had in the big east where better. The Qb's we had prior to the Big east where better. Half the Qb's in the mac are better than what we have

using your point and tru's point, I guess we should've been complaining about that temple loss Rodriguez had in 2001 instead of focusing on being a top 10 school from 2005-2007. "To hell with Pat White, Slaton, and Schmidt. We should be firing Rod for temple!!" Secondly, if Stewart was 7-4 today in the Big 12 with a shot at 9-4, I would be changing my opinion on his incompetence. Once again, this is NOT the big east. Stewart would be 3-9 or 4-8 or worse if he played this schedule. Wins Liberty, Georgia southern, Kansas and MAYBE Maryland.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

i would like to see consistent proof Nehlen proved he could win at a high level. He sneaked into a NC game in 1988 playing (what amounted to) a CUSA type schedule. Just one team with more than 6 wins that year. He set the consecutive bowl loss record (8 straight bowl losses). His record against top 25 teams is a losing record.

The 1988 schedule was certainly not a CUSA type schedule - Notably some of the eastern powers were down that year but lets look where those teams are not - 3 vs teams now in the Big 10. And 4 teams that are now in the ACC. 2 AAC teams, 1 MAC and 1 teams that does not play football any more. Most of the schedules in the 1980 are very close to the strength of our Big 12 schedules. The Eastern Independents were a very strong group of football schools at that time. And Maryland was a power in the ACC. Most years there were 3 to 5 games vs top 20 teams. Penn State and Pitt were in the top 10 for most of the decade.

 

[TruWVblu]

using your point and tru's point, I guess we should've been complaining about that temple loss Rodriguez had in 2001 instead of focusing on being a top 10 school from 2005-2007. "To hell with Pat White, Slaton, and Schmidt. We should be firing Rod for temple!!" Secondly, if Stewart was 7-4 today in the Big 12 with a shot at 9-4, I would be changing my opinion on his incompetence. Once again, this is NOT the big east. Stewart would be 3-9 or 4-8 or worse if he played this schedule. Wins Liberty, Georgia southern, Kansas and MAYBE Maryland.

I want to make sure I understand...you are comparing a RR loss to Temple in his first season, with a DH loss to Kansas in his 3rd season, followed by a loss to Iowa State? I should remind you that Temple had wins vs Rutgers and UCONN in consecutive seasons, pretty good teams back then, and Kansas had not beaten and still has not beaten a conference opponent in 5 years other than us. It really does not matter, except our agendas should be fair. DH is going to get another season and we should all hope he is successful. Otherwise, I have issues with that person's agenda being more important than our program. With that said, if we have another like season, it should be time for people to start accepting that he may not be right for this job.