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mofo

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The halls mistake
Pete record setter
Baseball sucks balls

Sorry mofo
Let "us" get this Straight.

Allen & Co - is willing to forgive Pete, and continue to castrate, your
"name sake" - Teddy.

Maybe Pete needed to bet on baseball after already being a HOF Member
- do the OJ Approach.

If you can't do the time,
don't do the crime.

Bart says No Way.
From the grave, Bart Geomatti says know way.

Sorry Pete
 

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Let "us" get this Straight.

Allen & Co - is willing to forgive Pete, and continue to castrate, your
"name sake" - Teddy.

Maybe Pete needed to bet on baseball after already being a HOF Member
- do the OJ Approach.

If you can't do the time,
don't do the crime.

Bart says No Way.
From the grave, Bart Geomatti says know way.

Sorry Pete

Whitey Ford is still in the Baseball Hall of Fame even though he's confessed to cheating.

The Black Sox scandal of 1919 remains a seminal moment in baseball's history. Eight players for the Chicago White Sox were accused of taking bribes to throw the World Series. All eight were banned from baseball (despite never actually being convicted of the crimes), and baseball brought in a tough commissioner (Kenesaw Mountain Landis) to oversee the game. However, there's one man who never suffered despite his obvious role in the scandal — Hall of Fame owner Charles Comiskey.

Baseball has always had some form of hypocrisy when it comes to its exalted heroes. In theory, when it comes to these kinds of votes, it’s true that character should matter, but once you’ve already let in Ty Cobb, how can you exclude anyone else?

Cobb, along with his fellow Hall of Famer Tris Speaker, were also implicated in a game-fixing scheme.

Pitcher Gaylord Perry had a disregard for the rules that was far more patent and unashamed than any steroid user. Perry doctored baseballs with spit, Vaseline and other substances to confound hitters. All of baseball knew what Perry was doing even if he never admitted it until writing a tell-all book after his retirement.

Players have confessed to serious use of illicit recreational drugs such as Paul Molitor. Or had racetrack gambling issues like Rogers Hornsby. And Wade Boggs after an extramarital affair was exposed during his playing days, announced to Barbara Walters on national television that he was a sex addict.

As Thorn, the historian, points out, the earliest major league baseball players were disrespected, often treated like circus performers or prostitutes.

“They would be turned away from hotels,” Thorn said. “They were not considered fit for polite company. And now, today, here they are heroes and role models.”

Orlando Cepeda, imprisoned on a drug charge in the 1970s, was voted into the Hall of Fame in 1999.


 

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Yep, I hear you & i may even read your answer completely, soon.

But I could care less whether daddy grandson is a Pete legacy.

All I care about is can he play and be a productive Mountaineer.

Pete ain't getting into the Hall, sorry.

I'm not that Sorry but betting on the sport you can influence is a Felony.

Arrogance doesn't help.

Not helping Pete, Bart passes shortly after the Pete's ruling, and everyone that is anyone thinks Pete's decision didn't help Bart.
Stress
 
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Yep, I hear you & i may even read your answer completely, soon.

But I could care less whether daddy grandson is a Pete legacy.

All I care about is can he play and be a productive Mountaineer.

Pete ain't getting into the Hall, sorry.

I'm not that Sorry but betting on the sport you can influence is a Felony.

Arrogance doesn't help
Pete not the first player to bet on the games and some of those already in HOF.

But yes if his grandson can play football and is good then sign him up.
 

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Pete not the first player to bet on the games and some of those already in HOF.

But yes if his grandson can play football and is good then sign him up.
Yep, and yes.

But Pete is not a Hall of Famer.
 

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Guess you all conveniently FORGOT,
Pete signed the life time agreement.

Pete actually signed his lifetime ban.
 
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Not where this thread is going... but the crazy statistical aspect of Pete's numbers...
200-hit season is gold standard. 200 hits in 600 at-bats is .333 average.
Get 200 hits... do it 20 years in a row... and you still don't have as many hits as Rose.
I am agnostic on the HOF discussion and betting on baseball. I am just impressed with that hit total.

-Winter Tim
 

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I could care less about Major League Baseball, but they’re not having any issue with having Fan Dual, Bet MGM, and several others pour money into their pockets.
 
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We can all be fooled about elite athletes & elite competition.

There is always a fine line btwn greatness but some folks are at ease with "skirting" those fine lines.

There are other major factors.


This, that or whatever -
but in this case MLB Knows more then what MLB is willing to announce publicly.
 
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I could care less about Major League Baseball, but they’re not having any issue with having Fan Dual, Bet MGM, and several others pour money into their pockets.
They also have active players signed with a sportsbook.

It's completely asinine to think that these UBER competitive guys don't bet on baseball, and everything else under the sun.
 

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I agree with the idea of banning Pete back when it happened. But things have changed so much since then that it simply looks ridiculous now to have him banned. Promoting and making money off of gambling is a major part of MLB (and all the other major sports).

The original point of a lifetime ban for gambling was to protect the integrity of the game. But back then, the amount of money you could make by throwing a game was much larger than the amount you got paid for playing fairly. That has completely flipped now. Considering how much money players make now, a player (or manager) would be absolutely crazy to take money to throw a game. I mean, having a harsh penalty for it is still a good idea, but a lifetime ban of no further association with baseball is just silly IMO.

And "the integrity of the game" has been damaged so much now that what Pete did pales by comparison to so much other stuff anyway. There's a whole decade or two that is marred by steroids. One World Series was lost because of a strike and another had it's outcome determined by cheating. Teams purposely bring up strong prospects to the majors on the day after they'd qualify for a years service that season, thereby causing the prospect to become a free agent one year later than he otherwise would and thus potentially costing the guy millions of dollars. (That might have been remedied in the most recent labor agreement. I don't know for sure.)

MLB has a lot of problems and that fact that Pete Rose gambled while he was managing the Reds isn't one of them. MLB needs an overhaul and if I were in charge, among other things I'd let Pete Rose into that HoF. And considering he's in his 80s now and I've read he's had some health problems, time might be running out. MLB should do it while he's alive, especially considering the "banned forever for gambling" rule looks ridiculous by today's standards.
 

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Pete signed the agreement.

We can debate this, we can debate that - on a West Virginia msg board.

But obviously
Pete can't be judged for being stupid.

But betting on a sport which you personally are responsible for
Directly, is a Felony.

Like that era, steroids gave certain players an illegal advantage.

At that time, sports betting was Illegal in the state of Ohio.

No Matter
if you had 1 MLB hit
or 4300 mlb hits.
 
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Yep, he sure did. And at least half of the other players at the time, managers, field coaches, and office folks did too. And still are. To think otherwise just shows that you're willingly being ignorant and turning a blind eye.
 

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If all the drunks...drug enhancement cheaters...woman abusers...and assorted malcontents were also banned then no one else would be admitted and most in the Hall would be kicked out. Murderers get stiffer punishment than Pete Rose.
 
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Is there anyone disputing that Pete signed the agreement? No. The question is whether it's wise for MLB to continue to ban Pete.
Look at it this way,
we'll attempt another summary -

It's a Felony to bet on baseball or Sports Events, on games that this person is directly responsible for.
Felony is punishable by Jail Time.

It's also illegal to bet on sports events in the state of Ohio, at that time.
Punishable by probation & Jail Time.

These illegal bets have to coordinated by illegal means, sometimes described as Racketeering.
Normally, the Mob involvement.

Not to mention - Bart Giamatti
commissioner passed shortly after - implying Pete had direct responsibility, and additional stress.

On a Stupid Scale, Pete was definitely Stupid, arrogance.

Also,
Pete appears to be on the Steroid mlb list.

Not Eligible for MLB.



There's more, but I'm bored and
Do Not plan on other responses.
 
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Whitey Ford is still in the Baseball Hall of Fame even though he's confessed to cheating.

The Black Sox scandal of 1919 remains a seminal moment in baseball's history. Eight players for the Chicago White Sox were accused of taking bribes to throw the World Series. All eight were banned from baseball (despite never actually being convicted of the crimes), and baseball brought in a tough commissioner (Kenesaw Mountain Landis) to oversee the game. However, there's one man who never suffered despite his obvious role in the scandal — Hall of Fame owner Charles Comiskey.

Baseball has always had some form of hypocrisy when it comes to its exalted heroes. In theory, when it comes to these kinds of votes, it’s true that character should matter, but once you’ve already let in Ty Cobb, how can you exclude anyone else?

Cobb, along with his fellow Hall of Famer Tris Speaker, were also implicated in a game-fixing scheme.

Pitcher Gaylord Perry had a disregard for the rules that was far more patent and unashamed than any steroid user. Perry doctored baseballs with spit, Vaseline and other substances to confound hitters. All of baseball knew what Perry was doing even if he never admitted it until writing a tell-all book after his retirement.

Players have confessed to serious use of illicit recreational drugs such as Paul Molitor. Or had racetrack gambling issues like Rogers Hornsby. And Wade Boggs after an extramarital affair was exposed during his playing days, announced to Barbara Walters on national television that he was a sex addict.

As Thorn, the historian, points out, the earliest major league baseball players were disrespected, often treated like circus performers or prostitutes.

“They would be turned away from hotels,” Thorn said. “They were not considered fit for polite company. And now, today, here they are heroes and role models.”

Orlando Cepeda, imprisoned on a drug charge in the 1970s, was voted into the Hall of Fame in 1999.


Feel sure some used enhancers like roids….. probably a few of them made it in too.
 
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Let "us" get this Straight.

Allen & Co - is willing to forgive Pete, and continue to castrate, your
"name sake" - Teddy.

Maybe Pete needed to bet on baseball after already being a HOF Member
- do the OJ Approach.

If you can't do the time,
don't do the crime.

Bart says No Way.
From the grave, Bart Geomatti says know way.

Sorry Pete
Drugs are bad mkay?
 

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Look at it this way,
we'll attempt another summary -

It's a Felony to bet on baseball or Sports Events, on games that this person is directly responsible for.
Felony is punishable by Jail Time.

It's also illegal to bet on sports events in the state of Ohio, at that time.
Punishable by probation & Jail Time.

These illegal bets have to coordinated by illegal means, sometimes described as Racketeering.
Normally, the Mob involvement.

Not to mention - Bart Giamatti
commissioner passed shortly after - implying Pete had direct responsibility, and additional stress.

On a Stupid Scale, Pete was definitely Stupid, arrogance.

Also,
Pete appears to be on the Steroid mlb list.

Not Eligible for MLB.



There's more, but I'm bored and
Do Not plan on other responses.
MLB banned Hall of Famer Roberto Alomar. The Hall of Fame promptly said there would be no change in Alomar's status in Cooperstown.
 

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MLB banned Hall of Famer Roberto Alomar. The Hall of Fame promptly said there would be no change in Alomar's status in Cooperstown.
If you can't do the time, don't commit the crime.

Pete is NOT Eligible for MLB HOF,
no matter how much you wish to banter on a West Virginia msg board.

Doubtful, I'd want Pete visiting Morgantown and Doubtful I'd wish Pete be affiliated with WVU.

Pete is not eligible.
Pete signed agreement.

I'd rather be debating Brandy Love
 
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If you can't do the time, don't commit the crime.

Pete is NOT Eligible for MLB HOF,
no matter how much you wish to banter on a West Virginia msg board.

Doubtful, I'd want Pete visiting Morgantown and Doubtful I'd wish Pete be affiliated with WVU.

Pete is not eligible.
Pete signed agreement.

I'd rather be debating Brandy Love
What is there to debate on Brandy?
 
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