No one would say TCU has ever had a better roster than WVU
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Uhm, I'll say it.
TCU's roster is better.
They have a high quality Big 12 QB in the thick of the Heisman race and two receivers likely to go high in the draft. West Virginia's best player is done for the year.
Dana may say it too... I'm still a little surprised he called Corey Coleman the best player in the country before he's seen what Josh Doctson can do.
TCU's roster is better.
They have a high quality Big 12 QB in the thick of the Heisman race and two receivers likely to go high in the draft. West Virginia's best player is done for the year.
Dana may say it too... I'm still a little surprised he called Corey Coleman the best player in the country before he's seen what Josh Doctson can do.
I should have said no "WVU fan" would say TCU has ever had a better roster than WVU. So far, here at least, I'm right.
Pay no mind to the Paperboy RedSon...he's the worst resident troll here on this board. Mud slinger who should look in the mirror once in a while...
Rambles on daily about how he has no faith in the QB's on roster currently, yet won't admit to the quality of the Horned Frogs players.
He's just trying to start $hit as usual...laughable.
Rambles on daily about how he has no faith in the QB's on roster currently, yet won't admit to the quality of the Horned Frogs players.
He's just trying to start $hit as usual...laughable.
i disagree. it's the most important part of any cfb team. still, no "WVU fan" has disagreed with me.
So you think trading coaches would make TCU 4-3 and West Virginia 6-0?
You think it was the coach that lost by 20 @ Oklahoma or by... How much was it again?
I think there's good reasons to question whether or not DH has what it takes to be a HC at this level, but not becaise he doesn't get X's and O's. The TCU offense is run by a coach with a very similar coaching background in the Air Raid system.
You think it was the coach that lost by 20 @ Oklahoma or by... How much was it again?
I think there's good reasons to question whether or not DH has what it takes to be a HC at this level, but not becaise he doesn't get X's and O's. The TCU offense is run by a coach with a very similar coaching background in the Air Raid system.
WV is 3-3.
So much more to a successful head coach than x's and o's. I could name lots of coaches that turned programs around in their first years (recently urban, harbaugh), but I'm sure you know many of them.
Surprisingly many of our fans don't seem to understand this.....the great coaches are much more than x and o guys. They can do more with less and when the get more they win championships.
Before it's over Harbaugh is going to go down as one of the legendary coaches along with Urban Meyer.
Let's face it, if it was possible for a team to face it self in a game with the only difference being the QB, Boykin v. Howard is at least a 14 point spread right there. Even if our WRs were equal, the ones with the far superior QB throwing to them will probably be more productive.
I've not seen near as much TCU as I have WVU, but besides QB, I'd say TCU has a better (but not great) OL.
I've not seen near as much TCU as I have WVU, but besides QB, I'd say TCU has a better (but not great) OL.
That's all very interesting and stars and such are a good indicator but far from the final word. Also when you're better at key positions like QB, that's a big advantage. A talented and experienced QB is a difference maker in college. To say that this game comes down to two coaches matching schemes and wits just ignores some personnel advantages that TCU has not to mention home field advantage. There is a reason that TCU is #3 and we're unranked and it goes well beyond coaches.
Obviously coaches play a big role but I was countering the OPs contention that this game is just a match between two coaches who won't play one down.
lol. you're getting to the point which is patterson would not play you at qb.. and if he had to, you would be prepared as much is possible
Paper just for arguments sake...
How long has Patterson been a head coach compared to Dana?
And yes TCU's roster is better than WVU's.
Now if you said nobody can argue that WVU's Rivals recruiting rankings have been better than TCU's you would have something to talk about. But alas any college football fan with half a brain knows that doesn't mean squat and again you fail.
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How long has Patterson been a head coach compared to Dana?
And yes TCU's roster is better than WVU's.
Now if you said nobody can argue that WVU's Rivals recruiting rankings have been better than TCU's you would have something to talk about. But alas any college football fan with half a brain knows that doesn't mean squat and again you fail.
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We will get our asses handed to us again by a former mid-major that we spent the last decade mocking. Everyone on the message boards will tell upset fans to "man up, this is a big boy conference now!" forgetting of course that the likes of OSU, Baylor, TTech,ISU,Kansas, KSU are anything but "big boys".
Not only is the Big 12 two big boys and 8 littler boys, the big boys have each been in relatively down phases since we joined. If we can't even make a legitimate run when neither OU nor UT UT is peaking we have a problem. This was actually a great window for an up and coming program to make a run. TCU and Baylor have taken advantage, but over time Oklahoma and UT will remain the strongest programs.
This bears repeating. Excluding the 2 Big Boys (UT and OU) and the 2 hot programs (Baylor and TCU). Our Big 12 record 2012 to date is is 7-9.
Our problem isn't that the Big Boys overwhelm us. They don't. Our problem is that we are an erratic, inconsistent, undisciplined, mistake-prone program that makes an inordinate number of poor coaching calls during games. We can't even manage .500 against the back half of the league.
Talent deficits are rarely our biggest problems in games we lose. If we lost every time we were at a substantial talent deficit we could still post very good records if we were better coached and won, as we should 2 out of 3 against the bottom 5 in stead of less than 1 out 2.
Our problem isn't that the Big Boys overwhelm us. They don't. Our problem is that we are an erratic, inconsistent, undisciplined, mistake-prone program that makes an inordinate number of poor coaching calls during games. We can't even manage .500 against the back half of the league.
Talent deficits are rarely our biggest problems in games we lose. If we lost every time we were at a substantial talent deficit we could still post very good records if we were better coached and won, as we should 2 out of 3 against the bottom 5 in stead of less than 1 out 2.
One thing that's starting to concern me about your two big boys of Oklahoma and Texas is that our final-score margins against both have gotten worse each season.
WVU v. Sooners = (L by 1, L by 9, L by 12, L by 20)
WVU v. Longhorns = (W by 3, L by 7, L by 17, ___ )
Last season was the worst combined record for the Sooners and Longhorns in 17 years--and yet they both still beat us by double digits. If we couldn't make a move against them then, when will we? Holgorsen needs to take advantage of this Texas team while he has the chance.
Texas and Oklahoma? I agree.
The rest of the league? Baylor does at this moment in time, It didn't in the very recent past. It's 2012 defense was worse than ours and its offense at the very least had less star power.
I don't think any of the other teams have or have had better talent overall (obviously, most have a much better QB now) and I'm praying no one will descend to such depths as to say we have talent the same as Kansas or ISU. Exceeding .500 in the Big 12 does not take more than a slightly above average team. You might need to be excellent to go 9-0 or 8-1, but 5-4 is the definition of mediocrity.
The rest of the league? Baylor does at this moment in time, It didn't in the very recent past. It's 2012 defense was worse than ours and its offense at the very least had less star power.
I don't think any of the other teams have or have had better talent overall (obviously, most have a much better QB now) and I'm praying no one will descend to such depths as to say we have talent the same as Kansas or ISU. Exceeding .500 in the Big 12 does not take more than a slightly above average team. You might need to be excellent to go 9-0 or 8-1, but 5-4 is the definition of mediocrity.
Paper..................................you can't be serious. Do you really believe this game can be boiled down to the coaches. Well.............if you are correct West Virginia wins rather easily. I have seen it stated in print that Dana (spelled with a capital D) is an 'offense genius'. I believe it. Get on board.................son. It is almost game time!
That Josh Doctson kid that just ripped up your secondary was recruited by zero Big 12 teams. How much did he affect your recruit rankings? He looks like a 5 star to me.
BTW, the list of coaches that didn't recruit him even includes his current OC who was a receivers coach at Oklahoma State.
BTW, the list of coaches that didn't recruit him even includes his current OC who was a receivers coach at Oklahoma State.
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