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I don't know how we can keep up with this NIL arms race. Do schools like WVU, East Carolina, Iowa State, Southern Miss - form their own non-NIL league... and we just admit we can't compete in the future with OhSt, USC, Texas, Ala., etc.?
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Ohio State coach Ryan Day puts a number on NIL cost, says Buckeyes need $13 million to keep roster intact

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Ohio State coach Ryan Day puts a number on NIL cost, says Buckeyes need $13 million to keep roster intact

The Buckeyes see the need for an influx of cash to keep up with college football's top teams
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Ohio's State needs 13 million? The NCAA has no say in this now. Unless the SEC and Big 10 make a definitive move to fix this, college football is screwed.
This can still be fixed. The elites will be less excited when there are only 30 teams in the club and only 3-4 teams that will be able to realistically win it all.
 
This could have been fixed IF ... the NCAA didn't let it get out of hand by closing their eyes to everything. How does NIL get interpreted into paying every player. Players are now employees.

Top teams [interpreted --- Rich] will dominate. Fans will stop watching just like they did MLB. Out of control spending will have a net negative effect on viewers.
 
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Butler-eer said:
This could have been fixed IF ... the NCAA didn't let it get out of hand by closing their eyes to everything. How does NIL get interpreted into paying every player. Players are now employees.

Top teams [interpreted --- Rich] will dominate. Fans will stop watching just like they did MLB. Out of control spending will have a net negative effect on viewers.
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I think this is spot-on. The 2 dozen or so elite schools imagine hoarding all the spoils for themselves. But if 75% of universities become competitively irrelevant, I have to think this will cause a huge drop in interest of university athletics - thus, shrinking the total viewership that the Alabama/ Ohio St/ Texas types are counting on to collect big playoff paydays.
I think the elite universities are counting on the NFL model to work for them... where everyone in U.S. chooses 1 of 30 teams to follow. Someone in Wyoming will be a fan of Denver Broncos. Will someone in WV decide to watch the elite league to root for Ohio State - because that is the closest elite team to where they live? I don't think NFL model will work for 25 or 30 elite universities. I think they are killing college sports - and they don't realize it.
-Tim
 
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1duluth1 said:
I think this is spot-on. The 2 dozen or so elite schools imagine hoarding all the spoils for themselves. But if 75% of universities become competitively irrelevant, I have to think this will cause a huge drop in interest of university athletics - thus, shrinking the total viewership that the Alabama/ Ohio St/ Texas types are counting on to collect big playoff paydays.
I think the elite universities are counting on the NFL model to work for them... where everyone in U.S. chooses 1 of 30 teams to follow. Someone in Wyoming will be a fan of Denver Broncos. Will someone in WV decide to watch the elite league to root for Ohio State - because that is the closest elite team to where they live? I don't think NFL model will work for 25 or 30 elite universities. I think they are killing college sports - and they don't realize it.
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They believe it but they're too woke to fix it.
 
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13 million to not win a championship?

Seems like a waste.

Do they still get free tats at Ohio State? That could be the deciding factor.
 
Too late to turn back now. NIL is here to stay. NCAA needs to set a salary scale for players and have them pay their own way through school.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Too late to turn back now. NIL is here to stay. NCAA needs to set a salary scale for players and have them pay their own way through school.
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Salary scale would never survive legal challenges...and cheating. The NCAA let the demon out of the cave and this will leave schools with three choices...1. Waste millions each year chasing the impossible...2. Settle for forever cannon fodder status...3. De-emphasize sports and embrace D3 model.
 
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Just let it fail! People will lose interest when their team had no hope at all! And it will collapse! Then the money will be invested in schools appropriately and not wasted on being the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA! At this point ten schools have a chance and that number will get smaller! Alabama for instance will not be able to compete with USC, or some of the other schools with billionaire boosters! Saban will quit and they will become irrelevant again!

until some of the really big boys go down, nothing will change at all! So let it fall!
 
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wilmingtoneer said:
Just let it fail! People will lose interest when their team had no hope at all! And it will collapse! Then the money will be invested in schools appropriately and not wasted on being the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA! At this point ten schools have a chance and that number will get smaller! Alabama for instance will not be able to compete with USC, or some of the other schools with billionaire boosters! Saban will quit and they will become irrelevant again!

until some of the really big boys go down, nothing will change at all! So let it fall!
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Don't know if it will ever collapse. Interest will wain. May go the way of MLB.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Salary scale would never survive legal challenges...and cheating. The NCAA let the demon out of the cave and this will leave schools with three choices...1. Waste millions each year chasing the impossible...2. Settle for forever cannon fodder status...3. De-emphasize sports and embrace D3 model.
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If schools paid the salaries it would. NIL is something completely different. At least it's suppose to be.
 
wilmingtoneer said:
Just let it fail! People will lose interest when their team had no hope at all! And it will collapse! Then the money will be invested in schools appropriately and not wasted on being the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA! At this point ten schools have a chance and that number will get smaller! Alabama for instance will not be able to compete with USC, or some of the other schools with billionaire boosters! Saban will quit and they will become irrelevant again!

until some of the really big boys go down, nothing will change at all! So let it fall!
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Saban is 70. He will retire long before it goes completely under.
 
Tom Brady gets a paycheck from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to play football. That is his salary to play football. Hertz car rental paid him for doing commercials last year to advertise their car rental service. That is NIL.

The University of French Creek aka “The Freddie’s” pays players to play football. That would be a salary. Hillbilly Hotdogs pays their star quarterback Bubba Joe Johnson to advertise the Home-wrecker Hotdog on billboards and radio commercials. That is NIL.

Paying players a salary to play, so schools get back control of who they sign and recruit is coming real soon.

Any questions?
 
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westsiderSJHS77 said:
Tom Brady gets a paycheck from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to play football. That is his salary to play football. Hertz car rental paid him for doing commercials last year to advertise their car rental service. That is NIL.

The University of French Creek aka “The Freddie’s” pays players to play football. That would be a salary. Hillbilly Hotdogs pays their star quarterback Bubba Joe Johnson to advertise the Home-wrecker Hotdog on billboards and radio commercials. That is NIL.

Paying players a salary to play, so schools get back control of who they sign and recruit is coming real soon.

Any questions?
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Wow you do know that Brady is a professional don't you? If you don't k now the difference between a pro and a student athlete then you...and folks like you... are the cause of this shttt storm.
 
Rootmaster said:
Wow you do know that Brady is a professional don't you? If you don't k now the difference between a pro and a student athlete then you...and folks like you... are the cause of this shttt storm.
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This is where they are heading. At this moment, schools do not have any control of the money. Putting them on payroll is the only way they can take back control of the recruiting process. Boosters running around throwing money on players and dictating who should start based on the boosters wallet is no way of running a program.

The day of student athletes are over. Welcome to WokeWorld!
 
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The colleges just need to collectively agree to regulate the process to benefit all of college sports going forward.

Example, all college football teams agree to adhere to a player roster of 85 players. Without such an agreement some schools could maintain a roster of 150 players.

Just look to how the NFL regulates their business model.

Two examples: When an NFL Coach signs a contact to coach for say 5 years, no other NFL Team can enter contact negotiations with that coach until the contract has expired. That is why you don't have NFL coaches leaving for another NFL team every 1 or 2 years (they can be terminated for poor performance).

Salary Caps which every NFL Team must abide by.

Without such agreements in place, I think college sports interest will decrease (TV viewership) which will hurt even the big boys. NIL caps?

Reduced college viewership will probably just increase NFL viewership.

We will all have to wait to see how this all plays out going forward.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
Panthergrowl13 said:
The colleges just need to collectively agree to regulate the process to benefit all of college sports going forward.

Example, all college football teams agree to adhere to a player roster of 85 players. Without such an agreement some schools could maintain a roster of 150 players.

Just look to how the NFL regulates their business model.

Two examples: When an NFL Coach signs a contact to coach for say 5 years, no other NFL Team can enter contact negotiations with that coach until the contract has expired. That is why you don't have NFL coaches leaving for another NFL team every 1 or 2 years (they can be terminated for poor performance).

Salary Caps which every NFL Team must abide by.

Without such agreements in place, I think college sports interest will decrease (TV viewership) which will hurt even the big boys. NIL caps?

Reduced college viewership will probably just increase NFL viewership.

We will all have to wait to see how this all plays out going forward.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Pitt has been cheating for a century and still can't win. Move along shit boy.
 
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Panthergrowl13 said:
The colleges just need to collectively agree to regulate the process to benefit all of college sports going forward.

Example, all college football teams agree to adhere to a player roster of 85 players. Without such an agreement some schools could maintain a roster of 150 players.

Just look to how the NFL regulates their business model.

Two examples: When an NFL Coach signs a contact to coach for say 5 years, no other NFL Team can enter contact negotiations with that coach until the contract has expired. That is why you don't have NFL coaches leaving for another NFL team every 1 or 2 years (they can be terminated for poor performance).

Salary Caps which every NFL Team must abide by.

Without such agreements in place, I think college sports interest will decrease (TV viewership) which will hurt even the big boys. NIL caps?

Reduced college viewership will probably just increase NFL viewership.

We will all have to wait to see how this all plays out going forward.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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Good post. Unlike some of the semi illiterate Slag Hollow types on this forum...think Allen...I, and others, appreciate a good post from anyone. However...go Mountaineers!
 
College football generated 1.16 Billion last year.

The system is failing because these kids on the teams are earning less than 2% of revenue generated off of them collectively?
 
VaultHunter said:
College football generated 1.16 Billion last year.

The system is failing because these kids on the teams are earning less than 2% of revenue generated off of them collectively?
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What a libtard j-ass. They are not employees. They are students...most in name only. They bear no consequences for any money lost or invested in them either. Free loading ball bouncing pricks who want it all. Hope the day comes that media comes to its senses and cancels contracts...fans stop buying tickets...and schools drop all scholarships. Get back to school sports as a secondary pursuit.
 
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Isn't this what the NCAA is supposed to do? NCAA is the collective body of all schools.

NCAA (all universities) have allowed the student athlete to be turned into paid professionals under the guise of getting an education. If they were serious they would force these athletes to the same academic standards as the rest of the student body. Then and only then would you see many of the top players culled from the system because they were students in name only.
 
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College football generated 1.16 Billion last year.

The system is failing because these kids on the teams are earning less than 2% of revenue generated off of them collectively?
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What a false narrative. You act like that $1.16B is profit. Fact is that almost every University in the country runs their sports programs in the red. You forget that only FB, Men and Women's BB generate any type of substantial income from tickets or media sales. The rest of the programs have ZERO income and still have expenses of upwards of $40k/yr for each athlete ...... plus coaches salaries, staff expenses and a HUGE amount of money put into facilities and upkeep.

Even more disturbing is the vast number of uneducated "fans" that think that this money just grows on trees and need to be "shared" with the student athletes ((( and I use that term in the broadest sense ))) because the universities "make" all that money off the backs of the students. It amazes me how intellectually inept our fans are.
 
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Somehow this "profit" is being kept from these "athletes." They get free room and board, free tuition and fees, free medical care, free books, free clothing, free tutoring. They are getting free coaching, trainers, free PR and we also pay them at the end of the year to stay a student.

Get real, these guys make a lot of money that the normal student does not get and never will. They have already been paid and most likely if you really delve into it, they are making more than their professors are. And now with this NIL stuff, more than their assistant coaches. So let's be real. This is the end of amateur athletics and it should be.

Make the NFL and the NBA form their own minor leagues and let's lower the price of school for the rest of the world. When the normal student does not have to pay athletic fees, facility fees and the like, school will be cheaper and more affordable for the student who actually goes to class, pays their own way and eventually gets out and gets a real job that makes a difference in the world.
 
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Somehow this "profit" is being kept from these "athletes." They get free room and board, free tuition and fees, free medical care, free books, free clothing, free tutoring. They are getting free coaching, trainers, free PR and we also pay them at the end of the year to stay a student.

Get real, these guys make a lot of money that the normal student does not get and never will. They have already been paid and most likely if you really delve into it, they are making more than their professors are. And now with this NIL stuff, more than their assistant coaches. So let's be real. This is the end of amateur athletics and it should be.

Make the NFL and the NBA form their own minor leagues and let's lower the price of school for the rest of the world. When the normal student does not have to pay athletic fees, facility fees and the like, school will be cheaper and more affordable for the student who actually goes to class, pays their own way and eventually gets out and gets a real job that makes a difference in the world.
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I don't like NIL anymore than you. But the things you listed are from the college itself. NIL comes from somewhere else completely. At least it's suppose to be. Since NCAA doesn't monitor NIL then it's hard to tell where it's coming from.
 
I solved this a month ago guys.

The NCAA needs to go away. Bring all the FBS teams out of it. Create a new organization. The NCAA BB Tournament alone is $1B/ yr that could go to the athletes/schools.

Here's how to Fix it:

1) Every player gets paid the minimum wage at base (40 hrs/week).

2) NIL money.would go 1/2 to the specific athlete it's earmarked for and 1/2 to the team which will be equally divided and then added to the "base" for each player. That way every player truly benefits...not just the top 10%.

3) Put a hard cap on how much any one player can get per year and a hard cap on how much any one program can get in a year. Anything above that goes to a a general fund that will go to every team.

4) Taxes get removed by the school so that the kids don't have to figure that out. Just like a paycheck.
 
steeleer said:
I solved this a month ago guys.

The NCAA needs to go away. Bring all the FBS teams out of it. Create a new organization. The NCAA BB Tournament alone is $1B/ yr that could go to the athletes/schools.

Here's how to Fix it:

1) Every player gets paid the minimum wage at base (40 hrs/week).

2) NIL money.would go 1/2 to the specific athlete it's earmarked for and 1/2 to the team which will be equally divided and then added to the "base" for each player. That way every player truly benefits...not just the top 10%.

3) Put a hard cap on how much any one player can get per year and a hard cap on how much any one program can get in a year. Anything above that goes to a a general fund that will go to every team.

4) Taxes get removed by the school so that the kids don't have to figure that out. Just like a paycheck.
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F college sports and ball bouncing pansies...is a better solution.
 
steeleer said:
I solved this a month ago guys.

The NCAA needs to go away. Bring all the FBS teams out of it. Create a new organization. The NCAA BB Tournament alone is $1B/ yr that could go to the athletes/schools.

Here's how to Fix it:

1) Every player gets paid the minimum wage at base (40 hrs/week).

2) NIL money.would go 1/2 to the specific athlete it's earmarked for and 1/2 to the team which will be equally divided and then added to the "base" for each player. That way every player truly benefits...not just the top 10%.

3) Put a hard cap on how much any one player can get per year and a hard cap on how much any one program can get in a year. Anything above that goes to a a general fund that will go to every team.

4) Taxes get removed by the school so that the kids don't have to figure that out. Just like a paycheck.
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That's never happening.
 
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