Let's look at the record

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.

Rodriguez was 61-26 for his seven seasons, which averages out to 9-4, strangely the same as Bill Stewart, so Dana is 2 victories per season behind both Stewart and Rodriguez.

Rich won the Pac-12 South in 2014, so he’s still a good coach. Michigan proved to be a meat-grinder for several coaches, including RR, which is why the Wolverines put all their eggs in Harbagh’s basket.

Don Nehlen was 7-4 average for his 21 seasons, which also puts him ahead of Dana, but not by much.

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

Frank Cignetti was 17-27, so Dana isn’t that bad. Not exactly something to trumpet about.

Bobby Bowden was 42-26 for his six seasons, a 7-4 average. I’m rounding it off.

Jim Carlen was 25-13-1 for his four seasons, for 6-3 average.

So that makes Dana’s season W-L average the 2nd worst at WVU in 49 years. Again, it’s hard to get excited about Dana’s head coaching.

I’d be happy for Dana to prove me wrong. Frank Beamer did even worse at Virginia Tech till the Hokies caught lightning in a bottle.

 

[AirForceer]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.

Rodriguez was 61-26 for his seven seasons, which averages out to 9-4, strangely the same as Bill Stewart, so Dana is 2 victories per season behind both Stewart and Rodriguez.

Rich won the Pac-12 South in 2014, so he’s still a good coach. Michigan proved to be a meat-grinder for several coaches, including RR, which is why the Wolverines put all their eggs in Harbagh’s basket.

Don Nehlen was 7-4 average for his 21 seasons, which also puts him ahead of Dana, but not by much.

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

Frank Cignetti was 17-27, so Dana isn’t that bad. Not exactly something to trumpet about.

Bobby Bowden was 42-26 for his six seasons, a 7-4 average. I’m rounding it off.

Jim Carlen was 25-13-1 for his four seasons, for 6-3 average.

So that makes Dana’s season W-L average the 2nd worst at WVU in 49 years. Again, it’s hard to get excited about Dana’s head coaching.

I’d be happy for Dana to prove me wrong. Frank Beamer did even worse at Virginia Tech till the Hokies caught lightning in a bottle.

Honestly, do you think the Big East was as a good as the Big12?

 

[WESTBGVA]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.

Rodriguez was 61-26 for his seven seasons, which averages out to 9-4, strangely the same as Bill Stewart, so Dana is 2 victories per season behind both Stewart and Rodriguez.

Rich won the Pac-12 South in 2014, so he’s still a good coach. Michigan proved to be a meat-grinder for several coaches, including RR, which is why the Wolverines put all their eggs in Harbagh’s basket.

Don Nehlen was 7-4 average for his 21 seasons, which also puts him ahead of Dana, but not by much.

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

Frank Cignetti was 17-27, so Dana isn’t that bad. Not exactly something to trumpet about.

Bobby Bowden was 42-26 for his six seasons, a 7-4 average. I’m rounding it off.

Jim Carlen was 25-13-1 for his four seasons, for 6-3 average.

So that makes Dana’s season W-L average the 2nd worst at WVU in 49 years. Again, it’s hard to get excited about Dana’s head coaching.

I’d be happy for Dana to prove me wrong. Frank Beamer did even worse at Virginia Tech till the Hokies caught lightning in a bottle.

for the sake of all that's holy and my eyes, would you please shit can that stupid red font..?

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

"Don't bring up Big East / Big XII crap"

You had to have worked in the newspaper industry to make such a totally ignorant statement. This intelligence is partly why that industry is dying faster than shopping malls and people 40 and under wont read them if the cost is free.

Look at something called SOS. Jeff Sagarin is pretty famous for it. He's published in the last major newspaper still clinging to profitability outside the WSJ. He knows his stuff. You could learn a lot. Well maybe.

Dana has played SOSs tougher in the Big XII than any WVU coach. For instance last season, the SOS was like 12. Year before that was ranked 8th after the regular season and before bowl season (we didn't play a 13th game). First season in Big XII the SOS was 29. His first season @ WVU in 2011 vs the Big LEAST was like 57 and WVU went 10-3.

Bill Stewart had 3 seasons that had ranks for SOS of 47, 31, & 60 from 08-10.

Dick played schedules at WVU from 01-07 that ranked 35 (toughest and 3-8 was the result), 54, 56, 65, 43, 37, & 45 in terms of SOS.

Nehlens last season in 2000 when he went 7-5, the SOS was 19.

BTW Donald Eugene Nehlen averaged a 7-5 season at WVU and went to the college football HOF. Hmmh I guess the SOS does matter!

Its why Boise State and other MWC schools can win 10 games a year, but since the SOS typically ranks about 100 or higher, they're not getting a lot of respect. Same is true for schools that play the sisters of the poor and brothers of the blind in the other G5 conferences.

Unless you're drunk or trying to just stir stuff up, you're as out there as Fufari. Try thinking. Its not hard.

 

[doneagain]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.

Rodriguez was 61-26 for his seven seasons, which averages out to 9-4, strangely the same as Bill Stewart, so Dana is 2 victories per season behind both Stewart and Rodriguez.

Rich won the Pac-12 South in 2014, so he’s still a good coach. Michigan proved to be a meat-grinder for several coaches, including RR, which is why the Wolverines put all their eggs in Harbagh’s basket.

Don Nehlen was 7-4 average for his 21 seasons, which also puts him ahead of Dana, but not by much.

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

Frank Cignetti was 17-27, so Dana isn’t that bad. Not exactly something to trumpet about.

Bobby Bowden was 42-26 for his six seasons, a 7-4 average. I’m rounding it off.

Jim Carlen was 25-13-1 for his four seasons, for 6-3 average.

So that makes Dana’s season W-L average the 2nd worst at WVU in 49 years. Again, it’s hard to get excited about Dana’s head coaching.

I’d be happy for Dana to prove me wrong. Frank Beamer did even worse at Virginia Tech till the Hokies caught lightning in a bottle.

GIVE IT AN EFF'ING REST ALREADY!

STEWART IS DEAD. RODRIGUEZ IS IN ARIZONA. LUCK IS IN INDIANAPOLIS. PASTILONG IS RETIRED. HOLGORSEN IS OUR PRESENT COACH.

GET THE EFF OVER IT ALREADY. LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT. SEEK COUNSELING. WHAT-THE-EFF-EVER.

JUST STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE. IT'S BEEN FOUR DAMN YEARS AND WE ARE GETTING READY TO START THE FIFTH.

MOVE THE HELL ON!!!

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Honestly, do you think the Big East was as a good as the Big12?

reading comprehension problem?

avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda,

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

So, how bad will WVU's record have to be before you decide it's not Dana's fault, but the Big 12 schedule? Shouldn't the Mountaineers have a coaching staff that can at least finish in the upper half of the Big 12 each year? TCU did it, and it came from the Mountain West Conference, I believe. That's several notches below the Big East. How can you explain away WVU in the Big 12 and yet ignore that TCU made the jump, and won the damn title? Every time you use an excuse for WVU, TCU fans must be laughing their asses off about you. Just win, baby, whether you're in the MAC, the Big East or the Big 12. W-L year after year tells the tale. Dana needs to pull this act together in 2015 or WVU will join Iowa State and Kansas at the bottom of the Big 12 standings annually. No more excuses! More W's, less L's and definitely no more excuses.

 

[Thumper]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.
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Was this a joke? Please tell me you're just yanking someone's chain. Hate on Dana all you want, but ignoring the gigantic disparity between trying to win games in the Big East Bill Stewart and Rich faced versus trying to win versus Oklahoma, Baylor, TCU, Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, etc. over a stretch of games is just idiotic. You can't ignore the quality of competition in any sport....ever. Why waste people's time with completely invalid, nonsense comparisons?

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[torontoeers]

So CFE how do you really think they will do this year? I see 8-4 if the D lives up to expectations, Howard shows some growth, the backs do as expected, a receiver or 2 steps up with a solid season, and most of all imo we commit even 1/3 less the gaffes on Special Teams...this cost us huge last year and I am highly optimistic it WILL be fixed......If they have a 'winning'season running this gaunlet of road games will you be placated In some way?....If they go .500 or worse come talk to me...or maybe don't I'll be pissed...

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Not one of those other coaches made a jump into a league like we did when we joined the B12. None of them It's very disingenuous for CFE to make his observations while pushing the differences between conferences aside. When we joined the BE we still largely played against teams which had already on our schedule over the years.

I would say that this is the year that serious evaluation of Holgorsen's program begins.

I'm sorry CFE. But you're starting to sound like your friend Mickey.

 

[saltydog8159]

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

CFE you become Fufariesque with this statement. Do you also deny that there was a defecit in the number of quality underclass athletes upon Dana's arrival? If so you have lost all credebility here.

 

[eers-to-ya]

I live about 7 miles from CFE. I thank God I have well water.

 

[43rd Parallel]

"Don't bring up Big East / Big XII crap"

You had to have worked in the newspaper industry to make such a totally ignorant statement. This intelligence is partly why that industry is dying faster than shopping malls and people 40 and under wont read them if the cost is free.

Look at something called SOS. Jeff Sagarin is pretty famous for it. He's published in the last major newspaper still clinging to profitability outside the WSJ. He knows his stuff. You could learn a lot. Well maybe.

... Its why Boise State and other MWC schools can win 10 games a year, but since the SOS typically ranks about 100 or higher, they're not getting a lot of respect. Same is true for schools that play the sisters of the poor and brothers of the blind in the other G5 conferences.

Unless you're drunk or trying to just stir stuff up, you're as out there as Fufari. Try thinking. Its not hard.

Your argument is a strong one and seems quite sensible, but why deliver it with an ad hominem attack? Or are we to conclude that engineers tend to be boors who don't know the difference between it's and its?

 

[GoWVU]

I absolutely love all the SOS/changing conferences talk that some here seem to think is Holgorsen's get-out-of-jail-free card.

Apparently none of those people are aware of and/or willing to admit that WVU is not the only program which climbed from what is now a non-P5 league to the higher level of competition since 2011.

A) Utah
B) TCU
C) West Virginia
D) Rutgers

Guess which is the only one of the four who has failed to win at least 8 games yet in their new conference? Guess who also is the only one of the four who has not yet won a bowl game for their new league?

Do you honestly believe WVU was in that much poorer of a position than ALL of those schools so as to be hurt that much worse by the change in leagues? I don't buy it.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

CFE - I'll sum up the WVU coaches so you don't have to waste the last years of your life posting the same redundant shit every other day.

Holgorsen - average head coach
Stewart - average head coach
Rich - very good head coach
Nehlen - very good head coach
Bowden - outstanding head coach, one of the best ever.
Cignetti - don't know anything about him, nor do i care to.

Give it a rest old man.

 

[saltydog8159]

I absolutely love all the SOS/changing conferences talk that some here seem to think is Holgorsen's get-out-of-jail-free card.

Apparently none of those people are aware of and/or willing to admit that WVU is not the only program which climbed from what is now a non-P5 league to the higher level of competition since 2011.

A) Utah
B) TCU
C) West Virginia
D) Rutgers

Guess which is the only one of the four who has failed to win at least 8 games yet in their new conference? Guess who also is the only one of the four who has not yet won a bowl game for their new league?

Do you honestly believe WVU was in that much poorer of a position than ALL of those schools so as to be hurt that much worse by the change in leagues? I don't buy it.

I think you etter check your facts in this post.

 

[writeon]

Be careful CFE, You're sounding more like Mickey every day.

 

[GoWVU]

I think you etter check your facts in this post.

Feel free to point out anything factual I stated which is not true.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Your argument is a strong one and seems quite sensible, but why deliver it with an ad hominem attack? Or are we to conclude that engineers tend to be boors who don't know the difference between it's and its?

Thank you for your compliment. I try to use logic. I also get frustrated when people act WVU has always played this tough of a schedule as in there's no difference between the Big east version two point O t and Big XII. Yeah sure.
That's why the nickname was BIG LEAST nationally.

I also get tired of the same old same old. AND I CANT FIND OUT HOW TO IGNORE SOMEONE ON THIS NEW FORMAT. It would help me stay out of stuff.

Btw I use a cell phone and I got big thumbs and a small screen so "its" is going to be "it's" and vice versa. I have been hitting the reply to thread button by accident a lot this week also due to those big thumbs too.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Honestly, do you think the Big East was as a good as the Big12?

at times it was..someone posted that the BE had never won a national championship in football, which is not true..Miami won two while a member..1991 and 2003.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I live about 7 miles from CFE. I thank God I have well water.

[cheers]:sunglasses:

Good shot! 7 miles, huh? Let me draw a circle 7 miles from Cuyahoga Falls. A Kent looney?

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Be careful CFE, You're sounding more like Mickey every day.

I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[concordmountaineer]

I love the Mountaineers but fans like CFE makes me ashamed of our fans.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

at times it was..someone posted that the BE had never won a national championship in football, which is not true..Miami won two while a member..1991 and 2003.

lmao!!! It was never as good as the Big 12. It was a one man rodeo show with Miami.

 

[WESTBGVA]

in 2006 the BE with only eight teams, was 5-0 in bowls..that included Rutgers blowing out K-State in the Texas bowl and this was after Miami left...trying to justify 7-6, 4-8, 7-6 by minimizing our BCS wins and past accomplishments doesn't wash..we got smoked by Syracuse in the Pinstripe..

 

[CAJUNEER]

7-5 is WVU’s season average for its HISTORY.

Holgorsen’s 28-23 averages out to 7-6, which makes him barely below WVU’s average.

Bill Stewart averaged exactly 9-4 (three seasons of 9-4), which puts him at least 2 victories up on Dana per season. Don’t bring up Big East/Big 12 crap.

Rodriguez was 61-26 for his seven seasons, which averages out to 9-4, strangely the same as Bill Stewart, so Dana is 2 victories per season behind both Stewart and Rodriguez.

Rich won the Pac-12 South in 2014, so he’s still a good coach. Michigan proved to be a meat-grinder for several coaches, including RR, which is why the Wolverines put all their eggs in Harbagh’s basket.

Don Nehlen was 7-4 average for his 21 seasons, which also puts him ahead of Dana, but not by much.

So Dana’s W-L record, avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda, is worst than any other coach at WVU in the past 35 years.

Frank Cignetti was 17-27, so Dana isn’t that bad. Not exactly something to trumpet about.

Bobby Bowden was 42-26 for his six seasons, a 7-4 average. I’m rounding it off.

Jim Carlen was 25-13-1 for his four seasons, for 6-3 average.

So that makes Dana’s season W-L average the 2nd worst at WVU in 49 years. Again, it’s hard to get excited about Dana’s head coaching.

I’d be happy for Dana to prove me wrong. Frank Beamer did even worse at Virginia Tech till the Hokies caught lightning in a bottle.

As so many have already pointed out analyses such as this one are worthless because they exclude an essential factor. Excluding SOS invalidates your whole argument.

What I see is a young coach who inherited a weak roster and who added to his misery with some bad hires and early indiscretions. I think he's grown as a coach and may yet build WVU into a contender. I think he has to continue to improve or WVU will have to go in another direction. But I think he's headed in the right direction now.

 

[WESTBGVA]

that sos really works..except it doesn't..the Big 12's two best basketball teams got knocked out in the first round by cupcakes...the BE ended the BCS era with the best BCS bowl record..

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

that sos really works..except it doesn't..the Big 12's two best basketball teams got knocked out in the first round by cupcakes...the BE ended the BCS era with the best BCS bowl record..

You're cherry picking and you're incorrect. I don't know about basketball cause to me it's an excuse to not have year round Football and I honestly watch it maybe 2 weeks a year. Picking 2 schools in 1 season on 1 weekend to judge a conclusion on SOS isn't logical.

As for the "BE ended the BCS era with the best BCS bowl record",

UGH NOT EVEN!



The Big East never sent more than 1 school a season to a bcs bowl game. In some seasons, the conference shouldn't have been allowed to send anyone (the season UConn went and the season Pitt went as well as when Cuse went and got slammed by K State) The overall record was 8-7.
This includes Miami's 3-1, VT's 0-1, & Cuse's 0-1 in the BE version 1 and WVU's 3-0, U of L's 2-0, U of Cin 0-2, and again CT & pitt getting totally embarrassed in both their games.

Btw the SEC went 17-10 and the PAC 10/12 went 13-8.


The Big East didn't have the best record by any measurable standard. Not even close.

Wikipedia is wonderful. Try it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Again though you're looking at 1 game not an entire conference over a season or time. That's cherry picking

I'm done on this.

 

[AirForceer]

reading comprehension problem?

avoiding all the excuses of Big 12 and yadda, yadda, yadda,

I can read just fine!

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Time to put grandpa in a home.......

A broken record from a broken mind

 

[WESTBGVA]

You're cherry picking and you're incorrect. I don't know about basketball cause to me it's an excuse to not have year round Football and I honestly watch it maybe 2 weeks a year. Picking 2 schools in 1 season on 1 weekend to judge a conclusion on SOS isn't logical.

As for the "BE ended the BCS era with the best BCS bowl record",

UGH NOT EVEN!



The Big East never sent more than 1 school a season to a bcs bowl game. In some seasons, the conference shouldn't have been allowed to send anyone (the season UConn went and the season Pitt went as well as when Cuse went and got slammed by K State) The overall record was 8-7.
This includes Miami's 3-1, VT's 0-1, & Cuse's 0-1 in the BE version 1 and WVU's 3-0, U of L's 2-0, U of Cin 0-2, and again CT & pitt getting totally embarrassed in both their games.

Btw the SEC went 17-10 and the PAC 10/12 went 13-8.


The Big East didn't have the best record by any measurable standard. Not even close.

Wikipedia is wonderful. Try it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Again though you're looking at 1 game not an entire conference over a season or time. That's cherry picking

I'm done on this.

you are lost. and so am I.the BCS was only in place from 1998-2013..actually WVU has the best record at 3-0 with a Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange with no losses.. but how do you go 17-10 in the BCS when it only existed for 17 years..

 

[ThePunish-EER]

in 2006 the BE with only eight teams, was 5-0 in bowls..that included Rutgers blowing out K-State in the Texas bowl and this was after Miami left...trying to justify 7-6, 4-8, 7-6 by minimizing our BCS wins and past accomplishments doesn't wash..we got smoked by Syracuse in the Pinstripe..

try paying attention to the point. Did WVU win the bcs bowls when Miami was there? Was Miami in the big east in 2006? Did WVU play themselves when they won 3 bcs bowls? I'm talking about SOS of the big east OPPONENTS minus Miami during the Miami big east years. Sorry but Syracuse and VT would be middle of the pack big 12 teams minus the 1999 VT peak season.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Bill Stewart played less top 10 opponents in his 3 seasons as Dana played this past season by Halloween.....

To commit to a context-lacking statement like the OP's simply shows one's distinct desparation, like a wounded animal backed into a corner

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Bill Stewart played less top 10 opponents in his 3 seasons as Dana played this past season by Halloween.....

To commit to a context-lacking statement like the OP's simply shows one's distinct desparation, like a wounded animal backed into a corner

Flattery will get you nowhere. There is not one factual inaccuracy in my post. You may not like it -- hell, I don't like the facts I posted -- but attacking the messenger doesn't change ONE fact that I posted. As I've said many times, I hope Dana pulls out of the tailspin because then that means my alma mater will, too. But those who make up reasons to defend Dana's performance to date do WVU no favors. Excuses won't win ball games. Good coaching, good recruiting, good game management will. It's a process. Take it from Brother.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Bill Stewart played less top 10 opponents in his 3 seasons as Dana played this past season by Halloween.....

To commit to a context-lacking statement like the OP's simply shows one's distinct desparation, like a wounded animal backed into a corner

very true. And a very good point. Stew birds point to 9 wins without considering they were against the sisters of the poor. He beat nobody. And played nowhere near the gauntlet Dana faced last season or any season in the big 12. Winning 7 games last year with that schedule is impressive. Easily one of the toughest in the country last year and the toughest WVU ever faced.

 

[torontoeers]

very true. And a very good point. Stew birds point to 9 wins without considering they were against the sisters of the poor. He beat nobody. And played nowhere near the gauntlet Dana faced last season or any season in the big 12. Winning 7 games last year with that schedule is impressive. Easily one of the toughest in the country last year and the toughest WVU ever faced.

Yes it was...this year should earn a solid SOS ranking too....next year with Mizzou AND BYU on the slate should be a top 5....not a chance in hell a Big Least sched would even come close!!! And I love it....great competition is making us better over the long run...

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Flattery will get you nowhere. There is not one factual inaccuracy in my post. You may not like it -- hell, I don't like the facts I posted -- but attacking the messenger doesn't change ONE fact that I posted. As I've said many times, I hope Dana pulls out of the tailspin because then that means my alma mater will, too. But those who make up reasons to defend Dana's performance to date do WVU no favors. Excuses won't win ball games. Good coaching, good recruiting, good game management will. It's a process. Take it from Brother.

By the way, TCU plays the same schedule WVU does, won the Big 12 and should have been in the national playoffs. Now, how can you explain that TCU did it, from the Mountain West which was below the Big East in quality (not even a BCS conference like the Big East), but WVU has not. TCU didn't lead the league in excuses. As Nike says, just do it. TCU did. Why not WVU? Anything you say about WVU applies to TCU, the Big 12 co-champs and top 10 team nationally. Huh, huh, huh!

 

[torontoeers]

By the way, TCU plays the same schedule WVU does, won the Big 12 and should have been in the national playoffs. Now, how can you explain that TCU did it, from the Mountain West which was below the Big East in quality (not even a BCS conference like the Big East), but WVU has not. TCU didn't lead the league in excuses. As Nike says, just do it. TCU did. Why not WVU? Anything you say about WVU applies to TCU, the Big 12 co-champs and top 10 team nationally. Huh, huh, huh!

That MWC while TCU was a member over the last few years included BYU and Utah...hardly chopped liver. As good as the BE? Perhaps not, but not the sisters of the poor in comparison. TCU won that conference their last 3 years as a member and did so in a landslide, and recieved top bowl berths because of it...The Frogs were a top flight football program well before they ever hit the Big12...so quit telling yourself we ought to be just like TCU at this point already....

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

That MWC while TCU was a member over the last few years included BYU and Utah...hardly chopped liver. As good as the BE? Perhaps not, but not the sisters of the poor in comparison. TCU won that conference their last 3 years as a member and did so in a landslide, and recieved top bowl berths because of it...The Frogs were a top flight football program well before they ever hit the Big12...so quit telling yourself we ought to be just like TCU at this point already....

Quit telling yourself that WVU should NOT be at the TCU level already. You are accepting mediocrity from my alma mater. That's unacceptable. And if TCU was a top flight program well before they hit the Big 12, what was WVU, with six Big East titles? Chopped liver? So what Rodriguez did was nothing? What Stewart did was nothing? Don't you LIKE WVU? TCU IS exactly a valid comparison. TCU and WVU were new kids on the block who did well in their previous, lower-level conferences. And WVU was in the Big East, which got an automatic BCS spot, but the Midwest did not, which tells you all you need to know about which conference was higher on the totem poll. You can't just ignore the facts that you don't like. TCU proved that it could be done, and did it. WVU hasn't proven anything in the Big 12, and it's been more than a few seasons that WVU hasn't set the Big 12 world on fire. Huggins did, so why not Dana? Don't your excuses for Dana apply to Huggins' situation. Like TCU football, Huggs just did it. No excuses from Huggybear; just performances. Dana needs to emulate Huggins. And apologists need to stop making excuses. I suppose if WVU loses to GaSo there will be those who find all kinds of reasons why it's not a calamity. Geez, guys, open your eyes and brains.

 

[VaultHunter]

All of that just to prove you know nothing about college football.

Different conference, different competition, different budget, different travel, different era.

The one season Dana was in the Big East he took WVU to a BCS bowl and won.

Rich Rod won a Sugar Bowl.
Stewart won a Fiesta Bowl.
Dana won a Orange Bowl.

Nehlen never won a bowl as big as Dana. So yea you failed big time.