Mike Gundy outcoached us yestersday. Tony Gibson
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Who blitzes on third and 20....?
Not blitzing on third and long is what coaches believe in unless you are needing a turnover.
When you have the lead you play the percentages.
Sometimes you lose other times you win but bringing pressure allows for the big play...
Hence the reason you don't help a team on third and 20
Not blitzing on third and long is what coaches believe in unless you are needing a turnover.
When you have the lead you play the percentages.
Sometimes you lose other times you win but bringing pressure allows for the big play...
Hence the reason you don't help a team on third and 20
Totally and completely wrong.
Again, as you say, you play the percentages. Put pressure on and force a quick throw. A throw that is more likely to be errant than on target. A throw that is likely to be well short of the sticks. A throw that is less likely to be caught.
Unless you're us. WVU has failed in this endeavor numerous times this season - sitting back and letting a QB find an open receiver beyond the sticks. If it happens once, oh well they got us. Twice? Well,... Numerous times, that might be a trend you would want to break there, Tony.
With your thinking, why would you ever blitz?
When you blitz you leave your secondary vulnerable.
Why do that when you have already put the offense well behind the chains?
You blitz on Third and three.
Most DC believe this or you show blitz to a young QB that has been hit then drop back in coverage to create confusion and a possible turnover.
The reason you don't blitz on third and 20 is because of the screen play.
The screen play is best suited for that play because it is conservative and gives you a chance to pick up a first down on an aggressive D
Why do that when you have already put the offense well behind the chains?
You blitz on Third and three.
Most DC believe this or you show blitz to a young QB that has been hit then drop back in coverage to create confusion and a possible turnover.
The reason you don't blitz on third and 20 is because of the screen play.
The screen play is best suited for that play because it is conservative and gives you a chance to pick up a first down on an aggressive D
Townes is correct. You don’t blitz on 3rd and 20.
The main reason they converted that play was the receiver ran out of bounds and our backs thought he was ineligible and let him go.
Let me rephrase myself here.
In normal conversation, I would agree with you. Yet, you don't have to send the house, which is what I assume you guys are thinking. Sending 5 is better than sending just 3 especially when you have linebackers (outside of Long) who can't make a play in space anyway. Might as well send them.
But, this is us. WE drop to a spot and stand there. WE don't slide over to the soft spots or to receivers to be in a position to break the play up. WE drop back 7-10 yards beyond the sticks, whether its 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 20. .WE allow receivers to run slant routes, the favorite route of about all teams in short yardage situations instead of playing inside leverage. I could go on but its already tiresome.
So, yes, WE have to blitz. Often. Even on 3rd and 20. Otherwise, it will be 1st and 10, ala OSU, or 4th and 2 ala Texass. They run the draw, let em. At least its out quick and the safeties will have the play in front of them instead of standing like statues.
In normal conversation, I would agree with you. Yet, you don't have to send the house, which is what I assume you guys are thinking. Sending 5 is better than sending just 3 especially when you have linebackers (outside of Long) who can't make a play in space anyway. Might as well send them.
But, this is us. WE drop to a spot and stand there. WE don't slide over to the soft spots or to receivers to be in a position to break the play up. WE drop back 7-10 yards beyond the sticks, whether its 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 20. .WE allow receivers to run slant routes, the favorite route of about all teams in short yardage situations instead of playing inside leverage. I could go on but its already tiresome.
So, yes, WE have to blitz. Often. Even on 3rd and 20. Otherwise, it will be 1st and 10, ala OSU, or 4th and 2 ala Texass. They run the draw, let em. At least its out quick and the safeties will have the play in front of them instead of standing like statues.
This isn't a video game.
You just don't hit the reset button.
You play the percentages.
When you blitz on 3rd and 20 you help the offense out.
When you blitz on 3rd and 3 you are decreasing their chance.
This is their job so they will play the percentages like any coach in any sport .
You said it yourself. The LBs and DBs have problems in coverage so why have less of them out there
You just don't hit the reset button.
You play the percentages.
When you blitz on 3rd and 20 you help the offense out.
When you blitz on 3rd and 3 you are decreasing their chance.
This is their job so they will play the percentages like any coach in any sport .
You said it yourself. The LBs and DBs have problems in coverage so why have less of them out there
Again, you are wrong.
If you are helping the offense out on 3rd and 20 by blitzing, you are equally helping them out on 3rd and 3 by blitzing.
Think about it...
If you are helping the offense out on 3rd and 20 by blitzing, you are equally helping them out on 3rd and 3 by blitzing.
Think about it...
It is a video game if your defense doesn't put pressure on a QB. Any QB worth his salt will pick you apart with time. No defensive backfield can cover for 7-10 seconds, no matter what the level of play.
Against an inexperienced QB, he may not be able to complete the pass or will rush things. Against an experienced QB, like UT's or OSU's, he will pick you apart. He will find the open receiver.
Put pressure on him, make him throw a low percentage pass against man coverage down the sideline by playing inside leverage. He completes it - good for him. Either he got the first or he came up short but at least you made him make an outstanding play to do it. Otherwise, even average QB's stand a good chance of getting a first down with time.
Against an inexperienced QB, he may not be able to complete the pass or will rush things. Against an experienced QB, like UT's or OSU's, he will pick you apart. He will find the open receiver.
Put pressure on him, make him throw a low percentage pass against man coverage down the sideline by playing inside leverage. He completes it - good for him. Either he got the first or he came up short but at least you made him make an outstanding play to do it. Otherwise, even average QB's stand a good chance of getting a first down with time.
Your statement right there goes to show how much you actually understand about the game.
On third and 20 you are hoping that you can create enough pressure with your DL that you can force a throw.
This is why you drop seven and eight into coverage.
Blitzing forces the QB to get the ball out of his hands quick but it also allows the player to get a first down because you have less people to tackle down field.
Even if you only send 5.
On third and three the offense is in control.
Unlike in third and 20.
This is why you blitz and play up on the WR.
You are hoping for a quick pass that your DB can defend.
You don't play your DBs up on the WRs on 3rd and 20.
So a quick pass allows the WR to have room to move after the catch.
On third and 20 you are hoping that you can create enough pressure with your DL that you can force a throw.
This is why you drop seven and eight into coverage.
Blitzing forces the QB to get the ball out of his hands quick but it also allows the player to get a first down because you have less people to tackle down field.
Even if you only send 5.
On third and three the offense is in control.
Unlike in third and 20.
This is why you blitz and play up on the WR.
You are hoping for a quick pass that your DB can defend.
You don't play your DBs up on the WRs on 3rd and 20.
So a quick pass allows the WR to have room to move after the catch.
Bad tackling in the 2nd half will negate any scheme or x's & o's adjustment. Our tackling was atrocious and embarrassing in the 2nd half. Fix that, then decide if you have to fix the scheme.
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Football is quite simple.
Get a team in third Down and hopefully in third and long.
This is why all OC's stress staying ahead of the chains.
Picking up good yardage on first and second down.
More so in the NFL than CFB and HS Football but at the end of the day football is the same.
Offenses want to be in Third and less than 4
And
Defenses want to be in Third and more than 8
There is a sliding percentage of success rate from third and 3 and shorter compared to 3rd and 9 and longer
Get a team in third Down and hopefully in third and long.
This is why all OC's stress staying ahead of the chains.
Picking up good yardage on first and second down.
More so in the NFL than CFB and HS Football but at the end of the day football is the same.
Offenses want to be in Third and less than 4
And
Defenses want to be in Third and more than 8
There is a sliding percentage of success rate from third and 3 and shorter compared to 3rd and 9 and longer
I'm going to take down your argument line for line, for clarity's sake, rather than posting it all at the end.
If you drop off your coverage, yes. You are taking a chance there. Same as blitzing. You are taking a chance. But, I'd rather take a chance playing what got me into 3rd and 20 than playing soft.
Agree with everything you wrote. So, a good defensive coordinator will call the plays that will get you into 3rd and 8 or longer, right? Same goes for the other side. Still up to the players to execute. But, if you are calling the shots, and you aren't consistently getting into those situations, wouldn't you want to change something to perhaps get there? Wouldn't you want to go against your trends now and then? This is WVU's weakness - the inability to change - that causes them to lose games they shouldn't.
There are a lot of other factors you have to determine as well.
Position on the field
Time in the game
Score
Limitations and strengths of the QB
Late in a game with an one score lead you play it safe.
Earlier in the game you might have changed it up but not in the 4th
Position on the field
Time in the game
Score
Limitations and strengths of the QB
Late in a game with an one score lead you play it safe.
Earlier in the game you might have changed it up but not in the 4th
If he would have played aggressive Oklahoma St could have scored a TD.
This is why you play it safe.
Who knows they may have fumbled the next snap or thrown an interception.
This is why you prevent the TD.
At that point of the game you force them to take as many plays as possible to score a TD
This is why you play it safe.
Who knows they may have fumbled the next snap or thrown an interception.
This is why you prevent the TD.
At that point of the game you force them to take as many plays as possible to score a TD
These guys have already forgotten what happened when we blitzed Texas on 3rd and long...twice.
To refresh their memory, number 84 caught both deep balls, one a touchdown and the other down to the 2 yard line.
You're over-complicating it. All that's needed to win is to score more points than the other team. Simple.
Running an offense is complicated....
You have to take what the defense gives you but if you don't do anything well the defense won't give you anything.
More importantly if you can't win the 1 on 1 matchups.
WV's WR were not winning the majority of 1 on 1 matchups.
Especially in the second half.
Down and distance determines what play you will run.
An offense wants 100% of their playbook while a defense wants to take away plays.
This is one of the reasons you don't blitz on 3 and 20...
No matter what the video shows.
Offenses will determine their play by the history of the D.
But the D is in complete control.
You pretty much force the QB to throw in front of the marker
Like what was said the WR got pass the line because the DB thought he was out of bounds
Not because of horrible coverage.
You have to take what the defense gives you but if you don't do anything well the defense won't give you anything.
More importantly if you can't win the 1 on 1 matchups.
WV's WR were not winning the majority of 1 on 1 matchups.
Especially in the second half.
Down and distance determines what play you will run.
An offense wants 100% of their playbook while a defense wants to take away plays.
This is one of the reasons you don't blitz on 3 and 20...
No matter what the video shows.
Offenses will determine their play by the history of the D.
But the D is in complete control.
You pretty much force the QB to throw in front of the marker
Like what was said the WR got pass the line because the DB thought he was out of bounds
Not because of horrible coverage.
In both situations, the QB threw up a prayer. In both situations, our DB was in position to break it up. He simply got out jumped by a 6'5" freak of an athlete who will someday be playing in the NFL, likely as a first or second round pick.
Tell me again who on OSU's receiving corp is as tall, athletic, or as good as Humphrey that we should be so worried about beating us?
You guys gave me a headache. It will clear up when I'm in Section 105 at 8 pm Friday for the kickoff.
Football is a chess match, every play. Every defense has its weaknesses. Every offense has its weaknesses.
The key is for strength to hit their weakness. How do you do that? Guys making millions spend 7 days trying to figure that out for the next opponent all over the country.
Who knew all they had to do was read this thread and problem solved!
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S avagely skewer Oklahoma & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
Football is a chess match, every play. Every defense has its weaknesses. Every offense has its weaknesses.
The key is for strength to hit their weakness. How do you do that? Guys making millions spend 7 days trying to figure that out for the next opponent all over the country.
Who knew all they had to do was read this thread and problem solved!
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S avagely skewer Oklahoma & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
That wasn't third and 20
I don't remember the down and distance
On 3rd and 20 Texas likes to pick up 15-18 yards and go for it on 4th.
So they run a player in front of the marker that a D will play soft on.
Depending on the position on the field and score.
What about 3rd and 14?
Same drive
Gibson single handedly took away a chance at one of the best seasons in Mountaineer history.
What a bum.
Same drive
Gibson single handedly took away a chance at one of the best seasons in Mountaineer history.
What a bum.
Unless, of course, WVU beats Oklahoma, 51-13. Even then there will be complaints. It's in our nature.
I just show in Section 105 and enjoy WVU football. Saves me the trouble of kicking the dog and beating the wife and kids.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S avagely skewer Oklahoma & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
WV doesn't have great CBs...
So you can't leave them on an island and say cover the WR.
I am all for the big 6-2 CB that can manhandle the WR.
Like a Jalen Ramsey in the NFL
Greedy Williams in College
Those are hard to come by.
Most taller CBs don't change direction fast enough
In the Big XII you need 2 Tall Physical Corners and a Fast Big LB.
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