Oklahoma update

[Buckaineer]

excerpt:

Oklahoma released statements from president David Boren and Max Weitzenhoffer, the chairman of OU's board of regents, Monday evening.

Boren reiterated his willingness to Big 12 expansion while Weitzenhoffer voiced his support for Boren. Earlier on Monday, Weitzenhoffer expressed trepidation to expanding the conference and said other board members feel the same way.

“I first want to make it clear that I have complete confidence in the leadership of the University of Oklahoma," Weitzenhoffer's statement said. "President Boren has proven to be a visionary and effective leader of the university. I am confident that our President will lead the university in the right direction on matters related to the Big 12 Conference. He has and will continue to have my full support.”

Added Boren: “I remain firmly committed to my belief that we should all work together to make the Big 12 Conference even stronger through holistic reform that allows for possible expansion and the creation of a Big 12 network.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ts-objects-to-big-12-expansion-172612122.html

 

[Orlaco]

Cool... ...so the conference isn't doomed?

I'll check back tomorrow.

 

[Buckaineer]

Doesn't change anything. Texas is determined to stop this. OU just reeled in a rogue voice.

Lyons reports that the members are not yet in agreement for anything. and it should be 90 to 180 days before they will make a decision. Today is just the tip of the iceburg, as those outside are determined to stop the BIG 12 from saving itself and are trying to get BIG 12 teams into their conferences. WVUs leaders are obviously not thrilled with the progress as Lyons said he will call a special meeting in the summer to get decisions. He and Gee know how serious this is for WVU while you clown around.

 

[Orlaco]

While I clown around ? Classic.

I guess (know really) you think you're making an impact. ...also another forum classic.

 

[Buckaineer]

While I clown around ? Classic.

I guess (know really) you think you're making an impact. ...also another forum classic.

I may make a small impact--but its a positive one. You?

There are people all over the internet bashing WVU and its conference and trying to rip it up which will be bad for WVU. Those peoples influence made it all the way up the ladder to OU's BOG who tried to stop the improvements WVU's president and AD are working hard to accomplish. Meanwhile you clown around and help those trying to ruin WVU and pretend it has no effect--but it does. Every little bit adds up over time--and the other side has aLOT of little bits trying to send WVU to the mid majors while you do nothing but help them.

 

[skygusty]

Meanwhile Gee is positioning himself for the future by grabbing his ankles. I'm gonna go sit with the clowns instead of the evangelicals while they make up their minds. Lots more fun.

 

[Orlaco]

You keep changing your 'influence' (posts) depending on quotes obtained from the Internet and I'm the problem?

You're all over the place and flop more than a recently hooked fish.

 

[Buckaineer]

Sit away and clown -its what you do best. let others do the fighting for WVUs athletics future. Its easier that way after all isn't it. Just bury your head in the sand and everything will be great when you pull it out eventually--if you ever do!

 

[Buckaineer]

You keep changing your 'influence' (posts) depending on quotes obtained from the Internet and I'm the problem?

You're all over the place and flop more than a recently hooked fish.

You are in the same place as usual--trolling and helping others ruin WVU athletics

 

[Orlaco]

You are in the same place as usual--trolling and helping others ruin WVU athletics

Yea... ....I'm standing outside of Mountaineer Field with a sledgehammer in my right hand as I type this post with my right.

Meanwhile, you've recently been posting doom and gloom posts about the Big 12. ....obviously that's great for our school. You're really an online hero to all Eers fans.

....no doubt recruits reading your posts are impacted. Congrats.

 

[Buckaineer]

No you've just bashed anyone and everyone that wants to do anything proactive for the conference. A recruit may not read a message board but he'll see the news articles when Oklahoma's BOG bashes the changes the conference is trying to implement. You sit back and mock me or participate in others bashing WVU and the BIG 12 or add to it with your scorn of any school that might be added--and eventually that message gets to the decision makers and adds to the chorus from those in other conferences trying to send WVU into the stone ages.

But by all means clown on-its all you are good at. Nothing matters. You have no influence and nothing will happen. Just keep being the @$$ you are.

 

[Orlaco]

Someone is upset because he can't have a discussion without linking to quotes from other people.

...sick..but fun to watch.

 

[Buckaineer]

Clown on. If you think you and clowns like you upset me dream on. I'm upset because I see what's coming down the road for the athletics program I root for.

At least I tried--what the f did you do? Clown for the opposition. Bet you are proud of yourself.

 

[Orlaco]

Tried what...?

Persuading recruits to decide (after reading an Internet forum) that choosing a school other than WVU was the best option because the end is near?

Yea...you're a real hero. ....and while I'm being sarcastic your posts make it look like that's exactly what you think you could be....

 

[MichiganHerd]

Oklahoma & Kansas to the Big Ten.

 

[Buckaineer]

Tried what...?

Persuading recruits to decide (after reading an Internet forum) that choosing a school other than WVU was the best option because the end is near?

Yea...you're a real hero. ....and while I'm being sarcastic your posts make it look like that's exactly what you think you could be....

In your efforts to ceaselessly bash me, you probably didn't notice that their are people bashing WVU left and right. Even on WVU boards. All I've done is tried to correct the misinformation and not let their endless negativity run rampant which is hurting things I care about.

Its great to pretend nothing matters, but when others are spending 24/7 on a board that has nothing to do with them and talking trash about WVU and the conference WVU is in--that has an effect over time all the way up to the leadership that makes decisions. People post b.s. in social media, next thing a hack writer gets involved from a reputable site and that misinformation and lies become fact and are spread all over the internet. Day after day after day that goes on and next thing you know the BOR chair at OU is bashing the attempts of the president of his university to ensure the survival of the conference.

I don't care if you think that happens or not--but even if it didn't I'm glad I didn't sit on my @$$ and do nothing while people are trashing the things I care about. Or worse, attacking people trying to do something about it like you do.

 

[Buckaineer]

Oklahoma & Kansas to the Big Ten.

That would be my guess, but its also possible that OU goes with OSU to the SEC.

If Boren can't steer his own ship back on course then expect to be hearing lots about that in 2023.

 

[Rootmaster]

I find it interesting that folks continually bring up Kansas to the Big 10 with their lack of football success but turn around and trash any school floated to join the Big 12 as not on the same level or terrible in the money sport football. Myself, I am still hoping for a Big 12 expansion and the conference to continue...although that gets harder day by day it seems.[WVU]

 

[MichiganHerd]

I've read where conferences want Kansas due to their basketball prowess, particularly the SEC who needs a boast in that aspect of sports. Big Ten would likely prefer Notre Dame over Kansas, but that ship doesn't seem like it will ever sail. Not to mention, ND has dicked a couple Big Ten schools in recent years, canceling football series, so they might not have the support these days.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Lmao get over yourselves guys. Nothing you are posting on this free MMB is impacting anything regarding Big 12 expansion. You act like high rolling executives are on pins and needles awaiting your input.

 

[Buckaineer]

I find it interesting that folks continually bring up Kansas to the Big 10 with their lack of football success but turn around and trash any school floated to join the Big 12 as not on the same level or terrible in the money sport football. Myself, I am still hoping for a Big 12 expansion and the conference to continue...although that gets harder day by day it seems.[WVU]

Several reasons.

The Big Ten wants a contiguous conference. All border states to other Big Ten schools. Kansas gives them that and connects them gradually to the "real" targets. Obviously if they can land OU they can also try to land Texas which the Big Ten or anyone would love. Kansas provides a link.

The Big Ten will only accept AAU schools unless they are very high profile schools like ND (or OU presumably)
Kansas is in the AAU.

The Big Ten likes new markets for their BTN. Kansas isn't huge, but it adds to the BTN-especially the Kansas City, MO market. Its the market of KU much like Pittsburgh for WVU--but even closer.

Basketball--the Big Ten is always getting itself into the championship consideration for everything and Kansas is going to help them there in basketball.

Since KU was going to be left out before--probably joining the Big East, they probably aren't as likely to go elsewhere as some think, but the above reasons give them a better shot that some.

 

[Buckaineer]

Lmao get over yourselves guys. Nothing you are posting on this free MMB is impacting anything regarding Big 12 expansion. You act like high rolling executives are on pins and needles awaiting your input.

Does it have to impact something for WVU to talk about WVUs future and its conferences future? Why does that bother you so much?

 

[topdecktiger]

In your efforts to ceaselessly bash me, you probably didn't notice that their are people bashing WVU left and right. Even on WVU boards. All I've done is tried to correct the misinformation and not let their endless negativity run rampant which is hurting things I care about.

Its great to pretend nothing matters, but when others are spending 24/7 on a board that has nothing to do with them and talking trash about WVU and the conference WVU is in--that has an effect over time all the way up to the leadership that makes decisions. People post b.s. in social media, next thing a hack writer gets involved from a reputable site and that misinformation and lies become fact and are spread all over the internet. Day after day after day that goes on and next thing you know the BOR chair at OU is bashing the attempts of the president of his university to ensure the survival of the conference.

I don't care if you think that happens or not--but even if it didn't I'm glad I didn't sit on my @$$ and do nothing while people are trashing the things I care about. Or worse, attacking people trying to do something about it like you do.

Nobody is bashing West Virginia. You set up a false dichotomy, where it either, "Agree with me," or, "You're bashing the Big 12/West Virginia." You know, it is possible for someone to simply have a different opinion. For example, you aren't considering the fact that maybe Max Weitzenhoffer simply thinks expansion is not good for the Big 12. It's not a 100% certainty that expansion would actually be helpful. There have been several instances where TV professionals or Big 12 officials have expressed doubt as to whether expansion would bring in significant revenue. Just as you think expansion would be great, people like Weitzenhoffer simply may not think it's beneficial. That's not "bashing."

 

[Darth_VadEER]

No you've just bashed anyone and everyone that wants to do anything proactive for the conference. A recruit may not read a message board but he'll see the news articles when Oklahoma's BOG bashes the changes the conference is trying to implement. You sit back and mock me or participate in others bashing WVU and the BIG 12 or add to it with your scorn of any school that might be added--and eventually that message gets to the decision makers and adds to the chorus from those in other conferences trying to send WVU into the stone ages.

But by all means clown on-its all you are good at. Nothing matters. You have no influence and nothing will happen. Just keep being the @$$ you are.

You have no influence either. All you do is link articles from the internet someone else wrote.

Are you losing your mind or something? You seem to be going off the deep end.

 

[Buckaineer]

You have no influence either. All you do is link articles from the internet someone else wrote.

Are you losing your mind or something? You seem to be going off the deep end.

Yeah, well for someone that has "no influence" there sure are alot of people trying to shut me up and keep others from reading anything I write.

Worry about yourself --a person that has no independent thought and adds nothing to any conversation.
You are trying to attack my "ego"--are you insane? You and your ego seem to think you can tell others what to think and what to do. Look in the mirror and worry about yourself troll.

 

[Buckaineer]

Nobody is bashing West Virginia. You set up a false dichotomy, where it either, "Agree with me," or, "You're bashing the Big 12/West Virginia." You know, it is possible for someone to simply have a different opinion. For example, you aren't considering the fact that maybe Max Weitzenhoffer simply thinks expansion is not good for the Big 12. It's not a 100% certainty that expansion would actually be helpful. There have been several instances where TV professionals or Big 12 officials have expressed doubt as to whether expansion would bring in significant revenue. Just as you think expansion would be great, people like Weitzenhoffer simply may not think it's beneficial. That's not "bashing."

Yeah right. And like clockwork the non BIG 12 poster always with little digs at the BIG 12 and WVU shows up.
Why are you here again and what part of this conversation involves you?

 

[topdecktiger]

Yeah, well for someone that has "no influence" there sure are alot of people trying to shut me up and keep others from reading anything I write.

Worry about yourself --a person that has no independent thought and adds nothing to any conversation.
You are trying to attack my "ego"--are you insane? You and your ego seem to think you can tell others what to think and what to do. Look in the mirror and worry about yourself troll.

Nobody is trying to shut you up. Again, this is not an either/or. You have said yourself several times that this is a forum for discussion. Well, discussion means that some people will have different opinions. What it really is, you just don't want anyone to question anything you say.

Yeah right. And like clockwork the non BIG 12 poster always with little digs at the BIG 12 and WVU shows up.
Why are you here again and what part of this conversation involves you?

No, nothing I said was a dig at West Virginia or the Big 12.

I don't have to answer to you why I'm here. It's a free board and I can post on here as I please. There is no rule that says a poster has to be "involved" to make a comment.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Yeah, well for someone that has "no influence" there sure are alot of people trying to shut me up and keep others from reading anything I write.

Worry about yourself --a person that has no independent thought and adds nothing to any conversation.
You are trying to attack my "ego"--are you insane? You and your ego seem to think you can tell others what to think and what to do. Look in the mirror and worry about yourself troll.

People are trying to shut you up because you are annoying and all you do is spam this board with spastic and redundant posts. You don't write anything, you just link articles other people have written.

If you want to be taken seriously, write something and stick your name to it.

I could set up a Google Alert for "B12 Expansion" tomorrow and that would give me the same "influence" you have in this discussion. Maybe another 10,000 posts on the topic and Boren will let you massage his shoulders.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Wow. I mean ... just wow.

 

[Orlaco]

Wow. I mean ... just wow.

Interesting... ...the first time I've seen you basically speechless.

Sometimes good things do come from uncomfortable situations.

 

[Buckaineer]

Yes, WOW. Some people actually believe sitting on your ass and doing nothing while others spend 24/7 trashing your school and conference is better than trying. Because all that social media could never possibly ever influence anything in the little world some live in. Except of course it has and does.

Explains alot.

 

[Boomboom521]

In your efforts to ceaselessly bash me, you probably didn't notice that their are people bashing WVU left and right. Even on WVU boards. All I've done is tried to correct the misinformation and not let their endless negativity run rampant which is hurting things I care about.

Its great to pretend nothing matters, but when others are spending 24/7 on a board that has nothing to do with them and talking trash about WVU and the conference WVU is in--that has an effect over time all the way up to the leadership that makes decisions. People post b.s. in social media, next thing a hack writer gets involved from a reputable site and that misinformation and lies become fact and are spread all over the internet. Day after day after day that goes on and next thing you know the BOR chair at OU is bashing the attempts of the president of his university to ensure the survival of the conference.

I don't care if you think that happens or not--but even if it didn't I'm glad I didn't sit on my @$$ and do nothing while people are trashing the things I care about. Or worse, attacking people trying to do something about it like you do.

You think WAY TO HIGHLY of yourself, and the impact of this forum on any actual decision maker close to WVU athletics.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Yes, WOW. Some people actually believe sitting on your ass and doing nothing while others spend 24/7 trashing your school and conference is better than trying. Because all that social media could never possibly ever influence anything in the little world some live in. Except of course it has and does.

Explains alot.

If you choose to make linking online articles to message boards your life's work, you're free to do so but most folks realize that would be an inefficient use of their time. Internet trash talk is what it is and your crusade to somehow win a never-ending argument is admirable but ultimately foolish. I guess misery loves company and that's why you're trying to enlist the efforts of companions on your quest that will lead you nowhere with nothing to show for your labor.

 

[Buckaineer]

You think WAY TO HIGHLY of yourself, and the impact of this forum on any actual decision maker close to WVU athletics.

You think too lowly of yourself and others. Don't kid yourself, social media is used to influence people all the time:

Schools and probably conferences have hired people to get on message boards and influence thought.

excerpt:
Maryland hired a PR team to spin positive feelings about its B1G move
Last November, when the University of Maryland announced it was jumping from the ACC to the B1G in a move that left us all baffled, the higher ups at the university correctly predicted that decision would not go over well. After 60 years in the ACC, you're bailing on Duke to play Northwestern in basketball? WHAT?


They went as far as to hire a PR firm to leave comments on blogs, newspapers, and message boards to shape a more positive narrative about Maryland's move to the Big Ten. Via the Baltimore Sun:

Texas just caught an A&M fan getting on social media pretending to be a Texas fan and spreading hate messages to UT recruits to chase them off:

User On University Of Texas Online Forum, ShaggyTexas, Exposes Texas A&M Fan For Making Multiple Racist Twitter Accounts Posing As "Texas Fans" And Then Tweeting At Recruits


Maryland's president and ND's AD have commented on this sort of thing--from the Big Ten going ahead more quickly to add the Terrapins to ND backing off publicly that it was joining the BIG 12--

excerpt:
from Washington Post Nov. 26, 2012
U-Md. president: Big Ten move deliberate
Loh said neither he nor the Big Ten ever imposed a deadline, but as information began to leak out about a possible deal in mid-November, he and Big Ten officials decided it was best to forge ahead quickly.


“I believe this is a once-in-a-generation opportunity,” Loh said. “If we don’t join now, I don’t think Maryland will ever join in my lifetime.”

and this:
Notre Dame shoots down Big 12 rumor

But, no, the Irish will not shift allegiance of other sports to the Big 12 soon, as a report contended could occur by the end of summer.

"I saw that and I thought (Bob) Bowlsby and I should hold hands up there," Swarbrick joked, alluding to the incoming Big 12 commissioner. "I have no idea what prompted that. It is not based on any discussion, any meeting we have done."


So no, I'm not crazy, I'm not thinking too much of myself or any of the other bunk people try to say about me. I come and see people badmouthing WVU or the BIG 12 with lies and I discuss it. I present facts and articles for discussion. That is what message boards are for. You should ask yourself however. If people really believe that what I'm saying has no impact--why do so many hate me, spew vitriol nonstop when I present information that is verifiable, and try to keep everyone from talking with me or reading anything I say? Why is something that has no influence so threatening to these posters--who you do not know and also don't know why they are here?

Also, ask yourself why there are people flooding every BIG 12 board they can get on--from other schools, some pretending to be from BIG 12 schools, and all they do 24/7 is talk trash about the BIG 12, its schools, leaders, schools that want to join, etc. Why would they do that if THEY didn't think they had influence?

I'm not going to apologize or back down from what is right because some want to silence me. If what I say gets to the president of WVU or OU or the commissioner of the BIG 12 great! But that has nothing to do with me--and it doesn't mean I'm going to let others come to boards for the school I support or the conference I support, trash it day and night, try to break it up day and night and not correct the lies and misinformation, or have discussions about these things with rational people not out to flood the board with negativity and lies. If you want to sit back and watch people trash WVU and try to tear up the conference that's on you--don't worry about me.

 

[skygusty]

For a while I felt sorry for people so obsessed with the expansion thing. I've decided I'm envious instead. What a great thing it would be if my biggest worry in life was what happens to the BIG12. Way behind worries about my kids, my health, retirement issues, terminal illness in the family, aging brothers and sisters, a dysfunctional political system, whether my money will last, crumbling infrastructure, dodgy economy, clean water, ISIS, all that crap. I come here for a little fun and a little escape from the real world. Kudos to you guys who have nothing more serious to worry about.

 

[Buckaineer]

I've always felt sorry for people whose ego is so large that they think they can tell other people what to think and do, and instead of discussing anything or having postive input or really any rational input on anything, spend their time 24/7 trolling others and trying to stop them from discussing things on message boards that are--of course-for discussion.

Worry about yourselves. Stop trying to control the board.

 

[skygusty]

I've always felt sorry for people whose ego is so large that they think they can tell other people what to think and do, and instead of discussing anything or having postive input or really any rational input on anything, spend their time 24/7 trolling others and trying to stop them from discussing things on a message board that are--of course-for discussion.

Worry about yourselves. Stop trying to control the board.

Mickey Furfari always misused the word IRONIC. He could have used your post as an illustration of what the word means. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Buckaineer]

Mickey Furfari always misused the word IRONIC. He could have used your post as an illustration of what the word means. You can't make this stuff up.

You are truly a sad individual. Nothing to do but troll me all day. Not a thought in your head. Pitiful.

 

[skygusty]

Jeez, that wasn't nice. I'm one of the few people that will still talk to you.

 

[topdecktiger]

I've always felt sorry for people whose ego is so large that they think they can tell other people what to think and do, and instead of discussing anything or having postive input or really any rational input on anything, spend their time 24/7 trolling others and trying to stop them from discussing things on message boards that are--of course-for discussion.

Worry about yourselves. Stop trying to control the board.

You aren't having a discussion. If anybody brings up a legitimate point, you claim they are "attacking" you, or being "negative." News flash, you are no 100% correct on everything. Some people who have differing points of view are sometimes right. You are actually the one trying to control the board. You've just gone way off the deep end with this whole expansion thing.