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Its coming. Big $ sports are going to fall and the players salaries will decrease. People are fed up with the rising ticket costs and everything else like overpriced drinks, food, parking. Overpaid players running around a field aren’t worth the price of going to a game. MLB is hurting attendance wise and the NFL and NBA are going to fall some too. TV ratings are already decreasing. TV deals will decrease and attendance will drop means less money for players, coaches and owners.

College sports have also become all about the money. Overpaid coaches and rising ticket costs. The USA sports world needs to get back to the sport first over greed. I miss the old days. Conferences need to have regional, geographic sense again. Eventually it will hurt college and pro sports.

Pro sports have been boring and dead to me for years anyways. They better wake up and get ready. The free fall collapse is coming. Big decreases coming.
 
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There needs to be a salary cap on college coaches and a spending cap on each and every program. More money should not equal more wins.
 
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WVpride304 said:
Its coming. Big $ sports are going to fall and the players salaries will decrease. People are fed up with the rising ticket costs and everything else like overpriced drinks, food, parking. Overpaid players running around a field aren’t worth the price of going to a game. MLB is hurting attendance wise and the NFL and NBA are going to fall some too. TV ratings are already decreasing. TV deals will decrease and attendance will drop means less money for players, coaches and owners.

College sports have also become all about the money. Overpaid coaches and rising ticket costs. The USA sports world needs to get back to the sport first over greed. I miss the old days. Conferences need to have regional, geographic sense again. Eventually it will hurt college and pro sports.

Pro sports have been boring and dead to me for years anyways. They better wake up and get ready. The free fall collapse is coming. Big decreases coming.
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Weather hasn't been an issue either, huh? Your lack of in-depth thought is pretty phenomenal.
 
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Rootmaster said:
It doesn't.
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I would see that generally speaking it does, although of course that doesn't mean in every instance. Certainly the people in charge of the money think it does, otherwise why would the spend so much money on coaches?
 
WVpride304 said:
Its coming. Big $ sports are going to fall and the players salaries will decrease. People are fed up with the rising ticket costs and everything else like overpriced drinks, food, parking. Overpaid players running around a field aren’t worth the price of going to a game. MLB is hurting attendance wise and the NFL and NBA are going to fall some too. TV ratings are already decreasing. TV deals will decrease and attendance will drop means less money for players, coaches and owners.

College sports have also become all about the money. Overpaid coaches and rising ticket costs. The USA sports world needs to get back to the sport first over greed. I miss the old days. Conferences need to have regional, geographic sense again. Eventually it will hurt college and pro sports.

Pro sports have been boring and dead to me for years anyways. They better wake up and get ready. The free fall collapse is coming. Big decreases coming.
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Not gonna happen. Simply because of corporate sponsors who buy up a lot of tickets regardless if occupied or not. Combine that with forced tax payer entertainment taxes and public funding of stadiums, and forced inclusion in satellite, cable, internet packages. The powers at be have a safety net.
 
WVU80ate said:
Not gonna happen. Simply because of corporate sponsors who buy up a lot of tickets regardless if occupied or not. Combine that with forced tax payer entertainment taxes and public funding of stadiums, and forced inclusion in satellite, cable, internet packages. The powers at be have a safety net.
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the safety net has a huge hole in it. corporate support is falling and media delivery systems are losing viewers and revenue. besides that the sky isn't falling...but soon will.
 
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Rootmaster said:
the safety net has a huge hole in it. corporate support is falling and media delivery systems are losing viewers and revenue. besides that the sky isn't falling...but soon will.
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I hope you’re right. They’ve priced my family out of attending.
 
80ate...you bring up a great point. the real cost of attendance has spiked...tickets, food, travel, parking, lodging etc...and IMO has contributed to falling attendance issues throughout NCAA. people seem to pick the "important games with name opponents" now. before i stopped doing the corporate thing it was hard to give tickets away for games other than the media hyped ones. combine these costs with student apathy and falling profits etc at ESPN and the like and there is a simmering stew for collapse. college football followed the pro model which is also struggling.
 
WVpride304 said:
Its coming. Big $ sports are going to fall and the players salaries will decrease. People are fed up with the rising ticket costs and everything else like overpriced drinks, food, parking. Overpaid players running around a field aren’t worth the price of going to a game. MLB is hurting attendance wise and the NFL and NBA are going to fall some too. TV ratings are already decreasing. TV deals will decrease and attendance will drop means less money for players, coaches and owners.

College sports have also become all about the money. Overpaid coaches and rising ticket costs. The USA sports world needs to get back to the sport first over greed. I miss the old days. Conferences need to have regional, geographic sense again. Eventually it will hurt college and pro sports.

Pro sports have been boring and dead to me for years anyways. They better wake up and get ready. The free fall collapse is coming. Big decreases coming.
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To each his own but the price people pay to attend games amazes me. When you add it all up it's a LOT of money. That said, when you watch a game on TV it's way better when the crowd is into it. After TDs or big plays, instead of showing the players celebrating or the stuffy owner wearing a tie celebrate I'd much rather see a guy with a giant piece of foam cheese on his head celebrate. Seriously.

I think part of MLBs problem is that they just have WAY too many times. A 162 game season is ridiculous. And the NHL and NBA have 80-ish and even after all that half the teams make the playoffs. Then in the playoffs the series are best of seven. I mean, it's so obviously milking things for more money.

To be honest, literally every professional sport besides football could vanish tomorrow and I wouldn't mind a bit.
 
Pro football is getting ready for a decrease that will shake up things. Fans and sponsors are slipping away. Pro football has been boring for the last 15 years. Fantasy football was their saving grace but now it’s slipping away slowly but surely. NFL sucks. It will only get worse.
 
WVpride304 said:
Pro football is getting ready for a decrease that will shake up things. Fans and sponsors are slipping away. Pro football has been boring for the last 15 years. Fantasy football was their saving grace but now it’s slipping away slowly but surely. NFL sucks. It will only get worse.
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Pro football is struggling because of the kneeling and disrespect of our anthem.
 
Op2 said:
I think part of MLBs problem is that they just have WAY too many times. A 162 game season is ridiculous. And the NHL and NBA have 80-ish and even after all that half the teams make the playoffs. Then in the playoffs the series are best of seven. I mean, it's so obviously milking things for more money.
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I have to brag a little bit. I called this one. A MLB player has come out and said that MLB plays too many games.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
 
WVpride304 said:
Its coming. Big $ sports are going to fall and the players salaries will decrease. People are fed up with the rising ticket costs and everything else like overpriced drinks, food, parking. Overpaid players running around a field aren’t worth the price of going to a game. MLB is hurting attendance wise and the NFL and NBA are going to fall some too. TV ratings are already decreasing. TV deals will decrease and attendance will drop means less money for players, coaches and owners.

College sports have also become all about the money. Overpaid coaches and rising ticket costs. The USA sports world needs to get back to the sport first over greed. I miss the old days. Conferences need to have regional, geographic sense again. Eventually it will hurt college and pro sports.

Pro sports have been boring and dead to me for years anyways. They better wake up and get ready. The free fall collapse is coming. Big decreases coming.
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I think this may be the first thing you've posted about which I agree. Statistically you're in agreement with the trend. The trend will only get worse for pro and college sports for at least two reasons. First, millennials have been educated against provincial mindsets. The idea of regional pride is a concept many millennials and younger reject. Second, that same group was educated against the idea of value of competition. This is why they are largely anticapitalist. They believe that a more socialist system is a fairer way to manage societal needs, and the capitalist mantra of "capitalism breeds achievement while socialism breeds laziness" is unfounded. But getting back to sports if you don't have hometown pride and you think competition is a vice then what's left to like about sports?
 
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Not gonna happen. Simply because of corporate sponsors who buy up a lot of tickets regardless if occupied or not. Combine that with forced tax payer entertainment taxes and public funding of stadiums, and forced inclusion in satellite, cable, internet packages. The powers at be have a safety net.
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Corporations will stop funding what consumers don't want.
 
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It can’t go up forever. The overexposure factor is real. That said even if the money decreases it is still miles ahead of where it was even just 10 years ago. I promise everyone involved with the money aspect of sports won’t be going hungry anytime soon.
 
NBA has had its share of troubles, low ratings, empty arenas over the last 20 years in the post Michael Jordan era. I think the worst is coming. Who do you know that actually watches NBA? The NBA will go downhill over the next 5-10 years. It’s coming. Right now ESPN is trying to market hard because they paid $$$ to air the games but the bottom will fall in the next 5 years. NBA future is cloudy. It’s obvious unless they work with NCAA and fix the mess.
 
NBA has had its share of troubles, low ratings, empty arenas over the last 20 years in the post Michael Jordan era. I think the worst is coming. Who do you know that actually watches NBA? The NBA will go downhill over the next 5-10 years. It’s coming. Right now ESPN is trying to market hard because they paid $$$ to air the games but the bottom will fall in the next 5 years. NBA future is cloudy. It’s obvious unless they work with NCAA and fix the mess.
 
NFL will continue to slip a little over the next 5 years and the sponsors, fans and next TV deals will lower eventually. It will hit them in pockets eventually. It’s coming. Pro sports are boring anyways.
 
NFL will continue to slip a little over the next 5 years and the sponsors, fans and next TV deals will lower eventually. It will hit them in pockets eventually. It’s coming. Pro sports are boring anyways.
 
WVpride304 said:
NBA has had its share of troubles, low ratings, empty arenas over the last 20 years in the post Michael Jordan era. I think the worst is coming. Who do you know that actually watches NBA? The NBA will go downhill over the next 5-10 years. It’s coming. Right now ESPN is trying to market hard because they paid $$$ to air the games but the bottom will fall in the next 5 years. NBA future is cloudy. It’s obvious unless they work with NCAA and fix the mess.
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NBA has probably never been stronger, tons of big names and international appeal. They are probably on the upswing more than any other sport.
 
KeatonsCorner said:
That comparison makes zero sense

Did you miss where I said the NBA was thriving?

Sears died due to competition and the internet

Is there another NBA?
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You noting that you previously said something is not evidence for your point. The fact is several smaller market NBA teams have seen dramatic drops in attendance--20%+. Large markets will continue to draw simply due to population size. And revenue, being primarily from TV, won't change much until contracts are renegotiated. The drop in fan attendance is significant not just with the NFL, NBA, and MLB, but also with the NHL and NASCAR.

And you don't think the these sports leagues have competition? First they compete against each other. Second, they compete against non-sports entertainment and interests. Most businesses want to build affection for the brand with kids so that they're hooked for life. All the kids programs put on by pro sports leagues are not merely from philanthropic motives. They are creating future consumers for their products. These sports teams are losing the battle for affection to video systems and games, anime, the arts, as well as social causes.

The comparison with Sears makes sense. Sears thrived in the days of the catalog and the early age of the mall. But malls brought niche stores which won the affection of the youth. When those youth became adults they didn't view Sears the same way their parents did. Then came Internet shopping and malls themselves began to die. Sears was unable to adjust because they lost the battle for brand affection generations ago, and when they tried to adjust in the Internet age they had no market. Sports leagues are following the same path. They're losing the battle for brand affection in kids, and the necessary matrix of regional competition is rejected by the younger generations both on the basis of "regional" and "competition." Again, another big reason for drops in interest is the desire by these generation to live a life that makes a difference and not to be entertained.

So how are the sports leagues trying to adjust? They're trying to build social trust with the younger generations by taking up social causes important to them. That's why to many older people who say, "I hate all the politics in sports," it makes no sense that these league would take up social issues. But it makes sense to these sports leagues. Why? Because they're trying to recover affection from the younger generations by taking up causes--gay rights, civil rights, animal rights, police brutality, environmentalism--important to those generations. Older fans say, "They're running us off." The sports leagues say, "We're going to die sooner or later if we don't win the younger generations."
 
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I can name at least 1 that all he ever does is bawl but when WVU wins, he's nowhere to be found. Think he really needs laid to relax and even lives in a weed legal state....
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Well its funny when the Wvu basketball team won I was here and you werent. How come you're never here after losses?. You must be unemployed years ago this place was your life and then you disappeared for awhile and now you're back. We know you're never here after losses tough guy.
 
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ColoradoMountaineer said:
Well its funny when the Wvu basketball team won I was here and you werent. How come you're never here after losses?. You must be unemployed years ago this place was your life and then you disappeared for awhile and now you're back. We know you're never here after losses tough guy.
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I've ALWAYS been here. May not post, but I'm here. I don't get on here to whine and bawl about coaches like you do, pissbaby. And to be honest not even sure why I respond to half of it. This free board is good to come to when I want to see people that make me feel smarter. AAAAAND I've been employed the whole time.

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You noting that you previously said something is not evidence for your point. The fact is several smaller market NBA teams have seen dramatic drops in attendance--20%+. Large markets will continue to draw simply due to population size. And revenue, being primarily from TV, won't change much until contracts are renegotiated. The drop in fan attendance is significant not just with the NFL, NBA, and MLB, but also with the NHL and NASCAR.

And you don't think the these sports leagues have competition? First they compete against each other. Second, they compete against non-sports entertainment and interests. Most businesses want to build affection for the brand with kids so that they're hooked for life. All the kids programs put on by pro sports leagues are not merely from philanthropic motives. They are creating future consumers for their products. These sports teams are losing the battle for affection to video systems and games, anime, the arts, as well as social causes.

The comparison with Sears makes sense. Sears thrived in the days of the catalog and the early age of the mall. But malls brought niche stores which won the affection of the youth. When those youth became adults they didn't view Sears the same way their parents did. Then came Internet shopping and malls themselves began to die. Sears was unable to adjust because they lost the battle for brand affection generations ago, and when they tried to adjust in the Internet age they had no market. Sports leagues are following the same path. They're losing the battle for brand affection in kids, and the necessary matrix of regional competition is rejected by the younger generations both on the basis of "regional" and "competition." Again, another big reason for drops in interest is the desire by these generation to live a life that makes a difference and not to be entertained.

So how are the sports leagues trying to adjust? They're trying to build social trust with the younger generations by taking up social causes important to them. That's why to many older people who say, "I hate all the politics in sports," it makes no sense that these league would take up social issues. But it makes sense to these sports leagues. Why? Because they're trying to recover affection from the younger generations by taking up causes--gay rights, civil rights, animal rights, police brutality, environmentalism--important to those generations. Older fans say, "They're running us off." The sports leagues say, "We're going to die sooner or later if we don't win the younger generations."
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No they haven’t...... your attendance claim is Bs. I stopped reading after that
 
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