Oklahoma is a disgrace. That was a pathetic performance the way they got owned on there home field. I expected Ohio State to win and am not surprised by the ease in which they did but the fact that they returned very few starters shows the gap between the two programs. I am not sure why stoops picked Baker mayfield over Trevor knight. Knight is much Better. Every time mayfield has gone against a team with equal or better talent he gets exposed.
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Stoops...walking the tightrope yet again...top flight talent and questionable decisions....
Knight better than Mayfield??
Did you watch Trevor Knight play at OU? He had one great game against Alabama, other than that he was terrible.
Did you watch Trevor Knight play at OU? He had one great game against Alabama, other than that he was terrible.
When OKlahoma lost 2 starting NFL wRs and a 3rd that's on a team from last season & 2 Olineman, there's gonna be a drop off. Especially EARLY in the season. Mayfield ain't that great but he had NFL WRs and that helps out a qb
Knight's one great game against Alabama is better than any game that Mayfield has ever won. Like i said when Oklahoma goes against teams with equal or better talent he gets exposed. Mayfield = Bumfield. I can see why Texas tech kicked that bum to the curb. Knight seems to be getting the job done for AM.
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Ohio state lost allot more than Oklahoma did. Ohio state is a contender Oklahoma is a pretender. Ohio state isn't depending on some cast off from Texas tech to start at QB.
I went to the ASU vs Texas tech game and saw Patrick Mahomes play I can understand why mayfield left Texas tech. Mahomes is a pro prospect not sure he'll make it in the NFL but i think he'll make an NFL roster. Mayfield reminds me of some of the Miami QB's back in the day when the Hurricanes where on top. He looks good because he play's against teams with lesser talent but when he goes against the Ohio states, Clemson's he looks average at best. Knight's doing more for T&AM then Mayfields Doing for OU.
What doe that say about us then? We haven't beaten a top team OOC nor have we beaten KSU and Oklahoma since joining the Big 12. You need to see the big picture before lashing out.
Where talking about this season You need to read what i wrote before responding. We didn't have any problem beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta bowl when we where members of the Big east. Maybe are problem is we tried to mimic these physically weak big 12 teams.
Personally, I would like to see WV go back to the Big East. At least we beat Oklahoma when we were members of the Big East. Do the math before responding. OK, I'll do it for you. Let's play throwback ball and mimic the physically strong small old Big East teams. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend.
You guys be crazy.
Maybe not being like a Big 12 football team is the best way to be the best team in the Big 12.
I think WVU felt obligated to change once we joined our new conference (hello Dana) while being different, yet talented, might have been the better choice in our quest for success.
I mean....we pretty much play the same style in BBall...right?
Maybe not being like a Big 12 football team is the best way to be the best team in the Big 12.
I think WVU felt obligated to change once we joined our new conference (hello Dana) while being different, yet talented, might have been the better choice in our quest for success.
I mean....we pretty much play the same style in BBall...right?
Look at the historical perspective of the Big 8 / SWC = Big 12 Its always been an overrated middle heavy conference. The gig is up tex the big 12 has been exposed as a fraud. The conference has only had maybe 1-2 good teams historical on average per season. There's a reason they called it the big 2 back in the day. When was the last time the big 12 had a winning bowl record? when was the last time a Big 12 team played for a national championship? When was the last time the outright Big 12 champion won its bowl game? Look at some of the embarrassing losses this conference has produced in the last ten years. Do you're research before respond.
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I think the air raid is a joke. I think we would be much better doing something different than the rest of the conference. Its not like air raid teams win or play for national championships. The most dominant teams the Big 8 / SWC = 12 teams have had where the Nebraska teams in the 90's and they where predicated on a power running game. When you collectively struggle as a conference in ooc games like the Big 12 has for the last 5 years maybe its indication that you're football philosophy isn't working.
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You are the most Anti-Big XII Mountaineer fan I've seen. Not saying your opinion is right or wrong but you have absolutely nothing positive to say regarding The Big XII conference.
The Big East is gone, WVU had next to no options. ACC or SEC were never going to invite or accept West Virginia into their conferences.
Im not a air raid fan either but if you look at the Mountaineer offense. It's not a true all out air raid styled offence. It's a spread style offense more then anything else.
2016 WVU Run/Pass ratio:
Run 57% of the time
Pass 43% of the time
Perhaps you should do a little research as well.
WTF?? Yes, let's go from $30 million per year to $6 million per year in media revenues. That makes perfect sense. What planet are we on anyway?
A large run of average QB's? Howard is average. But Trickett was playing at a high level before is injury.
There was nothing average about Geno.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
Yeah, the Millard/Childress era was rough & I think Howard is above average, just not elite. But how can you ignore the numbers from Geno & Trickett (before Trick's injury problems)?
Childress only played in two games, right? Hardly a large enough sample to make a real judgement and I dont think Mallard was ever meant to be anything more than a back-up.
IMO, Howard is an average QB that plays up and is competitive.
Trickett was in the middle of a great season until his injury. Feels like Howards been around for longer than he should have.
We've definitely had many QB's that never played or developed, but I assume most programs are like that..
Probably not on Childress, but I'll never forget that Maryland game. Perhaps one of the top 10 worst performances in WVU history. I get it that he was hurt, but man that was rough.
It was.
I really felt Dana should have taken him out, just for his own confidence moving forward.
Two tough games against Houston and Ohio State . . . down goes the Schooner.
Not really sure what defines a good conference or not. If a conference like the American conference has one good team like Houston that is a national championship contender does that make them a good conference? If a conference has a bunch of average or better than average teams and no weak teams is that good? The big 10 looks very strong at the top, maybe not so much in the middle and lower tier is that good? Im not gonna sugarcoat the big 12's performance to date its clear that its not a stellar year for the conference. The reason I brought this up I Remember a conversation I had with a Kentucky basketball fan telling me that the sec was the best conference in college basketball. I called him out on it and he told me Kentucky won the national championship this year (1996). The whole basis of his argument was based on one team and not the collective work of the conference.
The top is the most important part, but you can't just have 1 or 2 teams & that's it. For a 10 team league, you need 1 or 2 elite teams, 3-4 good teams, 1-2 average teams & then your bottom feeders. For a 12 team league, you would stretch that out to 3-4 average teams. And for the 14 team leagues, you would stretch that out to 4-6 average teams.
Right now the Big 12 is hard to gauge. Baylor has played some high school teams, so we don't know anything about them yet. Without seeing more games from Mizzou, I'm not sure what WVU has just yet. I would say we are definitely above average at this point, but I definitely wouldn't put us in the elite status. Oklahoma has played 2 really good teams, so I wouldn't call them average just yet. Texas has no defense, so I'm not sure if they are good or perhaps average. Kansas State is a typical old man river team. Tough as nails & won't back down from anyone. Far from elite though.
TCU is above average, but their defense keeps them out of elite status. Oklahoma State is probably above average, but that loss to CMU is going to hurt their reputation. Texas Tech is outrageous on offense & just offensive on defense. I'd say they are the textbook definition of average, but could beat just about anyone in the league on any given day. Then you have your bottom feeders in ISU & Kansas.
So I would say that the Big 12 is a step below the other power 5 leagues, mainly because there are no elite teams. That is the difference between the Big 12 & the rest of the conferences. The ACC has Clemson & Louisville. The SEC has Alabama. The Big Ten has Ohio State & maybe Michigan. The PAC 12 has Stanford. The Big 12 doesn't have any elite teams. Mostly a bunch of good & average teams with 2 bottom feeders.
The reason for the pass/Run ratio is because DH doesn't have a QB capable of effectively running the air raid. If This Grier is the real deal the Air raid will be back in its entirety. Since Geno left a healthy Clint tricket was the only QB that has started a game at wvu who is even close to being above average. Everyone else has been average at best. If you don't believe that then maybe you should do some research about how the other QB's performed against real competition not the OOC scrub games.
The only good thing about being in the big 12 is the paycheck. The league is dysfunctional it always has been and it always will be, However long that may be. yes its better than the big east but its fate will probably be the same in the end. Allot of people are unhappy about the choice for president this year. Just be glad that you have these choices. Imagine if the choices where the people running the Big 12 then we'd really be screwed.
I don't have to research anything as I didn't make any outrageous claims. You basically said this is an air raid offense & it's been terrible. Wouldn't an air raid offense consist of mostly throwing the ball? It has been proven that is not the case. Your reasons for running the ball are nothing but speculation unless you are being paid by WVU to coach the team.
Holgorson comes from the mummy leach blood line if he has the QB to air it out that's what he's gonna do. No more outrageous of a claim than stating the Big 12 has good and average teams. You're right Baylor has played nothing but high school teams but im not sure when there gonna play someone who isn't.
Crest below average, Chug is average for a RS Fr (limited sample size), Ford Childress was average at best. Howard is average.
Sprinkle in 2/3 of one season of very good Trickett ( out of 4 non-Geno seasons) and I have a hard time not calling that a large run of average QBs.
That's not an outrageous claim. Oklahoma is not average. They just faced 2 teams that are better than them. They have too much talent to be average. TCU is not average because they lost to Arkansas. Oklahoma State is not average, even though that CMU loss was a bad one (there are a lot of good teams in the past 40 years that have lost to average teams - it happens). There are good teams in the Big 12. There just aren't any great teams.
Nope, you're wrong. Dana was brought in to destroy the Big East with his system. He did just that his first year. Pure happenstance that we ended up in the Big 12, where he mostly plied his trade.
On a national stage those teams are indeed average this year. WVU should have a better than average change of winning the Big 12.
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