That he more than likely is and it's a shame that some with more power were able to stop that movement.
Oklahoma's president not happy
- Thread starter Buckaineer
- Start date
That he more than likely is and it's a shame that some with more power were able to stop that movement.
If any president in the Big12 looks at these numbers and still believe that no expansion is needed then the Big12 and WVU will eventually be in Big trouble.
People want to say no current G5 schools bring anything to the table and they come to that conclusion because they are only looking at win loss records for football.
There are so many more things to consider besides football and the Big12 needs to understand yes in the short term schools individual revenues will take a small hit but in the long run it will pay dividends.
There are more than a few G5 schools out there who would add a) TV markets b) Championship caliber basketball programs both men and women and c) other sports like baseball ,Olympic sports etc.
The
Big12 better start thinking aggressive expansion or it will eventually be caught trying to catch up more than it already is now. Think about this and answer, IF the Big12 did eventually disband where does WVU end up? ACC already passed. The SEC might be willing to take WVU if a few other schools came as a package deal. No Big10 No PAC. It would find itself right back where it was as a Big East member.
Luck put all his eggs in the Big12 will be around forever basket which is fine because it was the only choice West Virginia University had but really what is plan B if that doesn't happen and WVU is sitting here a few years from now in a conference without Texas, Oklahoma Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU and probably Baylor.
Hopefully Boren's demands aren't swept under the carpet as has been done so far. The BIG 12 will find it difficult to survive another exodus in the next decade. That isn't really a desired outcome for anyone you'd think because there really are no guarantees out there and even UT or OU could easily find themselves in a bad situation if that happened.
It's time for the leaders in the institutions to stop reacting to everything after its too late and secure their future.
It's time for the leaders in the institutions to stop reacting to everything after its too late and secure their future.
Here's a full interview with Boren from a Tulsa news outlet:
excerpt:
Q & A with OU president David Boren
Q: In the statement, you said the disadvantages of having 10 teams, having no CCG and having no conference network should be addressed at the same time – what solutions or proposals do you have for Big 12 membership to consider to address all three?
A: “I have been pushing, and I still very strongly, that there’s the Big 12, which has only 10 members, and when you look at the big five conferences, we’re the one with only 10 members, we’re the one without a playoff, we’re the one without a conference network. And when you look at the long-range stability and the well-being of the conference, I think we’re disadvantaged by being the ‘little brother,’ so to speak, by being smaller. I think expansion is crucial.
I think that with expansion comes a very strong possibility and a need for a Big 12 Network — we’re leaving money on the table in terms of the interests of most of the members of the conference, and we can always find a transition distribution that will help Texas not be disadvantaged from their current setup as we transition from the Longhorn Network. But over the next 5-10 years, having a conference network is very important. Having 12 members is very important.
“And then I think having a playoff (championship) game adds to the possibility of both more revenues and, in most years, it will add to our ability to have stronger consideration for the College Football Playoff. I think the College Football Playoff, just psychologically, is going to have a tendency, the committee will have a tendency to look at a conference that’s much smaller, that doesn’t have a playoff game. The network’s not so important from that point of view, but it’s important financially, I think, in the long run. So I’m hoping that the idea of the playoff (championship) game will not be considered in isolation. I hope it will be part of a comprehensive reform of the conference. I really think this is an opportunity to do that. I think we could work out the details in goodwill, working with each other.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/spo...cle_d5e9b844-5fa0-5f4c-98f6-357abd37e19e.html
excerpt:
Q & A with OU president David Boren
Q: In the statement, you said the disadvantages of having 10 teams, having no CCG and having no conference network should be addressed at the same time – what solutions or proposals do you have for Big 12 membership to consider to address all three?
A: “I have been pushing, and I still very strongly, that there’s the Big 12, which has only 10 members, and when you look at the big five conferences, we’re the one with only 10 members, we’re the one without a playoff, we’re the one without a conference network. And when you look at the long-range stability and the well-being of the conference, I think we’re disadvantaged by being the ‘little brother,’ so to speak, by being smaller. I think expansion is crucial.
I think that with expansion comes a very strong possibility and a need for a Big 12 Network — we’re leaving money on the table in terms of the interests of most of the members of the conference, and we can always find a transition distribution that will help Texas not be disadvantaged from their current setup as we transition from the Longhorn Network. But over the next 5-10 years, having a conference network is very important. Having 12 members is very important.
“And then I think having a playoff (championship) game adds to the possibility of both more revenues and, in most years, it will add to our ability to have stronger consideration for the College Football Playoff. I think the College Football Playoff, just psychologically, is going to have a tendency, the committee will have a tendency to look at a conference that’s much smaller, that doesn’t have a playoff game. The network’s not so important from that point of view, but it’s important financially, I think, in the long run. So I’m hoping that the idea of the playoff (championship) game will not be considered in isolation. I hope it will be part of a comprehensive reform of the conference. I really think this is an opportunity to do that. I think we could work out the details in goodwill, working with each other.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/spo...cle_d5e9b844-5fa0-5f4c-98f6-357abd37e19e.html
From the more in depth interview linked above-here's some very good news from Boren:
OU's president David Boren:
"But our goal is not to move on to another conference. Our goal is to stay in the Big 12. So we’re concentrating all of our efforts right now not on even thinking about going anywhere else. We’re concentrating all of our efforts on strengthening the Big 12. And hopefully we’ll be successful."
OU's president David Boren:
"But our goal is not to move on to another conference. Our goal is to stay in the Big 12. So we’re concentrating all of our efforts right now not on even thinking about going anywhere else. We’re concentrating all of our efforts on strengthening the Big 12. And hopefully we’ll be successful."
And this from the interview above--again great info directly from the horses mouth:
A: “Haha, yeah, I won’t say anything about any of these schools. To get this done, we want everybody to support us. And hopefully—and I truly believe this—I don’t think there’s a single school in the Big 12 Conference in whose interest it is not to take these three steps. I think it’s in the interest of every single school in the Big 12 Conference to take these three steps and have a comprehensive plan.”
Q: Including Texas?
A: “Including Texas.”
Q: That would mean giving up the Longhorn Network, right?
A: “Well, but as I said, there are ways to find a transition formula for revenue distribution and so on. It’s going to be so much of an advantage to other schools for that to be ended and for us to have a Big 12 Conference. I would say also, rumors are that it loses quite a bit of money every year for ESPN, so I don’t think they would be sad to see a change. And I think the other schools would see enough long-term advantage that they would be willing to keep it revenue- neutral for Texas, so that Texas would not be making a huge financial sacrifice under the right transition plan to get it done. I think it’s such a long-range advantage to everybody that we can have a transition plan that will work.”
A: “Haha, yeah, I won’t say anything about any of these schools. To get this done, we want everybody to support us. And hopefully—and I truly believe this—I don’t think there’s a single school in the Big 12 Conference in whose interest it is not to take these three steps. I think it’s in the interest of every single school in the Big 12 Conference to take these three steps and have a comprehensive plan.”
Q: Including Texas?
A: “Including Texas.”
Q: That would mean giving up the Longhorn Network, right?
A: “Well, but as I said, there are ways to find a transition formula for revenue distribution and so on. It’s going to be so much of an advantage to other schools for that to be ended and for us to have a Big 12 Conference. I would say also, rumors are that it loses quite a bit of money every year for ESPN, so I don’t think they would be sad to see a change. And I think the other schools would see enough long-term advantage that they would be willing to keep it revenue- neutral for Texas, so that Texas would not be making a huge financial sacrifice under the right transition plan to get it done. I think it’s such a long-range advantage to everybody that we can have a transition plan that will work.”
I'm not into the back and forth thing, but:
1a) the SEC is the focus of espn, abc, & cbs. Oh and then there's the sec network which is owned by espn & the sec; More focus is given to SEC media days in Hoover AL than the ACC championship game & the SEC media days have higher attendance EVERY YEAR.
1b) espn will make a bigger play for the B1G network too cause right now Fox is the carrier/partner;
2) there are exactly 2 schools out of what 14/15 in that conference that move the dial for football in the ACC. One is FSU and the other I guess the ACC can count is ND, so lots of DEAD WEIGHT; and
3) despite all the additions they've added to bump up their TV deals, it's still a crappy payout compared to the sec, Big XII, b1g, & Pac 12. And they gave up their tier 3 rights.
Btw basketball and other sports don't mean squat for any conference in terms of $$$$ from TV. It's a 2-3 week post season owned by the ncaa and broadcast on cbs,
Bottom line, Nobody gives 2 $#!+$ about pitt, BC, Cuse, Louisville, wake, Duke, uva, Ga Tech, etc, and miami is a shell of what they used to be without uncle Nevin (just like Uncle Luther) supplementing the program. And honestly those schools aren't the #1 college draw in their own city, cause most are urban city schools in places that are pro towns or root for a state school(s).
The whole market share is totally overblown and been exposed when the school in that market can't have 35k (and in some places it's not even 25-30k) show up and the city population is in the millions. Nobody watches. Networks aren't going to be as dumb as they used to be. Too much competition and other options for viewing.
Market's are always going to be important to marketers and tv networks and conferences. Money has to come from somewhere. Its just the way it is. Even if models change and things go to a more subscriber based format--what's better, a little market or a big market? Big market means more people--more fans, more viewers, more people watching commercials or seeing sponsorships etc.
Here's a write up with some reaction from Texas and the commissioner to what Boren had to say, and some information about how the LHN could be merged into a B12N:
excerpt:
Boren later told the Tulsa World newspaper he wants all of the league’s third-tier properties, including LHN, folded into a Big 12 network.
Is that feasible? UT women’s athletic director Chris Plonsky, one of the driving forces behind the LHN deal, said Friday she respects Boren’s right to voice his opinion, but declined to go much further than that.
“It’s been an asset we were allowed to create,” Plonsky said of LHN. “It’s in place. I can’t comment on something that’s a hypothetical.”
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby wouldn’t bite on a question about Boren’s statement, either.
“We will work through that on a private basis,” Bowlsby said. “I don’t have anything further to say about it.”
Behind closed doors, however, Bowlsby, Boren and the rest of the conference’s presidents and chancellors figure to say plenty when they meet Feb. 4-5. The most pressing issue remains the question of whether or not to host a championship game — for which the NCAA cleared the way this week — but Boren is urging league leadership to address expansion and a network at the same time.
And although the OU president is the only person campaigning publicly for his proposals, his athletic director said Boren isn’t mentioning anything he hasn’t already run by the rest of the league.
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/c...HN-issue-Big-12-might-need-to-get-6762279.php
excerpt:
Boren later told the Tulsa World newspaper he wants all of the league’s third-tier properties, including LHN, folded into a Big 12 network.
Is that feasible? UT women’s athletic director Chris Plonsky, one of the driving forces behind the LHN deal, said Friday she respects Boren’s right to voice his opinion, but declined to go much further than that.
“It’s been an asset we were allowed to create,” Plonsky said of LHN. “It’s in place. I can’t comment on something that’s a hypothetical.”
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby wouldn’t bite on a question about Boren’s statement, either.
“We will work through that on a private basis,” Bowlsby said. “I don’t have anything further to say about it.”
Behind closed doors, however, Bowlsby, Boren and the rest of the conference’s presidents and chancellors figure to say plenty when they meet Feb. 4-5. The most pressing issue remains the question of whether or not to host a championship game — for which the NCAA cleared the way this week — but Boren is urging league leadership to address expansion and a network at the same time.
And although the OU president is the only person campaigning publicly for his proposals, his athletic director said Boren isn’t mentioning anything he hasn’t already run by the rest of the league.
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/c...HN-issue-Big-12-might-need-to-get-6762279.php
WVU was invited and preparing for the official invite "ceremony" when Louisville came into the picture and tried to stop WVUs invitation and have it switched to Louisville.
They should have added both schools at the same time but some didn't want 12 members and a CCG and others were probably happy to have both UT and OU on the schedule every year--a problem that still exists.
Latest posts
-
GAME THREAD Weekend Baseball Series Thread - WVU vs Queens- Latest: bobhertzel'ssweatpants
-
-
