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Like me! [winking] You're considering who to cast your ballot for Prez in 2020? Here's what Trump is offering me:
  • Prison reform for a second chance at getting me or an ex-convicted friend a good job and a new life
  • Reforms in minimum sentencing for first time offenders and a fresh approach at sentencing guidelines designed to make the punishment fit the crime
  • Strong support for Law enforcement, and the rule of Law to make our neighborhoods safer
  • stricter border enforcement to prevent illegal aliens from stealing vital social services
  • Crackdown on illegal alien gangs and drug runners terrorizing law abiding citizens
  • Low cost job training funded through private/public entrepreneurs looking to expand in inner cities (minority outreach through HUD)
  • The best market for unskilled labor since the 60's, and lowest African-American jobless rate ever recorded in history
  • seed capital and strategic advice for writing business plans helping me to create my own business
  • tax free enterprise zones to speed up creation of minority owned community banks, real estate, housing, and businesses
  • TIF bonds (tax increment financing) to attract new jobs near neighborhoods where I live
  • School choice vouchers to help me put my kids into better private or public charter schools
  • permanent tax cuts to middle class workers to help us keep more of what we earn
  • changes in compulsory Union membership so I can negotiate for higher wages on my own
  • a revolution in American energy production promising higher paying jobs and stability through energy independence and America selling energy to the world
  • a promise to rebuild and replace the nation's infrastructure, again with prospects for long term well paying jobs
  • repatriation of American investment capital to revitalize our steel, automobile, and heavy manufacturing industries. Again with prospects for long term stable employment
  • The best consumer confidence and business optimism ever recorded, leading to increased economic opportunity, more jobs and higher wages for a better standard of living
  • A strong and diverse investment and savings stock market, driving further business expansions and hiring, more personal savings, and rapid improvements in individual retirement accounts
  • consumer health care choices to help me find more affordable health insurance and care services for my Family or myself without government imposed mandates driving up costs
  • confidence that America can be great, and fulfill its promise of equal opportunity for all, a safe secure environment for my kids, and respect for me as an individual who loves Freedom rather than dependence on Government handouts and set asides that trap me into poverty.
OK...that's what Trump is offering me in 2020 as a Black voter. This is his agenda. So let's pretend one of you Leftists is running for President opposite Trump...let's hear your plans for me that tops this agenda?

(This is no "got cha" question...Democrats will have to respond to this agenda with one of their own if they hope to keep African American votes) So, let me hear it from the Left...the Democrat alternative to Trump's request for my vote and what you Democrats are offering in exchange for it? What's the Democrat/Socialist alternative to this national, and personal economic agenda?

"A little louder please from the Left?"
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(Don't worry Lamar my Man...I can't hear 'em either):stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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FREE healthcare thats what im seeing, not that i want agree with it , & that platform alone will win in the cities

If it's "free" we can't afford it roadtrasheer!:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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It's really telling and sad no one on the Left has any response to Trump's agenda for African Americans and in fact the entire nation! On second thought maybe it isn't so bad? After Democrats get dismantled in the 2020 election losing more than half of their traditional Black support because of their lack of a response to this agenda, it will be a great thing!:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Any of you Leftists scoffing at this post, are welcomed to post your alternatives or face certain defeat.

(Yes...even if Hillary runs again)
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FREE healthcare thats what im seeing, not that i want agree with it , & that platform alone will win in the cities

It's easy to offer "free" stuff roadtrasheer when you're forcing someone else to pay for it![eyeroll] Democrats are very generous with OPM (other people's money) but they are some stingy desperados with their own loot aren't they?
 
Seriously now...I read you guys on the Left like @tjebarr @moe @Keyser76 and @CpEER constantly attacking Trump on everything from the way he combs his hair to the lies he allegedly tells about his weight! Here in this thread now you have a substantive, factual, policy driven narrative that I am waiting for just one of you to counter with substantive, factual, policy driven alternatives from the Left? o_O The fact none of you has any response to any of this tells me more about how intellectually vacant your side is than even YOU are!

What I simply cannot figure out is why you all continue to vote for leaders who have no answers for you to defeat Trump's agenda? :confused: It's like they're (Democrat leadership) marching you all off to get slaughtered and not even giving you any weapons to defend yourselves!:scream:

Why are you all sacrificing your political futures with such a bunch of no count absentee losers? I thought you Leftists were smarter than that? [winking]

Can't at least one of you speak up for the winning side, the "people's agenda" that will put Trump away once and for all? Isn't that what you all want? Isn't that what the constant personal attacks are designed to do?

So how's that working out for 'ya?

Say Bro my Man?...do the Dems have 'yo vote in 2020 over Trump?
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Well Kushner certainly has gotten little recognition for his prison reform work, but it should matter to minority prisoners that were harshly sentenced for non violent crimes. Alice Johnson is the text book example. Others are going to get a second chance. Great for them and their families.

But urban areas voted for health care and support for Republican candidates in those areas was poor. House is lost and Maxine has check book. Just don’t see where the population areas vote has changed for the under ballots. Going to see investigations out the as.

Don’t even think it is a white black thing any mggmore. It’s more urban vs rural. And if DT wants to keep that rural base, he better find a way to sell more soy beans and corn. The urban vote is solidly against him. And in spite of all the good he has done, he fights the like ability image battle with a biased media. Every minute of every day.
 
Well Kushner certainly has gotten little recognition for his prison reform work, but it should matter to minority prisoners that were harshly sentenced for non violent crimes. Alice Johnson is the text book example. Others are going to get a second chance. Great for them and their families.

But urban areas voted for health care and support for Republican candidates in those areas was poor. House is lost and Maxine has check book. Just don’t see where the population areas vote has changed for the under ballots. Going to see investigations out the as.

Don’t even think it is a white black thing any mggmore. It’s more urban vs rural. And if DT wants to keep that rural base, he better find a way to sell more soy beans and corn. The urban vote is solidly against him. And in spite of all the good he has done, he fights the like ability image battle with a biased media. Every minute of every day.

He is his own worst enemy. I said from the day he was elected he needed to at least try to befriend the media. Instead he attacked. Had he led the fight for DACA reform instead of playing partisan politics he would have swayed voters. He he tried to reform healthcare as promised he sways more voters.

I have said numerous times, he has the opportunity to go down as a great leader and a great president. He still may. Instead he further divides us, has no real domestic agenda, and acts childish. He is his own worst enemy.
 
He is his own worst enemy. I said from the day he was elected he needed to at least try to befriend the media. Instead he attacked. Had he led the fight for DACA reform instead of playing partisan politics he would have swayed voters. He he tried to reform healthcare as promised he sways more voters.

I have said numerous times, he has the opportunity to go down as a great leader and a great president. He still may. Instead he further divides us, has no real domestic agenda, and acts childish. He is his own worst enemy.
Don’t agree with this at all. He has been true to his promises. He is just too much into the fight.
 
But we can afford to send the president on campaign trips, rallies, golf outings, and tanning trips? GTFO you hypocrite

Obama presided over more debt than all of his previous predecessors combined. COMBINED. Now if you're upset with Trump's spending on things we've always spent money on running the Executive branch (and I agree Trump spends too much) Then why the "hypocrisy" charge against only me and not Trump's predecessor?

Explain.
 
Instead he further divides us, has no real domestic agenda,

You can't be serious after I posted this? (below) Maybe you can explain then what's the Democrat alternative?

Here's what Trump is offering me:
  • Prison reform for a second chance at getting me or an ex-convicted friend a good job and a new life
  • Reforms in minimum sentencing for first time offenders and a fresh approach at sentencing guidelines designed to make the punishment fit the crime
  • Strong support for Law enforcement, and the rule of Law to make our neighborhoods safer
  • stricter border enforcement to prevent illegal aliens from stealing vital social services
  • Crackdown on illegal alien gangs and drug runners terrorizing law abiding citizens
  • Low cost job training funded through private/public entrepreneurs looking to expand in inner cities (minority outreach through HUD)
  • The best market for unskilled labor since the 60's, and lowest African-American jobless rate ever recorded in history
  • seed capital and strategic advice for writing business plans helping me to create my own business
  • tax free enterprise zones to speed up creation of minority owned community banks, real estate, housing, and businesses
  • TIF bonds (tax increment financing) to attract new jobs near neighborhoods where I live
  • School choice vouchers to help me put my kids into better private or public charter schools
  • permanent tax cuts to middle class workers to help us keep more of what we earn
  • changes in compulsory Union membership so I can negotiate for higher wages on my own
  • a revolution in American energy production promising higher paying jobs and stability through energy independence and America selling energy to the world
  • a promise to rebuild and replace the nation's infrastructure, again with prospects for long term well paying jobs
  • repatriation of American investment capital to revitalize our steel, automobile, and heavy manufacturing industries. Again with prospects for long term stable employment
  • The best consumer confidence and business optimism ever recorded, leading to increased economic opportunity, more jobs and higher wages for a better standard of living
  • A strong and diverse investment and savings stock market, driving further business expansions and hiring, more personal savings, and rapid improvements in individual retirement accounts
  • consumer health care choices to help me find more affordable health insurance and care services for my Family or myself without government imposed mandates driving up costs
  • confidence that America can be great, and fulfill its promise of equal opportunity for all, a safe secure environment for my kids, and respect for me as an individual who loves Freedom rather than dependence on Government handouts and set asides that trap me into poverty.
 
Like me! [winking] You're considering who to cast your ballot for Prez in 2020? Here's what Trump is offering me:
  • Prison reform for a second chance at getting me or an ex-convicted friend a good job and a new life
  • Reforms in minimum sentencing for first time offenders and a fresh approach at sentencing guidelines designed to make the punishment fit the crime
  • Strong support for Law enforcement, and the rule of Law to make our neighborhoods safer
  • stricter border enforcement to prevent illegal aliens from stealing vital social services
  • Crackdown on illegal alien gangs and drug runners terrorizing law abiding citizens
  • Low cost job training funded through private/public entrepreneurs looking to expand in inner cities (minority outreach through HUD)
  • The best market for unskilled labor since the 60's, and lowest African-American jobless rate ever recorded in history
  • seed capital and strategic advice for all in creating business plans helping us to create our own business
  • tax free enterprise zones to speed up creation of locally owned community banks, real estate, housing, and businesses
  • TIF bonds (tax increment financing) to attract new jobs near neighborhoods where we live
  • School choice vouchers to help me put my kids into better private and/or public charter schools
  • permanent tax cuts to middle class workers to help us keep more of what we earn
  • changes in compulsory Union membership so we can negotiate for higher wages on my own
  • a revolution in American energy production promising higher paying jobs and stability through energy independence and America selling energy to the world
  • a promise to rebuild and replace the nation's infrastructure, again with prospects for long term well paying jobs
  • repatriation of American investment capital to revitalize our steel, automobile, and heavy manufacturing industries. Again with prospects for long term stable employment
  • The best consumer confidence and business optimism ever recorded, leading to increased economic opportunity, more jobs and higher wages for a better standard of living
  • A strong and diverse investment and savings stock market, driving further business expansions and hiring, more personal savings, and rapid improvements in individual retirement accounts
  • consumer health care choices to help me find more affordable health insurance and care services for my Family or myself without government imposed mandates driving up costs
  • confidence that America is great, and will become greater in fulfilling its promise of equal opportunity for all. and a safe secure environment for my kids, and respect for me and mine.
  • OK...that's what Trump is offering me in 2020 as a Black voter. This is his agenda. So let's pretend one of you Leftists is running for President opposite Trump...let's hear your plans for me that tops this agenda?

(This is no "got cha" question...Democrats will have to respond to this agenda with one of their own if they hope to keep African American votes) So, let me hear it from the Left...the Democrat alternative to Trump's request for my vote and what you Democrats are offering in exchange for it? What's the Democrat/Socialist alternative to this national, and personal economic agenda?

"A little louder please from the Left?"

Here is my solution; it is much like yours with the exception that it pertains to all Americans.
I took the liberty of changing it to read as such--no disrespect intended. Items appearing in green are my my changes. Items appearing in red are deletions.
I know Mr. Trump has alluded to these items and did so with some as promises made during his campaign. Two years later, some items have been attended to, some have not. Ask the American
citizens of Puerto Rico about infrastructure. The "tax break" will come to light shortly. Millons of dollars being spent on military at the border whose mission is limited by Law -- Posse Comatatus.


Citizens
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(Don't worry Teddy my Man...I can't hear 'em either):stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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I understand your sentiment Finney and the changes you made. (good ones) I was speaking from my position as a Black voter in the post...but I agree Trump's agenda ultimately is for all of us. I thought I had made that clear by this statement:

confidence that America can be great, and fulfill its promise of equal opportunity for all,

If I didn't, then your changes certainly make it clearer. Good job!:clap:
 
I understand your sentiment Finney and the changes you made. (good ones) I was speaking from my position as a Black voter in the post...but I agree Trump's agenda ultimately is for all of us. I thought I had made that clear by this statement:



If I didn't, then your changes certainly make it clearer. Good job!:clap:

If black voters really want Trump to represent them, offer him a chance at a headline. He is like Patton, give him a headline and he is good for another 25 miles.

Really surprised more leaders have not used this approach.
 
Well Kushner certainly has gotten little recognition for his prison reform work, but it should matter to minority prisoners that were harshly sentenced for non violent crimes. Alice Johnson is the text book example. Others are going to get a second chance. Great for them and their families.

But urban areas voted for health care and support for Republican candidates in those areas was poor. House is lost and Maxine has check book. Just don’t see where the population areas vote has changed for the under ballots. Going to see investigations out the as.

Don’t even think it is a white black thing any mggmore. It’s more urban vs rural. And if DT wants to keep that rural base, he better find a way to sell more soy beans and corn. The urban vote is solidly against him. And in spite of all the good he has done, he fights the like ability image battle with a biased media. Every minute of every day.

I agree the media didn't cover the prison reform story, and generally doesn't cover Trump's minority outreach...hardly ever mentions the record low unemployment among Blacks either.

Why not?

Because the narrative is Trump's a racist who hates Blacks and doesn't care anything about them. They can't tell their audience he's signed significant prison reform, and is working to revitalize blighted neighborhoods where they live so they can own their own businesses! That would mean they've been lying about him being a racist who hates Black people!

Can't do that. So they just ignore any good news when it comes to Blacks and Trump. Did you see any coverage of this a couple of weeks before the mid term elections? Of course not...I rest my case.

https://www.rollcall.com/video/watch_young_black_conservatives_show_support_for_trump_at_white_house
 
He pays for the secret service? The transport of the car? The maintenance of AF1?

When have we NOT paid for those things OM1? What President has donated his entire salary back to the Federal Government? Of course he (Trump) gets zero credit from you for that right?

Hypocrisy?

You define it.
 
But we can afford to send the president on campaign trips, rallies, golf outings, and tanning trips? GTFO you hypocrite

We really can't OM1. Taxpayers foot most of that bill as you already know, and I agree with you Trump can afford to pay for his own golf trips, tanning sessions, and campaign trips through the RNC. Secret Service, AF1, ...we can cover that.[smoke]
 
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Teddy? Bridgewater? That’s Lamar Jackson, ya big dummy.

Hey @CpEER am I officially off 'ignore' ?:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: If I am, why don't you take a stab at the Democrat alternative to Trump's minority outreach? Don't you care about Black voters on the Left, or are you going to be a racist like Trump?
 
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Donald doesn’t tan either. Just spays his on.

Show me any pasty White dude who doesn't try to add a little color to his complexion however he can? Besides, Trump's true color deep down is green [smoke]
 
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I agree the media didn't cover the prison reform story, and generally doesn't cover Trump's minority outreach...hardly ever mentions the record low unemployment among Blacks either.

Why not?

Because the narrative is Trump's a racist who hates Blacks and doesn't care anything about them. They can't tell their audience he's signed significant prison reform, and is working to revitalize blighted neighborhoods where they live so they can own their own businesses! That would mean they've been lying about him being a racist who hates Black people!

Can't do that. So they just ignore any good news when it comes to Blacks and Trump. Did you see any coverage of this a couple of weeks before the mid term elections? Of course not...I rest my case.

https://www.rollcall.com/video/watch_young_black_conservatives_show_support_for_trump_at_white_house

Trump does not hate black people. Well, maybe black reporters forCNN, MSNBC or NY Times.
 
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Trump does not hate black people. Well, maybe black reporters forCNN, MSNBC or NY Times.

Hey @JWG66 you seem pretty level headed, why do you suppose the media is afraid to report on the inroads Trump is making with African Americans?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/among-black-voters-trumps-popularity-inches-upward-1541547594

excerpt:
President Trump’s approval rating among blacks stood at 40% in a Rasmussen poll two days before Halloween. Black voters are critical to Democratic prospects in 2020. Two years ago, blacks did not turn out in the numbers Hillary Clinton was expecting, and people in heavily black neighborhoods who did cast a ballot voted more Republican than they had in 2012. It was a double whammy for liberals, who know that if a large segment of the black vote is even in play in 2020, the Democratic Party is in trouble

*(note: you may have to subscribe to WSJ to read full article)

Well because I'm a nice guy I copied the entire article below....but you Leftist free loaders should subscribe to the WSJ...you all might learn something! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Full article
Among Black Voters, Trump’s Popularity Inches Upward
The president has a tin ear when it comes to race, but African-Americans are better off than before.



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By
Jason L. Riley
Nov. 6, 2018 6:39 p.m. ET



President Trump’s approval rating among blacks stood at 40% in a Rasmussen poll two days before Halloween. Rasmussen surveys are often friendlier to the president than those of other polling organizations, so critics are quick to dismiss them as outliers. In this instance, however, that could be a mistake.

Black voters are critical to Democratic prospects in 2020. Two years ago, blacks did not turn out in the numbers Hillary Clinton was expecting, and people in heavily black neighborhoods who did cast a ballot voted more Republican than they had in 2012. It was a double whammy for liberals, who know that if a large segment of the black vote is even in play in 2020, the Democratic Party is in trouble. And while the Rasmussen number is almost certainly too high, other polling suggests that the improvement in Mr. Trump’s standing among blacks is real.


Notwithstanding his “birther” baggage and relative disinterest in courting blacks on the campaign trail, Mr. Trump won support from 8% of all black voters and 13% of black men in 2016, according to exit polls. During his first year in office, the president’s support among women, whites and younger voters declined, yet black support swelled. During 2017, SurveyMonkey found, 23% of black men and 11% of black women approved of Mr. Trump’s performance. “Black men are one of the few groups for which Trump’s 2017 average approval rating significantly exceeds his 2016 vote share,” the Atlantic’s Ronald Brownstein wrote in January.

The trend has continued. A June poll from the Pew Research Center found Mr. Trump’s approval rating among blacks at 14%, and an NAACP survey released in August put it at 21%. A large majority of blacks, especially women, continue to oppose the president. And telling a pollster that you approve of Mr. Trump’s job performance does not necessarily mean that you will vote for him. Between 1982 and 1985, black approval of Ronald Reagan nearly tripled, to 28% from 10%, but Republicans saw no significant uptick in black support for George H.W. Bush in 1988.


Most media coverage of the president gives the impression that black antipathy is universal, but that’s a left-wing fantasy. The black voters I interviewed after the 2016 election told me that they hadn’t supported Mr. Trump but were willing to give him a chance. Could it be that the president’s black support has grown because blacks are more interested in results than rhetoric?

Writing in National Review last week, Deroy Murdock suggested that more blacks have been warming to the president for the simple reason that their fortunes have improved on his watch. Some 1.2 million additional blacks have found work since Mr. Trump was elected, and rates of black unemployment and poverty have dipped to generational lows. Black homeownership has risen, and so have wages for black workers as the labor market has tightened. This is a reversal of trends during President Obama’s time in office, when black homeownership declined and the black-white poverty gap widened.

It’s too soon to tell if any of this will result in more black votes for Mr. Trump and his party in two years, but it does help explain the disconnect between the polling on black attitudes toward the president and the commentary on news outlets like CNN. The president’s tin ear on race—reflected in his Twitter spats with black athletes and his clumsy response to the Charlottesville rioting, among other instances—is unfortunate but hardly the sum of his time in office. And why should it be, especially for blacks or anyone who struggled under the previous president but is now doing much better?

One lesson of the Obama presidency is that black economic success doesn’t flow naturally from black political success. Electing a president who understands economic growth turns out to be more important than electing someone who happens to share your racial or ethnic background. Mr. Obama needed black voters to reach the White House, but it’s not at all clear that black voters needed him. If blacks felt strongly that the previous administration’s policies were improving their lives, they would have done more to help elect Mrs. Clinton. And if Democrats don’t want their next presidential nominee to meet a similar fate, they’ll stop dismissing out of hand any evidence that the president’s black support has risen since 2016.

There’s nothing to stop Mr. Trump from making a concerted effort to build on his base of minority support by visiting more black communities, explaining his agenda, and listening to what the residents have to say. Liberal activists and the press won’t give him much credit for it. But come 2020, more black voters might.

Appeared in the November 7, 2018, print edition.
 
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Obama presided over more debt than all of his previous predecessors combined. COMBINED. Now if you're upset with Trump's spending on things we've always spent money on running the Executive branch (and I agree Trump spends too much) Then why the "hypocrisy" charge against only me and not Trump's predecessor?

Explain.

Atl, your messiah will exceed Obama’s cumulative debt even if the economy stays strong. If it goes south, it will be an epic disaster. But your IQ is at a point where simple math and Econ 101 just doesn’t make sense to you. I feel bad for you.
 
Atl, your messiah will exceed Obama’s cumulative debt even if the economy stays strong. If it goes south, it will be an epic disaster. But your IQ is at a point where simple math and Econ 101 just doesn’t make sense to you. I feel bad for you.

Don't feel sorry for me...feel sorry for your party which has ZERO answers for Trump's agenda I outlined in post # 1 (ZERO, Nada, Nyet, Nothing, Zippo, Zilch, Goose egg))

You can count that high can't you @Original Mountaineer1 ?
 
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But your IQ is at a point where simple math and Econ 101 just doesn’t make sense to you

Instead of being such a condescending snob (I know you can't help it) why don't you address with some substance whatever the Hell the Democrat agenda is to counter Trump's plan to not only keep our economy growing and stronger, but steal Black votes away from Democrats while doing so?

Did you read that Wall Street Journal article I copied? I know you can read right? So what's the Democrat response? Show me how advanced your intellect is over Trump's. He's a doofus compared to you right OM1? So dissect his agenda and show us yours or the Left's superior plan?

Stop being so arrogant...let's talk policy.
 
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