My concerns.

[mountiefan88]

1. WVU never improves as the season progresses. This is a fact. These losing streaks were common in the BE lite under Dana.

2. How many times could WVU sustain a drive but continues to throw bombs on 3rd and four to a receiving corps that is not very good? I mean seriously. Are all the pass patterns beyond 15 yards. There is no logic in the system. The playcalling seems random. No plays to set up other plays. This offense has no chance to produce when they are constantly throwing down the field on 3rd and short.

3. Every year there are seemingly numerous injuries. The strength program needs evaluated.

4. Why can't this program win 8 games a year and play the big boys within 17 points? How often did great Pitt, PSU, and Miami teams blow out Nehlen? Not very often. He got blown out from time to time but not often. Same deal with RR.

 

[wvumountee21]

the Hail Mary on 3rd and short is Holgs' bread and butter.

 

[mountiefan88]

the Hail Mary on 3rd and short is Holgs' bread and butter.

LOL. Yeah. Ok.

 

[vegaseer]

1. WVU never improves as the season progresses. This is a fact. These losing streaks were common in the BE lite under Dana.

2. How many times could WVU sustain a drive but continues to throw bombs on 3rd and four to a receiving corps that is not very good? I mean seriously. Are all the pass patterns beyond 15 yards. There is no logic in the system. The playcalling seems random. No plays to set up other plays. This offense has no chance to produce when they are constantly throwing down the field on 3rd and short.

3. Every year there are seemingly numerous injuries. The strength program needs evaluated.

4. Why can't this program win 8 games a year and play the big boys within 17 points? How often did great Pitt, PSU, and Miami teams blow out Nehlen? Not very often. He got blown out from time to time but not often. Same deal with RR.

1. This is a LEADERSHIP problem starting with the HC.
2. I don't think our HC has shown he can be a great HC and a great OC at the same time.
3. Evaluated, but probably not an overhaul.
4. This also is a LEADERSHIP problem with the HC.

When you hire a great OC and make him HC, there can be a big learning curve dealing with the additional responsibilities. Those with great leadership skills excel, those without either learn, delegate or fail.
I still believe in Holgs. If he can rebound and win 4 of the last 5 games, I give him another chance. If not, I consider promoting Gibby to HC and retain everyone I can except DeFo. Then promote within for OC or hire and up and coming, non-P5, offensive minded HC as our OC.

 

[oceantide83]

We need a coach with a proven track record of getting more out of his unspectacular recruits than other coaches normally would. WVU will always be at a disadvantage in the recruiting department and will rarely be able to field a team that, pound for pound, matches the talent on the teams in the upper tier of the Big 12.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

1. WVU never improves as the season progresses. This is a fact. These losing streaks were common in the BE lite under Dana.

2. How many times could WVU sustain a drive but continues to throw bombs on 3rd and four to a receiving corps that is not very good? I mean seriously. Are all the pass patterns beyond 15 yards. There is no logic in the system. The playcalling seems random. No plays to set up other plays. This offense has no chance to produce when they are constantly throwing down the field on 3rd and short.

3. Every year there are seemingly numerous injuries. The strength program needs evaluated.

4. Why can't this program win 8 games a year and play the big boys within 17 points? How often did great Pitt, PSU, and Miami teams blow out Nehlen? Not very often. He got blown out from time to time but not often. Same deal with RR.

yes, I've been saying a big problem was mike Joseph. We miss mike barwis. Joseph is only there because (as always) he is a native.

Secondly, Nehlen almost always got blown out when facing great teams.

 

[mountiefan88]

yes, I've been saying a big problem was mike Joseph. We miss mike barwis. Joseph is only there because (as always) he is a native.

Secondly, Nehlen almost always got blown out when facing great teams.

His bad to average teams did. Not his good teams. 97 Syracuse a exception

 

[VaultHunter]

Did he actually say Nehlen almost never got blown out by Miami and Penn State?

Did he say against great Pitt teams while Nehlen was here?

My goodness

 

[Boomboom521]

His bad to average teams did. Not his good teams. 97 Syracuse a exception

93 sugar bowl: 63-0 if I remember correctly. NINE STRAIGHT BOWL LOSSES!

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

We need a coach with a proven track record of getting more out of his unspectacular recruits than other coaches normally would. WVU will always be at a disadvantage in the recruiting department and will rarely be able to field a team that, pound for pound, matches the talent on the teams in the upper tier of the Big 12.

The only teams that consistently out recruit us are Texas and Oklahoma. Wvu recruiting is on par with the rest of the conference according to rivals

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

93 sugar bowl: 63-0 if I remember correctly. NINE STRAIGHT BOWL LOSSES!

1993 sugar bowl was 41-7 Florida

 

[Boomboom521]

1993 sugar bowl was 41-7 Florida

Thanks for the correction. I've blocked most of those bowl losses from memory.

 

[Boomboom521]

Thanks for the correction. I've blocked most of those bowl losses from memory.

What was the Fiesta Bowl loss against Notre Dame?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

1993 sugar bowl was 41-7 Florida

yes it was 41-7. Could've easily been 63-7.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

What was the Fiesta Bowl loss against Notre Dame?

34-21 Notre dame

 

[Boomboom521]

34-21 Notre dame

I remember that one worse too. Major got hurt early, maybe I just remember a blowout because of that?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I remember that one worse too. Major got hurt early, maybe I just remember a blowout because of that?

the final score looks closer than it really was. It was a blow out. It was 34-13 at one point. Wvu was overmatched. ND could've ran that score up.

 

[Round Hillbilly]

1. WVU never improves as the season progresses. This is a fact. These losing streaks were common in the BE lite under Dana.

2. How many times could WVU sustain a drive but continues to throw bombs on 3rd and four to a receiving corps that is not very good? I mean seriously. Are all the pass patterns beyond 15 yards. There is no logic in the system. The playcalling seems random. No plays to set up other plays. This offense has no chance to produce when they are constantly throwing down the field on 3rd and short.

3. Every year there are seemingly numerous injuries. The strength program needs evaluated.

4. Why can't this program win 8 games a year and play the big boys within 17 points? How often did great Pitt, PSU, and Miami teams blow out Nehlen? Not very often. He got blown out from time to time but not often. Same deal with RR.

totally agree on all points. also, i don’t care who the coach is, when you have the amount of penalties, mental mistakes, blown coverages, bi-polar offense, being generally unprepared, etc. people have reason to bitch. Ive said many times before, I can take a loss, but the way we play is depressing. and is it too much to ask that we have an enforcer or two step up and rattle someone’s teeth? I knew we’d miss Karl, but dam…

 

[mountiefan88]

the final score looks closer than it really was. It was a blow out. It was 34-13 at one point. Wvu was overmatched. ND could've ran that score up.

WVU was in reality about the 7th best team in the country. Miami,FSU, Nebraska, Michigan, USC, and ND were better.

 

[mountiefan88]

Did he actually say Nehlen almost never got blown out by Miami and Penn State?

Did he say against great Pitt teams while Nehlen was here?

My goodness

His good teams played all of them close for the exception of Syracuse in 97. Remember they lost to Marino only by a FG in 82, That was a 9-2 WVU team. Pay attention to detail.

 

[Boomboom521]

His good teams played all of them close for the exception of Syracuse in 97. Remember they lost to Marino only by a FG in 82, That was a 9-2 WVU team. Pay attention to detail.

All of his teams lost too....even the good ones....to the good teams.

 

[mountiefan88]

All of his teams lost too....even the good ones....to the good teams.

The 88 team lost the MNC to Notre Dame.
The 93 team lost to Florida but beat ranked VT, BC, and top 5 Miami. Louisville was also good.
The 82 team narrowly lost to Pitt and got beat by a great PSU team.

My point is rarely did his good teams get destroyed like Holgs is.

 

[Boomboom521]

The 88 team lost the MNC to Notre Dame.
The 93 team lost to Florida but beat ranked VT, BC, and top 5 Miami. Louisville was also good.
The 82 team narrowly lost to Pitt and got beat by a great PSU team.

My point is rarely did his good teams get destroyed like Holgs is.

I hear you. Good point, but I hated being under Don for so long BECAUSE we just never really won anything. I was there in 93 against Miami, it was great. BUT I was there when Ohio St and Notre Dame came to town and embarrassed us. I give Don credit for doing well against BC, VT, and Pitt over the years, but sooooo many bowl losses and so few Big East titles. I do think it was a different kind of football back them also, right? More ground and pound, 4-3 defense, chew the clock kind of ball. Makes a difference. I'm not defending Dana's debacle against Baylor and TCU, but let's not get too sentimental about Don......we were never great under him and rarely good.

 

[mountiefan88]

I agree but we need to get back to pounding the ball more.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

The 88 team lost the MNC to Notre Dame.
The 93 team lost to Florida but beat ranked VT, BC, and top 5 Miami. Louisville was also good.
The 82 team narrowly lost to Pitt and got beat by a great PSU team.

My point is rarely did his good teams get destroyed like Holgs is.

selective memory lol. I remember Nehlen getting slapped around quite often. It wasn't just bowl games either. In his 21 years, how many top teams did he beat? Miami, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse regularly beat him like a drum. He only beat VT before they got good. I would venture to say in holgorson's 4 1/2 years, he has likely beaten as many (or close to) top 20 teams as Nehlen did his entire WVU career.

 

[mountiefan88]

selective memory lol. I remember Nehlen getting slapped around quite often. It wasn't just bowl games either. In his 21 years, how many top teams did he beat? Miami, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse regularly beat him like a drum. He only beat VT before they got good. I would venture to say in holgorson's 4 1/2 years, he has likely beaten as many (or close to) top 20 teams as Nehlen did his entire WVU career.

How do you figure? He has not beaten anybody other than Baylor last year and a overrated Clemson in the Orange bowl. Heck, Holgs has been blown out by mediocre Syracuse teams. Nobody hardly beat PSU and Miami during that era. Don rarely got beat by 30 like Holgs does every week. When Don did it was because his team was usually not very good.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

How do you figure? He has not beaten anybody other than Baylor last year and a overrated Clemson in the Orange bowl. Heck, Holgs has been blown out by mediocre Syracuse teams. Nobody hardly beat PSU and Miami during that era. Don rarely got beat by 30 like Holgs does every week. When Don did it was because his team was usually not very good.

and Oklahoma state, Tcu, and whatever big east team his first year. Not sure, but wasn't Texas ranked our 1st year in the big 12 when we beat them?

 

[skygusty]

I don't understand why we are playing 3 quarterbacks, but 2 of them never get to run a series, even when the game is out of reach. I think Crest took a couple of snaps once when Howard was shaken up. Maybe if we put Chugs in at WR things will turn around.

 

[Papillion]

the final score looks closer than it really was. It was a blow out. It was 34-13 at one point. Wvu was overmatched. ND could've ran that score up.[

So name all those blowouts against great teams in 21 years. I can name one game he was out of in the first quarter. That was PSU in 91. His worst game at WVU. You could say Miami 86 but that wasn't instant as PSU where they looked completely out of it.
So name some more out of the 21 years all those blowouts.
And no, ND could not and did not run that score up because they got what they could and that was it. You're so full of crap with this generalization and hatred for Nehlen. WHere exactly could ND have run that score up where they decided to just be nice to WVU?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

The Dana fetishists are a disgrace. They will tear down anything and everything that came before him just to rationalize their creepy hots for him.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

WVU's problems are simple: The offense can't get out of its own way. In a Big 12 where TD drives take 2 minutes, WVU is lucky to have one a half. That puts so much strain on the defense.
Solve the offense and WVU wins at least 4 of the last 5 games. But this is halfway through the season, and there's no sign that the offense is improving. Despite what Dana says, my alma is not "getting closer." Only if you mean closer to the sun than Jupiter is that accurate.
WVU MUST get the offense squared away for the final 5 games, but the results so far are not encouraging. Otherwise, we'll all be praying for Bob Huggins to take our minds off WVU football.


THURSDAY, OCT. 29

TCU 40, West Virginia 10

SATURDAY, OCT. 31

Oklahoma 62, Kansas 7

Oklahoma State 70, Texas Tech 53

Iowa State 24, Texas 0


THURSDAY, NOV. 5

Baylor at Kansas State, 7:30 p.m.


SATURDAY, NOV. 7

Texas Tech at West Virginia, noon

TCU at Oklahoma State, 3:30 p.m.

Iowa State at Oklahoma, 7 p.m.

Kansas at Texas, 8 p.m.



TCU 5-0 8-0

Baylor 4-0 7-0

Oklahoma State 4-0 8-0

Oklahoma 3-1 7-1

Texas 2-2 3-5

Texas Tech 2-3 5-4

Iowa State 1-3 3-5

West Virginia 0-4 3-4

Kansas State 0-4 3-4

Kansas 0-4 0-8

 

[wbgvwbgv]

LOL. Yeah. Ok.

So name all those blowouts against great teams in 21 years. I can name one game he was out of in the first quarter. That was PSU in 91. His worst game at WVU. You could say Miami 86 but that wasn't instant as PSU where they looked completely out of it.
So name some more out of the 21 years all those blowouts.
And no, ND could not and did not run that score up because they got what they could and that was it. You're so full of crap with this generalization and hatred for Nehlen. WHere exactly could ND have run that score up where they decided to just be nice to WVU?

There is no denying that spread offenses and 100+ offensive plays per game has drastically changed college football. To think that Nehlen's defenses would hold teams like Baylor & TCU to two or three TDs is ridiculous. Teams score more today and thus the margins of victory are greater