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Meanwhile back in western North Carolina

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There's a reason their grandpappies told them to never trust the government. This is going to be a very long post, so I'll start with a summary:

Are kids being taken away from parents in WNC? Yes
Isn't the National Guard still assisting in WNC? No
Isn't the state government assisting more in WNC? No
Isn't FEMA assisting? Bwahahahaha
Who is assisting? Private citizens and Samaritan's Purse
Is it a land grab? abso****INGlutely
Did a child die this week?!?!? Maybe

It turns out that when you ask for assistance, even from the Red Cross, that puts you in the government crosshairs. One story of a young woman, obviously with some issues, described her story. She owned a trailer near or in what looked to be Swannanoa. It was flooded, she lost every possession she owned and her car. She went to the Red Cross shelter for a week, requested assistance with shelter. After a week she returned to her trailer to get it cleaned out to attempt to live in. The county/FEMA showed up soon after and declared her trailer, and most all others in that community, condemned. 'Lo and behold, DSS showed up not long afterwards, gave her 3 business days to get a decent living space created, or she'd lose her child. 3 days went by, it still wasn't cleaned up adequately, and they removed the child. He's now in foster care more than 2 hours away. What money she was getting for aid to clean up is now being given to the foster family to care for the child. She is in a no-win situation, and no way out.

The National Guard has all but pulled out of WNC. The emergency disaster declaration has passed.

The state government has recently learned that the rainy day fund used for hurricane response is 200 million in the hole. King Cooper's director resigned in disgrace 2 days ago. The legislature has passed a response bill, the governor is sure to veto. Some additional items around election security were added, and he won't stand for those. The state response for WNC is barely anything.

FEMA still has a moderate presence in WNC. I wouldn't call it helpful. Even in emergency conditions they respond strictly by the book, except when they don't. I'm referring to the woman who was fired for only helping those who didn't have Trump signs in their yard. Consensus from WNC locals is that the same strategy was employed in WNC. Some funds have been received by locals. One man was turned down 4 times, posted his denials online for 5 million views, assisted in setting up the congressional hearings this past week, and was finally approved afterwards. The presence in WNC I would say is unwelcomed at this point. A few weeks ago the WV coal miner boys came down and rebuilt a road between Chimney Rock and Bat Cave in a few days, when government said it would take years. The county, with FEMA footing half of the cost, has now gated off that road and hired private security to ensure it stays closed.

Who is helping these poor people? Noone with the government. They've even called off the cadaver dogs. Mounds of silt/dirt/debris 40 foot tall sit everywhere, and the dogs hit in 3-4 spots in many of those mounds. Not many have been dug out yet. I still don't buy the < 200 death toll figure. It's been Samaritan's Purse and other non-profits (not NGOs) that have done the heavy lifting. For the last month they have prioritized getting shelter for these people. 150 tiny homes were put up by the Amish. Hundreds of sheds turned into a place to stay warm and dry had been created and deployed. Winter tents with wood stoves in them have also been deployed. The question is why??!? FEMA is sitting on acres and acres of campers, RVs, and the like. Some are as close as Hickory, NC. They will not dispurse them. Why? Well, sit down boys and girls, here comes the fun part!

While FEMA drags their ass at most things, the one thing they didn't drag their ass on was updating the flood maps. I think everyone that lost shelter due to this flood is now considered to be in the flood plain. They will not assist anyone with shelter in the flood plain in "rebuilding", even if it is a temporary shelter. The counties have condemned almost all of the work that the Amish and shed people did, they are unusable.

So this couple, desperate for shelter for their 18 month old, receives an RV from a church. They abandon their tent for shelter and utilize the RV. Turns out that the RV was donated from out of state, the owner was behind on payments, and had been slated for repossession either just before it was donated, or right after. It was seen online by the selling company as a donation, and on Thursday of this week, was apparently repossessed. What happened Thursday night? Snow happened. Reportedly, the baby died from exposure. The ****ing baby died because he didn't have shelter. The ****ing baby died because our government is so damn soulless it won't act. This death is not being reported in the press yet, and I will retract if this ends up being false. However, it's being reported by the same people I've given considerable money to help these people. I trust them.

So the land grab aspect of this. The people that owned the land now sitting in the flood plain lost their homes, cars, everything. They're piecing together whatever people can give them. Suppose you have a 50 acre farm that was destroyed, previously worth $250,000. Now in the flood plain, you aren't going to get help to rebuild. They will tell you such, but also turn around with, "what we can do is offer you $40,000 for your land". Desperate people will do desperate things, and accept that offer. The offer is made from the local county, financed by FEMA. That land is then the county's to do whatever it wants to, including reselling it to, oh, I don't know, a lithium miner if they so desire.

This baby thing will blow up as more information comes out. Don't be surprised to see a huge march on Raleigh in the coming weeks.
 
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There's a reason their grandpappies told them to never trust the government. This is going to be a very long post, so I'll start with a summary:

Are kids being taken away from parents in WNC? Yes
Isn't the National Guard still assisting in WNC? No
Isn't the state government assisting more in WNC? No
Isn't FEMA assisting? Bwahahahaha
Who is assisting? Private citizens and Samaritan's Purse
Is it a land grab? abso****INGlutely
Did a child die this week?!?!? Maybe

It turns out that when you ask for assistance, even from the Red Cross, that puts you in the government crosshairs. One story of a young woman, obviously with some issues, described her story. She owned a trailer near or in what looked to be Swannanoa. It was flooded, she lost every possession she owned and her car. She went to the Red Cross shelter for a week, requested assistance with shelter. After a week she returned to her trailer to get it cleaned out to attempt to live in. The county/FEMA showed up soon after and declared her trailer, and most all others in that community, condemned. 'Lo and behold, DSS showed up not long afterwards, gave her 3 business days to get a decent living space created, or she'd lose her child. 3 days went by, it still wasn't cleaned up adequately, and they removed the child. He's now in foster care more than 2 hours away. What money she was getting for aid to clean up is now being given to the foster family to care for the child. She is in a no-win situation, and no way out.

The National Guard has all but pulled out of WNC. The emergency disaster declaration has passed.

The state government has recently learned that the rainy day fund used for hurricane response is 200 million in the hole. King Cooper's director resigned in disgrace 2 days ago. The legislature has passed a response bill, the governor is sure to veto. Some additional items around election security were added, and he won't stand for those. The state response for WNC is barely anything.

FEMA still has a moderate presence in WNC. I wouldn't call it helpful. Even in emergency conditions they respond strictly by the book, except when they don't. I'm referring to the woman who was fired for only helping those who didn't have Trump signs in their yard. Consensus from WNC locals is that the same strategy was employed in WNC. Some funds have been received by locals. One man was turned down 4 times, posted his denials online for 5 million views, assisted in setting up the congressional hearings this past week, and was finally approved afterwards. The presence in WNC I would say is unwelcomed at this point. A few weeks ago the WV coal miner boys came down and rebuilt a road between Chimney Rock and Bat Cave in a few days, when government said it would take years. The county, with FEMA footing half of the cost, has now gated off that road and hired private security to ensure it stays closed.

Who is helping these poor people? Noone with the government. They've even called off the cadaver dogs. Mounds of silt/dirt/debris 40 foot tall sit everywhere, and the dogs hit in 3-4 spots in many of those mounds. Not many have been dug out yet. I still don't buy the < 200 death toll figure. It's been Samaritan's Purse and other non-profits (not NGOs) that have done the heavy lifting. For the last month they have prioritized getting shelter for these people. 150 tiny homes were put up by the Amish. Hundreds of sheds turned into a place to stay warm and dry had been created and deployed. Winter tents with wood stoves in them have also been deployed. The question is why??!? FEMA is sitting on acres and acres of campers, RVs, and the like. Some are as close as Hickory, NC. They will not dispurse them. Why? Well, sit down boys and girls, here comes the fun part!

While FEMA drags their ass at most things, the one thing they didn't drag their ass on was updating the flood maps. I think everyone that lost shelter due to this flood is now considered to be in the flood plain. They will not assist anyone with shelter in the flood plain in "rebuilding", even if it is a temporary shelter. The counties have condemned almost all of the work that the Amish and shed people did, they are unusable.

So this couple, desperate for shelter for their 18 month old, receives an RV from a church. They abandon their tent for shelter and utilize the RV. Turns out that the RV was donated from out of state, the owner was behind on payments, and had been slated for repossession either just before it was donated, or right after. It was seen online by the selling company as a donation, and on Thursday of this week, was apparently repossessed. What happened Thursday night? Snow happened. Reportedly, the baby died from exposure. The ****ing baby died because he didn't have shelter. The ****ing baby died because our government is so damn soulless it won't act. This death is not being reported in the press yet, and I will retract if this ends up being false. However, it's being reported by the same people I've given considerable money to help these people. I trust them.

So the land grab aspect of this. The people that owned the land now sitting in the flood plain lost their homes, cars, everything. They're piecing together whatever people can give them. Suppose you have a 50 acre farm that was destroyed, previously worth $250,000. Now in the flood plain, you aren't going to get help to rebuild. They will tell you such, but also turn around with, "what we can do is offer you $40,000 for your land". Desperate people will do desperate things, and accept that offer. The offer is made from the local county, financed by FEMA. That land is then the county's to do whatever it wants to, including reselling it to, oh, I don't know, a lithium miner if they so desire.

This baby thing will blow up as more information comes out. Don't be surprised to see a huge march on Raleigh in the coming weeks.
Please keep me informed on this .
I may have a camper I could donate. It's not a big one only 27' .
I have lived in it for the past 5 years traveling for work but still in respectable shape .
Our government sucks . Both sides.
 
This is your America:



Reputable people I have been following:

Tent shelters:


RVs

If things don't change:
 
WTF are you blabbering about? This has been my only username, it should be seared into your brain as many times as I've schooled you over the years.

Not my savior.
Considering I never accused you of this, you are pretty defensive. I'd suggest better reading comprehension skills before outing yourself.
 
I still don't have definitive word, however, it appears the 18 month old dying was a hoax.

I went up this past weekend to several western North Carolina towns. Obviously, the terrain had a lot of impact on who was impacted and who wasn't. If you were near any kind of stream, you were in danger. If you were below a steep incline without rock to stabilize the hillside, you were in danger. If you were on the south facing slopes, you were in danger.

I spent my time on this trip between Burnsville, Spruce Pine, and Black Mountain. I had been through Spruce Pine before, but it was never a destination. The water along the North Toe River in that area had risen 40 to 50 feet from its riverbed to the areas I had seen impacted. The river can't be more than 2-3 feet deep right now. The shops in downtown, 30 feet + above the river, were flooded and destroyed. Another 20 feet up to the main road, everything was normal. As my wife and I had discussed, this ends up being a land grab, intentional or not. It was ironic that we passed a quartz mine nearby.

FEMA was observed to be packing up, but we didn't see them. We didn't see the National Guard either. We saw Cajun Navy 2016 doing their thing near Black Mountain. They are bitter cold and getting snow now. People are living in normal tents, some without heat, and worse. One woman was living in her garage because it was the only room not damaged.

RVs, campers, and winter tents are making their way in, slowly but surely. FEMA doesn't supply these, they supply hotel vouchers. Unfortunately for those that still have jobs, but no transportation and inadequate housing, the hotels are mostly full unless you go an hour away or more. That really doesn't help much. The government is always round peg/square hole solutions, and they need to be much more agile.

I will be making another trip up next weekend.
 
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I still don't have definitive word, however, it appears the 18 month old dying was a hoax.

I went up this past weekend to several western North Carolina towns. Obviously, the terrain had a lot of impact on who was impacted and who wasn't. If you were near any kind of stream, you were in danger. If you were below a steep incline without rock to stabilize the hillside, you were in danger. If you were on the south facing slopes, you were in danger.

I spent my time on this trip between Burnsville, Spruce Pine, and Black Mountain. I had been through Spruce Pine before, but it was never a destination. The water along the North Toe River in that area had risen 40 to 50 feet from its riverbed to the areas I had seen impacted. The river can't be more than 2-3 feet deep right now. The shops in downtown, 30 feet + above the river, were flooded and destroyed. Another 20 feet up to the main road, everything was normal. As my wife and I had discussed, this ends up being a land grab, intentional or not. It was ironic that we passed a quartz mine nearby.

FEMA was observed to be packing up, but we didn't see them. We didn't see the National Guard either. We saw Cajun Navy 2016 doing their thing near Black Mountain. They are bitter cold and getting snow now. People are living in normal tents, some without heat, and worse. One woman was living in her garage because it was the only room not damaged.

RVs, campers, and winter tents are making their way in, slowly but surely. FEMA doesn't supply these, they supply hotel vouchers. Unfortunately for those that still have jobs, but no transportation and inadequate housing, the hotels are mostly full unless you go an hour away or more. That really doesn't help much. The government is always round peg/square hole solutions, and they need to be much more agile.

I will be making another trip up next weekend.
Thanks for the update.
Hope God always gives me the mindset of trying to be prepared for all that can happen so I never have to depend on the feds for help .
 
Last weekend I started focusing only on Spruce Pine. I have 2 distribution centers I'm donating to. The needs of the small things are dwindling: Cleaning supplies, heaters , and food were asked of both centers my last trip up, and that's what they received this trip. The biggest needs now are paper plates, cleaning supplies, dish and laundry detergent. I'm skipping this weekend, but the next week I will be taking 80 cases of detergent.

We talked to the lady in charge of one of the two centers, a Christian organization in rural Spruce Pine. It takes a 15 minute drive out of town and through nature to get to them. Seeing the same smashed cars and houses under trees week after week is disheartening, I can only imagine it actually being you. Labor is going to be in need for a long time. Heavy equipment and dump trucks are going to be in need for a long time. On route 126 going up the mountain, I passed/spotted at least 50 dump trucks going back and forth. Where they're taking it, I didn't see, but they're trying to clean up the downed trees. We're going into fire season in the mountains, and every time we have a dry spell, they will have fires, and this year, they will be much worse with all of the fuel on the forest bed.

The woman in charge of the center reiterated most of what I had read from the sources I trust the most: The death count is way too low, people need to report the number of missing. The National Guard came through about a week after Helene, closed down all public centers and confiscated their donated goods. Only those distribution centers on private locations (churches) were left alone. People are still in non-winter tents. FEMA is denying most aid, but offering to purchase land on local authorities' behalf. I don't know all of this to be 100% valid. I don't trust people, I don't trust government, so I'm at a standstill on most of this. I see the tents myself, that much I know to be true.

I won't stop until there is little left to do, or I can't anymore. I'll be cycling through donations as much as I can through the new year, and then I'm going to start trying to make it 3 day weekends, donating my time next year. I foresee that I will hate my chain saw at some point next year.
 
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