OT: Anyone notice the Zona @ Washington State score?

[3xWVUenginEER]

Washington State 69
Zona 7

What possessed the Dick to FIRE Casteel? Or did Casteel say "F$&@ you I don't need you or to do the stupid off season videos. Go play Sparticus by yourself!"

Wow! That's just amazing. The only question is did the Cougars miss an extra point or have to settle for 2 FGs?

Karma!

 

[coalcountry52]

I think he fired Jeff to not have anyone question his job. Which sucks because Jeff took a huge risk leaving what was his job as long as he wanted it at WVU. I bet he wishes he hadn't been so loyal to Kirlav and whatever was between Kirlav and Dana. We upgraded majorly with this current staff, though.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Casteel was a decent coordinator, but when he left here I knew he was making a BIG MISTAKE. The Dick will always sacrifice his first born to save face. How many times did he grab Vaughn Rivers, Nate Sowers, etc, etc & move them from defense to offense to defense & then back to stand on the sidelines as a backup/3rd string slot WR in a 70% run offense?

This is one reason Tony Gibson has done so well. Dana does not grab every good athlete when he can't use them. I don't know of 1 player that's moved from the 2nd level back on defense to play or not play an offensive skill position.


Karma! It comes back. I guess the Dick can always win the offseason on the self promotion video scene.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

With a 6-game losing streak, Rich's resume doesn't look so rosy.
I still appreciate what he did at WVU, within a 4-7 Pitt 13-9 upset of playing for the national title.
And he did win a Pac-12 division one season.
But things aren't so appealing about Rich become HC at LSU or Alabama or Ohio State any time soon.
Thus are the slings of arrows and college football. Yesterday's stars are today's dulled glitter.

 

[coalcountry52]

Casteel was a decent coordinator, but when he left here I knew he was making a BIG MISTAKE. The Dick will always sacrifice his first born to save face. How many times did he grab Vaughn Rivers, Nate Sowers, etc, etc & move them from defense to offense to defense & then back to stand on the sidelines as a backup/3rd string slot WR in a 70% run offense?

This is one reason Tony Gibson has done so well. Dana does not grab every good athlete when he can't use them. I don't know of 1 player that's moved from the 2nd level back on defense to play or not play an offensive skill position.


Karma! It comes back. I guess the Dick can always win the offseason on the self promotion video scene.

Casteel IS a decent coordinator, even on the brink of good. Our Ds under him after DickRod left weren't coincidental, so I agree with Casteel just not getting a full cupboard under Dick. Casteel just wasn't going to stay under Dana, which had us suffer through two very poor defensive seasons, but the job was going to be his if he wanted it.

Now he's out of work at the moment and will have to start again at a lower-level school or only as a position coach at a P5 level. DickRod didn't give him time to develop his defense and deserves his poor record(s), that's for sure.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

I wonder if RR would still be having success at WVU, or if the modern game has just passed him by? If he is released by Arizona, I don't see him getting another high profile head coach position. Maybe something in the ACC.

 

[coalcountry52]

I wonder if RR would still be having success at WVU, or if the modern game has just passed him by? If he is released by Arizona, I don't see him getting another high profile head coach position. Maybe something in the ACC.

I think we saw Calvin Magee actually able to call a decent offensive game in the Fiesta Bowl, which was without DickRod's influence. He would need probably another ego deflation before he'd adjust to the times.

Air Raid puts a lot more emphasis on capitalizing on space in defenses than Dick's spread ever did. Remember when 2-3 WRs were simply extra blockers set out wide? The reason we're so balanced now is because any receiver on the field has the ability to burn defenses that don't respect them, thus opening up lanes to run. Pat White and Slaton get hurt, Dick's spread was a shell of its former self. So to answer your question, I'd say if we'd still gotten into the Big XII, we'd probably already had to change coaches due to Dick's inability to mix things up offensively, plus the whole Casteel thing already mentioned. And if he is let go by Arizona, he'll be in C-USA, possibly at Marshall or maybe at Maryland if they don't improve.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I wonder if RR would still be having success at WVU, or if the modern game has just passed him by? If he is released by Arizona, I don't see him getting another high profile head coach position. Maybe something in the ACC.

RR was a pioneer of the modern game. He runs a good system. I bet he just doesn't have the players this season.

 

[MikeRafone]

RR was a pioneer of the modern game.

Hmm... It's well known that Scott Tinsley gave Rich that offense at a WVAIC coaches clinic in the 90's. I guess that makes the current St. Albans H.S. football coach the inventor and Godfather of modern football?

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I wonder if RR would still be having success at WVU, or if the modern game has just passed him by? If he is released by Arizona, I don't see him getting another high profile head coach position. Maybe something in the ACC.

Sometimes things like this happen. Look at Ty Willingham and the Stanford/ND years. A .550 winning % was pretty good at Stanford back then, but .583 at ND got him fired. He tanked at Washington and now he is "retired", I believe.

Maybe RR is on the same career track?

 

[sammyk]

Hmm... It's well known that Scott Tinsley gave Rich that offense at a WVAIC coaches clinic in the 90's. I guess that makes the current St. Albans H.S. football coach the inventor and Godfather of modern football?

No it was Mike Springsteen that gave Rich Rod that offense

 

[MikeRafone]

Nope. Tinsley came up with it when was an assistant at Tech under Bob Goebel. Springsteen may claim credit, but it came from Tinsley.

 

[WVURobinHood]

Casteel IS a decent coordinator, even on the brink of good. Our Ds under him after DickRod left weren't coincidental, so I agree with Casteel just not getting a full cupboard under Dick. Casteel just wasn't going to stay under Dana, which had us suffer through two very poor defensive seasons, but the job was going to be his if he wanted it.

Now he's out of work at the moment and will have to start again at a lower-level school or only as a position coach at a P5 level. DickRod didn't give him time to develop his defense and deserves his poor record(s), that's for sure.

Kirlavich and Dana could not stand each other. Kirlavich had to go, Casteel chose poorly. Kirlavich is a asshole, always was............not to say Dana isn't or wasn't one too. haha

 

[MikeRafone]

I don't know if he was an asshole, but he smoked cheap cigars for a man making that much money. Bundled Dominican dog-rockets is all I ever saw that man puffin' on.

 

[coalcountry52]

Kirlavich and Dana could not stand each other. Kirlavich had to go, Casteel chose poorly. Kirlavich is a asshole, always was............not to say Dana isn't or wasn't one too. haha

That's all well and good but Jeff had the players for his system here. He had to start over but with converted athletes from another system or whatever was left over from Dick's offense. Then Dick didn't give him the time necessary. Imagine had Casteel been our coordinator in 2012, we win two more games probably if for nothing else than the players would have had a better idea of what they were doing.

Kirlav and Dana having a dick measuring contest in 2011 should not have helped force the decision to move on, but it did, and both sides suffered initially for it. We came out ahead in the end but we took some gnarly beatings in the process, and so did he.

 

[OlegeezEER]

I wonder if RR would still be having success at WVU, or if the modern game has just passed him by? If he is released by Arizona, I don't see him getting another high profile head coach position. Maybe something in the ACC.

Rich would be owed allot of money if he were to be released more than AZ would be willing to pay out. He isn't going anywhere this year. Stoops was kept 8 years and never won more than 8 games in a season. Rich has won 8 games in 3 of his 5 seasons.

 

[OlegeezEER]

RR was a pioneer of the modern game. He runs a good system. I bet he just doesn't have the players this season.

Arizona has had a ton of injuries to deal with this season. All 3 QB's have been injured there best RB has gone down. Your assessment is more accurate than most concerning Rich's predicament. I am no expert on AZ football but I do live about 2hrs from the campus so I know more than most on here.

 

[Euell]

Arizona has had a ton of injuries to deal with this season. All 3 QB's have been injured there best RB has gone down. Your assessment is more accurate than most concerning Rich's predicament. I am no expert on AZ football but I do live about 2hrs from the campus so I know more than most on here.

You are correct about the injuries. However, RR is 50 and 49 since leaving WVU. With games remaining this season with Colorado, Oregon State, and Arizona State he could be .500 or below .500 at end of this season since his departure from WVU.

 

[Euell]

Rich would be owed allot of money if he were to be released more than AZ would be willing to pay out. He isn't going anywhere this year. Stoops was kept 8 years and never won more than 8 games in a season. Rich has won 8 games in 3 of his 5 seasons.

www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2016/11/rodriguez-coaching-seat-heating-up
According to an article in The Daily Wildcat his seat is heating up.

 

[Euell]

www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2016/11/rodriguez-coaching-seat-heating-up
According to an article in The Daily Wildcat his seat is heating up.

The link failed. Sorry, I am old and technologically challenged.

 

[MikeRafone]

You and me both, Euell.

 

[OlegeezEER]

You are correct about the injuries. However, RR is 50 and 49 since leaving WVU. With games remaining this season with Colorado, Oregon State, and Arizona State he could be .500 or below .500 at end of this season since his departure from WVU.

RR's record since leaving Wvu is meaningless. The only thing that matters is his record at AZ. He may not be having a good year this year but his W/L ratio up to this point at AZ is far above the historical average for that school. His seat is definitely heating up but the daily wildcat are not accountants. Az has historically not spent allot of money on their football program. He would be owed over 8 million if they were to let him go and some of the boosters would owe him stock options which were thrown in to retain him after the fiesta bowl appearance 2 years ago. AZ isn't gonna dole that kind of money out for 1 bad season. In 2017 if things don't improve then maybe he will be shown the door but its not happening this year.

 

[Euell]

RR's record since leaving Wvu is meaningless. The only thing that matters is his record at AZ. He may not be having a good year this year but his W/L ratio up to this point at AZ is far above the historical average for that school. His seat is definitely heating up but the daily wildcat are not accountants. Az has historically not spent allot of money on their football program. He would be owed over 8 million if they were to let him go and some of the boosters would owe him stock options which were thrown in to retain him after the fiesta bowl appearance 2 years ago. AZ isn't gonna dole that kind of money out for 1 bad season. In 2017 if things don't improve then maybe he will be shown the door but its not happening this year.

I agree he won't be let go for the very reasons you outlined primarily the exorbitant amount that would be owed him. My point was while injuries have certainly factored into the poor season, I don't think it is the only reason. All indications are he is having some recruiting success so we will see where the Cats go from here. Personally, I will be surprised if they achieve any great level of success under RR.