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Mixon situation demonstrates the complete impotence of the NCAA

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They punish poor inner city athletes mercilessly for accepting benefits. They’ll pound the pulpit over Title IX. Recruiting violation penalties often diminish schools’ programs significantly.

But expect nothing if your daughter is beaten or raped by an athlete. The school will victim-blame and coaches will try to shame the public for not being willing to give a “kid” a second chance. And all of a sudden the NCAA is nowhere to be seen or heard.
 
They punish poor inner city athletes mercilessly for accepting benefits. They’ll pound the pulpit over Title IX. Recruiting violation penalties often diminish schools’ programs significantly.

But expect nothing if your daughter is beaten or raped by an athlete. The school will victim-blame and coaches will try to shame the public for not being willing to give a “kid” a second chance. And all of a sudden the NCAA is nowhere to be seen or heard.

How is the NCAA supposed to interfere in a legal process? Any athlete will scream due process and that the NCAA has no jurisdiction in this. I'm not saying that the colleges have handled things correctly but I just don't see the NCAA being able to get away with it.
 
How is the NCAA supposed to interfere in a legal process? Any athlete will scream due process and that the NCAA has no jurisdiction in this. I'm not saying that the colleges have handled things correctly but I just don't see the NCAA being able to get away with it.
Easy. If a school keeps an athlete on a team proven to have committed violence against a woman or a child then the school suffers penalties.
 
Easy. If a school keeps an athlete on a team proven to have committed violence against a woman or a child then the school suffers penalties.
That's the key word, unless you don't believe in innocent till proven guilty, at the foundation of our justice system.
 
That's in criminal law.

The NCAA, and universities are different.
Exactly. I have an employer who has made a significant investment in me. I’m under contract. In my contract is a character clause. They don’t have to wait for the criminal justice system to take its course. If that is me in the video I’d be fired. In fact I could be fired for much, much less.

CFE types are the problem--people who throw out terms illegitimately crossing context with the sole intent of justifying abhorrent behavior, not the abhorrent behavior of the player but of the school admin and coaches.
 
We need to decide whether Mixon is guilty or innocent...the video of him cold cocking a woman be damned!

Can you go by a video? That could be someone dressed like Mr. Mixon with intent to defame the man and steal his football money.
 
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Stoops and OU very well may have mishandled this situation on the side of leniency. But as I said in another thread, I don't know the full extent of what OU did, or did not do, with Mixon.

The NCAA released its grip on PSU because in the end it was actually a legal issue and not a NCAA issue. As screwed up as the NCAA can be I think they realize there is no cookie-cutter solution to be imposed on schools for using their own judgment, for better or worse, in the situations in which student athletes violate the law.

Even judges in a court room will consider various aspects of different cases that look very similar to us on the outside and then render different judgments in those cases in terms of what is required of the guilty party. I've actually sat in courtrooms watching judges wrestle with the ins and outs of a particular case in an effort to administer justice and also set forth a specific course of action for a guilty individual in which the judge creates an opportunity for the guilty party to make restitution or redeem themselves, so to speak.

I'm not going to argue endlessly about Mixon. What he did was pathetic and, in my opinion, required a very serious response from OU.

One of the differences between an intercollegiate athletic program and having an employment contract is that your employer assumes you are a competent adult. Intercollegiate programs, especially these days, see themselves, at least in part, as an entity that helps develop young athletes, even troubled young athletes, toward becoming an adult. And sometimes that is just a can of worms waiting to be opened.
 
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Stoops and OU very well may have mishandled this situation on the side of leniency. But as I said in another thread, I don't know the full extent of what OSU did, or did not do, with Mixon.

The NCAA released its grip on PSU because in the end it was actually a legal issue and not a NCAA issue. As screwed up as the NCAA can be I think they realize there is no cookie-cutter solution to be imposed on schools for using their own judgment, for better or worse, in the situations in which student athletes violate the law.

Even judges in a court room will consider various aspects of different cases that look very similar to us on the outside and then render different judgments in those cases in terms of what is required of the guilty party. I've actually sat in courtrooms watching judges wrestle with the ins and outs of a particular case in an effort to administer justice and also set forth a specific course of action for a guilty individual in which the judge creates an opportunity for the guilty party to make restitution or redeem themselves, so to speak.

I'm not going to argue endlessly about Mixon. What he did was pathetic and, in my opinion, required a very serious response from OU.

One of the differences between an intercollegiate athletic program and having an employment contract is that your employer assumes you are a competent adult. Intercollegiate programs, especially these days, see themselves, at least in part, as an entity that helps develop young athletes, even troubled young athletes, toward becoming an adult. And sometimes that is just a can of worms waiting to be opened.

Now, what exactly do you consider a "very serious response". You've already said that kicking him off the team was "wanting blood", so what do you consider very serious?

They suspended him for one year, during a redshirt season. Do you consider that very serious?
 
Now, what exactly do you consider a "very serious response". You've already said that kicking him off the team was "wanting blood", so what do you consider very serious?

They suspended him for one year, during a redshirt season. Do you consider that very serious?

Oh good grief ... I never said that kicking him off the team was wanting blood. I said YOU want blood.

My only real point that I would care to discuss in THIS thread is that the NCAA will not impose a cookie-cutter regulation on schools concerning cases of student athletes who violate law because judges in court rooms don't impose cookie-cutter rulings on similar looking cases.
 
Hurdy is trying to make the argument that Oklahoma has a moral obligation to keep him on the team and turn his life around (they do not).

Now, keep in mind coaches regularly push kids out of programs simply because they aren't good enough players - and the Hurdys of the world don't say a word.

What Hurdy is completely ignoring this the universities actual obligation to its other students - safety, well-being.
 
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Oh good grief ... I never said that kicking him off the team was wanting blood. I said YOU want blood.

My only real point that I would care to discuss in THIS thread is that the NCAA will not impose a cookie-cutter regulation on schools concerning cases of student athletes who violate law because judges in court rooms don't impose cookie-cutter rulings on similar looking cases.

You said I wanted blood because I said he should be kicked off the team. Your words.

Criminal law and university policy, or NCAA policy is totally unrelated.

So anyways, answer the question. Define very serious. Kicking him off the team is wanting blood...so what is very serious.
 
Hurdy is trying to make the argument that Oklahoma has a moral obligation to keep him on the team and turn his life around (they do not).

Now, keep in mind coaches regularly push kids out of programs simply because they aren't good enough players.

What Hurdy is completely ignoring this the universities actual obligation to its other students - safety, well-being.
Good point.
 
Just simply remove him from the team if he is not following the code of conduct...I know...just an insane idea right?

That's wanting blood. Where is your sense of compassion?

Now, if the kid isn't producing on the field....well then he needs to go, immediately. No questions asked.
 
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If OU had chosen to kick him off the team I would have had no problem with that. I would assume that having looked at the entirety of the situation that they would decided that was the best course of action.Likewise, since they chose not to kick him off the team I have to assume that having looked at the entirety of the situation they decided that was not the thing to do.

Were they purely motivated by his football skills in not kicking him off the team? Or were they trying to give a troubled youth a way forward? I honestly do not know. That's why I can't pass judgment on OU in this situation. If it truly comes to light that they only gave him a pat on the wrist so that he could stay on the team then we'll have to call a spade a spade. But I can't pass judgment on something that I don't know about

A year's suspension that only turns into red-shirt seems very light to me. But I have no idea what they did or did not do out of the public eye with Mixon. What did they require of him during that year off? I don't know. Do you? If I knew what they did I very well may conclude that they didn't do enough. But I really don't know what they did. Do you?

What he did was serious; very seriously bad. I have never defended his actions as Darth would have you believe. I just don't know the full extant of what OU did or did not do.
 
Hurdy is trying to make the argument that Oklahoma has a moral obligation to keep him on the team and turn his life around (they do not).

Now, keep in mind coaches regularly push kids out of programs simply because they aren't good enough players - and the Hurdys of the world don't say a word.

What Hurdy is completely ignoring this the universities actual obligation to its other students - safety, well-being.

I have made no argument that OU is "obligated" to do anything. You fabricate things.
 
If a university chooses a path in which they decide to give a student athlete second chance, that is their decision. They are certainly not obligated to do that. Nor do I believe they are obligated to do that.
 
If OU had chosen to kick him off the team I would have had no problem with that. I would assume that having looked at the entirety of the situation that they would decided that was the best course of action.Likewise, since they chose not to kick him off the team I have to assume that having looked at the entirety of the situation they decided that was not the thing to do.

You're just spinning to avoid having to give an actual opinion.

Were they purely motivated by his football skills in not kicking him off the team? Or were they trying to give a troubled youth a way forward? I honestly do not know. That's why I can't pass judgment on OU in this situation. If it truly comes to light that they only gave him a pat on the wrist so that he could stay on the team then we'll have to call a spade a spade. But I can't pass judgment on something that I don't know about

LMAO - WTF, Do you think?

A year's suspension that only turns into red-shirt seems very light to me. But I have no idea what they did or did not do out of the public eye with Mixon. What did they require of him during that year off? I don't know. Do you? If I knew what they did I very well may conclude that they didn't do enough. But I really don't know what they did. Do you?

None of the matters. It's totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that he was suspended again, for going psycho on a parking attendant.

What he did was serious; very seriously bad. I have never defended his actions as Darth would have you believe. I just don't know the full extant of what OU did or did not do.

You keep saying that, like this situation is SO complex that there is no actual answer, and that what occurred is so ambiguous, that all we can do is withhold our opinions about Mixon and Stoops/OU. But that isn't true. We DO know the full extent of Mixon's punishment. He was suspended for one season, which was his redshirt year.
 
But you're trying to sell us on the idea that Stoops did exactly that, right?

How many times do I have to say that I don't know the full extent of exactly "what" OU did and "why" they did what they did do before you understand that I am saying I do not know what and why OU did what they did?

You have very serious reality issues.
 
Darth has reality issues.

I don't think so.

Lets discuss YOUR reality. In YOUR reality, a football coach at a major program finds out his 5 STAR future NFL Running Back just violently attacked, and injured a female student. The coach has two options essentially. Kick him off the team, or let him stay.

The coach lets him stay on the team...

And in YOUR reality, you think it's because the coach JUST wants to help turn his life around and NOT because he just wants to keep his All-Star Running Back on the field to win games.

LMAO!!!! Yeah, I'm the one with reality issues.
 
I don't think so.

Lets discuss YOUR reality. In YOUR reality, a football coach at a major program finds out his 5 STAR future NFL Running Back just violently attacked, and injured a female student. The coach has two options essentially. Kick him off the team, or let him stay.

The coach lets him stay on the team...

And in YOUR reality, you think it's because the coach JUST wants to help turn his life around and NOT because he just wants to keep his All-Star Running Back on the field to win games.

LMAO!!!! Yeah, I'm the one with reality issues.

No. In my reality I cannot definitively say what was done and why it was done. And I have already said that if he was only kept around to play football that is a problem. Again you fabricate things.
 
How many times do I have to say that I don't know the full extent of exactly "what" OU did and "why" they did what they did do before you understand that I am saying I do not know what and why OU did what they did?

You have very serious reality issues.

LOL - You do know, you've been told. They suspended him for one year, during his redshirt season. If you don't know WHY they did it, then I'm not the only one with "very serious reality issues".

HINT: To win football games.
 
That's wanting blood. Where is your sense of compassion?

Now, if the kid isn't producing on the field....well then he needs to go, immediately. No questions asked.

Now..............if the kid (Mr. Mixon...............22 years old) isn't producing on the field................that's an entirely different story. Heck, Stoops can't use a kid that doesn't produce on the field and only then should he be told to pack up.
 
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How many times do I have to say that I don't know the full extent of exactly "what" OU did and "why" they did what they did do before you understand that I am saying I do not know what and why OU did what they did?

You have very serious reality issues.

HurdyBoy......................why don't you know the full extent of the OU situation. You a 'shiny shoes'. I see you at the meetings every time. Warez
 
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Sorry Cajuneer .... I guess this was supposed to be a thread about the NCAA. But Darth is on a mission.
 
Hey .... if it comes to light that Mixon only did pat on the wrist stuff during his year off I'll be as critical of Stoops and OU as anyone. But right now I don't know that.
 
OK. I understand that. I'll just assume Deductive and Analytical Reasoning do not exist in your reality either.

I'm sure I'm suppose to take offense at that. But you're just further revealing that you have chosen to ignore the fact that you fabricate things.
 
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