In first half WVU took my advice:
FOUR turnovers
For 35-27 lead.
I also said harass Kalscheur without fouling him. They did. He has 3 personals, sat out big chunk of 1st half. WVU easily out-scored Iowa State with him on bench.
When he comes in let him commit 2 offensive fouls knocking Eric into the 3rd row!
Pass, don’t dribble, I said. WVU did.
Get the ball to Erik, I said. They did. 11 points in 1st half alone!
Toussaint cut down dramatically on his crazy over-dribbling, has 11 points, too. But he needs to stop gesturing with his hands to the crowd. The refs will call a T at a bad time for WVU if he keeps doing that.
So, if WVU keeps following my advice, they’ll win. But, at 90, I’m too old to replace Huggins at WVU. Wouldn’t want to if I were 40. Those shoes are big and Bob’s shadow so giant that his successor will be booed unless he goes to Final Four every year.
WVU has shown it can beat Iowa State again, even in Ames. Keep doing what I told you to do and we’re at 17 and, with Big 12 opener W, 18 and in March Madness.
Whoo-hoo!!
RECENT WVU TURNOVERS & FINAL SCORES HISTORY
21 TO, lost to Kansas by 2
20 TO, lost to Texas by 24
14 TO, lost to Texas Tech by 6
13 TO, lost to Baylor by 12
11 TO, beat Iowa State by 5
ONLY victory in this stretch was with least turnovers, 11.
So, if WVU has 11 or fewer turnovers against Iowa State tonight then the Mountaineers won’t beat themselves. That would be a little more than half WVU’s 19.9 turnovers PER GAME average.
If only the wild and crazy dribblers Keddy and Toussaint let that sink into their brains. Their ELEVEN combined turnovers killed WVU against Kansas and prevented a miracle of an upset!
In 76-71 victory over Iowa State in Morgantown:
WVU had only 11 turnovers.
But 4 were by over-dribbler Keddy Johnson.
And 3 by Bell, because he can’t handle basketball properly.
Matthews scored 20 with NO turnovers.
Keddy did have 22 points which mitigates some of his turnovers.
Score points, less over-dribbling turnovers tonight, Keddy, and WVU can win again.
Stevenson had only 8 points and fouled out. Can’t let them happen again tonight.
Lipsey had more turnovers for Iowa State (4) so WVU should harass but not foul him and get the ball back.
Lipsey, Holmes and Grill all had double-digit points.
Blow away the Cyclones!
9 pm, ESPN2
#1 Houston has the longest winning streak for a Top 25 team at 9.
#4 UCLA is 2nd at 8.
#3 Kansas is 3rd at 6.
#23 Iowa State has the longest losing streak at 3. Hopefully 4 after WVU visits tonight!
WVU had 378 turnovers this season.
In 19 games.
AVERAGING 19.9 TURNOVERS A GAME!!!
10 single-digit losses can be attributed in large part to the turnovers.
MOST RELIABLE BALL-HANDLERS
Seth Wilson 1 turnover every FOUR minutes!!!
Emmitt Matthews less than 1 turnover per minute
Okonkwo 1 turnover per minute
Kobe Johnson 1.4 turnovers per minute
WORST VIOLATORS
Keddy Johnson 2.5 turnovers per minute
Erik Stevenson 2.5 turnovers per minute
Jimmy Bell more than 2 turnovers per minute
Toussaint 2 turnovers per minute
Wague 2 turnovers per minute
Tre Mitchell 2 turnovers per minute
Joe Toussaint
21.8 minutes per game average
45 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS EVERY MINUTE HE PLAYS!
Keddy Johnson
28.3 minutes per game
64 turnovers
2.5 TURNOVERS EVERY MINUTE HE PLAYS!
Erik Stevenson
25.3 minutes per game
63 turnovers
2.5 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Tre Mitchell
29.3 minutes
62 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Emmitt Matthews
29.1 minutes
27 turnovers
LESS THAN 1 TURNOVER PER MINUTE
Jimmy Bell
19.1 minutes
43 turnovers
MORE THAN 2 TURNOVERS A MINUTE
Seth Wilson
13.9 minutes
3 turnovers
1 TURNOVER EACH 4 MINUTES
Mohamed Wague
10.6 minutes
20 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Jim Okonkwo
10.9 minutes
10 turnovers
1 TURNOVER A MINUTE
Kobe Johnson
10.9 minutes
14 turnovers
1.4 TURNOVERS A MINUTE
Unranked Maryland, even though it has same season (20-9) and Big 10 (11-7) as #21 Northwestern, upset NW, 75-59, on Sunday.
#4 UCLA barely escaped 15-15 Colorado, 60-56.
#20 Providence had no trouble with 7-23 Georgetown (glory days FAR behind, huh?), 88-68.
MONDAY BIG 12 GAMES
West Virginia at #23 Iowa State, 9 pm ESPN2. Hawkeyes can’t be happy about losing to Huggins’ team in Morgantown earlier this season.
#9 Baylor at Oklahoma State, 9 pm, ESPN. Baylor won at Oklahoma State, 74-58.
NET rankings, historically the most reliable predictor of March Madness selections:
1. Kansas 24-5 1st in Big 12 #3 nationally
2. Baylor 21-8 3rd in Big 12 #9 nationally
3. Alabama 25-4
4. Texas 22-7 2nd in Big 12 #8 nationally
5. Iowa State 17-11 5th in Big 12 #23 nationally
6. Michigan State 17-11
7. West Virginia 16-13 8th in Big 12
8. Indiana 20-9
9. Oklahoma 14-15 last in Big 12
10. Tennessee 21-8
Twelve TCU 19-10 5th in Big 12 #24th nationally
13. Oklahoma State 16-13 7th in Big 12
17. Kansas State 22-7 3rd in Big 12
25. Texas Tech 16-13 8th in Big 12
WVU played #3 Kansas, #5 Purdue, #8 Texas, #9 Baylor, #14 Kansas State, #16 Xavier, #17 Kansas State, #23 Iowa State, #24 TCU, #25 Texas Tech.
That’s 10 Top 25 teams. EIGHTEEN games against Top 25 teams, SIXTEEN games in the Big 12, by far the toughest conference in the country.
How many 20+W teams in other conferences would not go better than 2-8 (SIX single-digit losses by WVU) against that incredibly tough lineup? With Iowa State, which lost earlier to WVU, and Kansas State, which WVU lost by 6 to ON THE ROAD, left to play before the Big 12 tournament, when WVU will be matched against Oklahoma, Texas Tech or Oklahoma State in the opener. WVU has beaten all 3 this season.
WVU is 16-13 and will play 2 games against teams the Mountaineers have beaten (18-14?). 18 should get WVU into March Madness. After all, in the 2022 March Madness, Michigan got in with 17-14, Rutgers with 18-13.
For those who say W-L record ALONE should keep WVU out of March Madness:
DO YOU THINK ANY OF THESE TEAMS SHOULD BE IN MARCH MADNESS INSTEAD OF 16-13 WVU?
None will get the automatic selection of being a conference champion.
Morehead State 21-10
(Morehead lost to WVU, 75-57)
Alabama Birmingham 22-8
(UAB lost to WVU, 81-70)
Marshall 24-7
Marshall lost to North Carolina Queens, North Carolina Greenville, James Madison, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion.
Who would give that the same weight as losing to Baylor, Kansas, Texas and other Big 12 teams.
Liberty 24-7
UMass Lowell River 24-8
Fordham 23-6
Montana State 21-9
Longwood 20-11
California Riverside 20-10
Towson 20-11
Milwaukee 20-10
Norfolk State 20-8
Belmont 21-10
Utah State 22-7
North Carolina Greensboro 20-11
Northwestern State 20-10
Santa Clara 23-8
Sam Houston 22-6
MONDAY BIG 12 GAMES
West Virginia at #23 Iowa State, 9 pm, ESPN2
WVU beat Iowa State in Morgantown, 76-61
#9 Baylor at Oklahoma State, 9 pm, ESPN
Baylor beat Oklahoma State at Baylor, 74-58
#3 Kansas 12-4 season 24-5
#8 Texas 11-5 season 22-7
#14 Kansas State 10-6 season 22-7
#9 Baylor 10-6 season 21-8
#23 Iowa State 8-8 season 17-11
#24 TCU 8-8 season 19-10
Oklahoma State 7-9 season 16-13
West Virginia 5-11 season 16-13
Oklahoma 4-12 season 14-15
NET rankings (most accurate historically for March Madness selections)
(every Big 12 except Oklahoma in March Madness?)
6. Kansas
9. Texas
12. Baylor
17. Iowa State
18. Kansas State
26. TCU
27. West Virginia
41. Oklahoma State
48. Texas Tech
76. Oklahoma
STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE RANKINGS
#1 Kansas
#3 Baylor
#4 Iowa State
#5 Texas
#8 West Virginia
#10 Oklahoma
#13 Oklahoma State
#14 TCU
#18 Kansas State
#24 Texas Tech
HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT WVU'S SCHEDULE IS RANKED AMONG THE 10 TOUGHEST IN AMERICA! THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING. WVU HAS AT LEAST 10 GAMES WITH SINGLE-DIGIT LOSSES, A MAJORITY AGAINST TOP 25 TEAMS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU? IF YOU GO ONLY BY W'S AND L'S THEN MAKE THE RUNNERUP IN THE MOST RINKY-DINK CONFERENCE IN AMERICA A 2 SEED! THAT WOULD FOLLOW YOUR REASONING THAT 22-10 IS BETTER THAN 16-10 NO MATTER WHO YOU PLAY! LET'S HAVE A REALITY CHECK! WVU WILL BE IN MARCH MADNESS BECAUSE THE MOUNTAINEERS HAVE EARNED IT BY SURVIVING THE 10 TOUGHEST SCHEDULES IN AMERICA IN THE #1 BY FAR TOUGHEST CONFERENCE IN AMERICA! WOULD YOU REALLY SAY THAT THE KENNESAW STATE OWLS, AT 23-8 AND ATOP THE ASUN CONFERENCE, SHOULD BE IN AHEAD OF WVU? OR UMASS LOWER RIVER HAWKS 24-7 OF THE AMERICAN EAST CONFERENCE? OR MONTANA STATE 21-9 OF THE BIG SKY? OR LONGWOOD 20-11 OF THE BIG SOUTH? THOSE TEAMS WOULDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST WVU AND YOU KNOW IT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT THEN EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD WILL KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW BASKETBALL. WELL?
You’re saying that an L is ALWAYS less impressive than a W?
Even when WVU lost to California in the 1959 NCAA title game despite Jerry West scoring 28 points? Voters were so unimpressed that Jerry was the first player on a losing team to win the MVP award.
That 1-point L was less impressive than beating Western Kentucky by 2 points?
Or that this year’s WVU team beating Morehead and getting a W was more impressive than losing to Kansas AT Kansas where they lose maybe 2 times at home a season?
You can type that with a straight face?
Jerry West and the 1959 national runnerup team and I differ with you.
Resume for March Madness selection
16-13 season, 11-2 non-conference
NET ranking for toughest 10 schedules in America says WVU gets in, too.
Beat Pitt by 25 points
Down 4 to #5 Purdue with 5 minutes left
Beat Florida by 29 points
Lost to #16 Xavier by 10
Lost to #14 Kansas State by 6
(Rematch 2 pm Saturday, March 4 in Morgantown)
Lost to #9 Baylor by 5
Lost to #8 Texas by 8
Beat Auburn by 3
Lost to #24 TCU by 4
Lost to #23 Iowa State by 5
Lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT Kansas
Beat #23 Iowa State by 5
(rematch 9 pm Monday AT Iowa State)
Lost EIGHT games by average 4.1 points to Top 25 teams!
If ALL the teams above are in March Madness then so should WVU!
Beat Iowa State again and win Big 12 tourney opener and that's 18 W's. Michigan got in with 17 W's last March Madness.
March Madness, here we come!!!!
Resume for March Madness selection
16-13 season, 11-2 non-conference
Beat Pitt by 25 points
Down 4 to #5 Purdue with 5 minutes left
Beat Florida by 29 points
Lost to #16 Xavier by 10
Lost to #14 Kansas State by 6
(Rematch 2 pm Saturday, March 4 in Morgantown)
Lost to #9 Baylor by 5
Lost to #8 Texas by 8
Beat Auburn by 3
Lost to #24 TCU by 4
Lost to #23 Iowa State by 5
Lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT Kansas
Beat #23 Iowa State by 5
(rematch 9 pm Monday AT Iowa State)
TheWVUWonka said... (original post)
Shame, you say? T
his program's recruiting has reeked of shame for three years running.
Shame is on WVUWonka.
25-10 in 2014-15 Big 12 4th at 11-7 26-9 in 2015-16 Big 12 2nd at 13-5 28-9 in 2016—17 Big 12 2nd at 12-6 26-21 in 2017-18 Big 12 2nd at 11-7 21-10 in 2019-20 Big 12 3rd at 9-9 19-10 in 2020-21 Big 12 3rd at 11-6 6 OF 9 SEASONS IS “THE BULK OF HIS BIG 12 CAREER” 2ND THRICE, 3RD TWICE, 4th ONCE
#3 Kansas beat WVU, 5-11 in Big 12, by TWO points. WVU has NEVER won AT Kansas IN HISTORY!!!
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State and beat Florida. If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
Shame on you for thrashing WVU putting up such a great fight all season in the #1 toughest conference in America -- NET conference averages says Big 12 is TWICE as tough as Big 12, in 2nd place; even tougher than SEC and ACC. And NO Big 12 team has lost to a Pac-12 team this season.
Get a perspective, guy!
IN ONE DAY … SATURDAY …
SEVEN Top 25 teams lost!!!
North Carolina, 10-3 in ACC, beat #6 Virginia.
Arizona State, 11-7 in nothing Pac-12, beat #7 Arizona.
Florida State, 7-11 in ACC, beat #13 Miami.
Villanova, 9-9 in Big East, beat #19 Creighton, 12-6 in Big East
Oklahoma, 4-12 and last in Big 12, beat #23 Iowa State
Mississippi State, 7-9 in wimpy SEC, beat #25 Texas A&M.
#9 Baylor beat #8 Texas in a coin-toss pick ‘em.
#24 TCU only beat Texas Tech, 5-11 in Big 12, by ONE point.
#2 Alabama only beat Arkansas, 8-8 in weak SEC, by 3 points.
#3 Kansas beat WVU, 5-11 in Big 12, by TWO points. WVU has NEVER won AT Kansas IN HISTORY!!!
March Madness is going to be a bloodbath!!!
Lose by 2 IN Kansas worthy of March Madness selection.
Don't you dare besmirch WVU's effort today. Damn near 1st win AT Kansas in history! SO proud of this team. It IS ready for March Madness run!
The dumbass dribblers 0 (Keddy) and 5 (Toussaint) hurt WVU’s chances of a first in history win IN Kansas! Keddy scored 15 points but had EIGHT turnovers which, in a game decided by 2 points, was a killer.
Toussaint, the other dribble-to-die player, had only 2 points and THREE turnovers.
Tre had 4 turnovers but scored 20 points. And was a shooter not an over-dribbler, a curse on this WVU team.
Bell was a scoreless giant. Useless again today. Other 4 starters had SEVENTY ONE of the 74 points!!!
Dribbling and 21 turnovers, 8 by Keddy, destroyed what would have been WVU’s first victory IN HISTORY AT KANSAS.
Pass, you win. Dribble, you lose. All season long.
WVU out-rebounded, 34-26, but 21-19 on turnovers offset that.
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State and beat Florida.
If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
Lose by 2 IN Kansas worthy of March Madness selection.
Don't you dare besmirch WVU's effort today. Damn near 1st win in Kansas in history! SO proud of this team. It IS ready for March Madness run!
The dumbass dribblers 0 and 5 hurt WVU’s chances of a first in history win IN Kansas! Keddy scored 15 points but had EIGHT turnovers which, in a game decided by 2 points, was a killer.
Toussaint, the other dribble-to-die player, had only 2 points and THREE turnovers. Tre had 4 turnovers but scored 20 points.
Bell was a scoreless giant. Useless again today. Other 4 starters had SEVENTY ONE of the 74 points!!!
Dribbling and 21 turnovers, 8 by Keddy, destroyed what would have been WVU’s first victory IN HISTORY AT KANSAS.
Pass, you win. Dribble, you lose. All season long.
WVU out-rebounded, 34-26, but 21-19 on turnovers offset that.
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State.
If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
WVU can beat Kansas IN Kansas for 1st time in history if Bell and Johnson stay on bench or stop making turnovers (6 of WVU’s 10 in 1st half!).
Erik has 7 points but 4 of 7 WVU assists worth 22 or more of the 33 points.
Oklahoma, TCU and Kansas State won ON ROAD today. Why not WVU?
WVU can beat Kansas IN Kansas for 1st time in history if Bell and Johnson stay on bench or stop making turnovers (6 of WVU’s 10 in 1st half!).
Erik has 7 points but 4 of 7 WVU assists worth 22 or more of the 33 points.
Oklahoma beat #23 Iowa State. #24 TCU beat Texas Tech. ON THE ROAD in the Big 12.
Hell just froze over and pigs are flying all over the place.
Maybe WVU can beat Kansas ON THE ROAD?
Hey, maybe Saturday is Mountain of Miracles Day!
FOUR turnovers
For 35-27 lead.
I also said harass Kalscheur without fouling him. They did. He has 3 personals, sat out big chunk of 1st half. WVU easily out-scored Iowa State with him on bench.
When he comes in let him commit 2 offensive fouls knocking Eric into the 3rd row!
Pass, don’t dribble, I said. WVU did.
Get the ball to Erik, I said. They did. 11 points in 1st half alone!
Toussaint cut down dramatically on his crazy over-dribbling, has 11 points, too. But he needs to stop gesturing with his hands to the crowd. The refs will call a T at a bad time for WVU if he keeps doing that.
So, if WVU keeps following my advice, they’ll win. But, at 90, I’m too old to replace Huggins at WVU. Wouldn’t want to if I were 40. Those shoes are big and Bob’s shadow so giant that his successor will be booed unless he goes to Final Four every year.
WVU has shown it can beat Iowa State again, even in Ames. Keep doing what I told you to do and we’re at 17 and, with Big 12 opener W, 18 and in March Madness.
Whoo-hoo!!
RECENT WVU TURNOVERS & FINAL SCORES HISTORY
21 TO, lost to Kansas by 2
20 TO, lost to Texas by 24
14 TO, lost to Texas Tech by 6
13 TO, lost to Baylor by 12
11 TO, beat Iowa State by 5
ONLY victory in this stretch was with least turnovers, 11.
So, if WVU has 11 or fewer turnovers against Iowa State tonight then the Mountaineers won’t beat themselves. That would be a little more than half WVU’s 19.9 turnovers PER GAME average.
If only the wild and crazy dribblers Keddy and Toussaint let that sink into their brains. Their ELEVEN combined turnovers killed WVU against Kansas and prevented a miracle of an upset!
In 76-71 victory over Iowa State in Morgantown:
WVU had only 11 turnovers.
But 4 were by over-dribbler Keddy Johnson.
And 3 by Bell, because he can’t handle basketball properly.
Matthews scored 20 with NO turnovers.
Keddy did have 22 points which mitigates some of his turnovers.
Score points, less over-dribbling turnovers tonight, Keddy, and WVU can win again.
Stevenson had only 8 points and fouled out. Can’t let them happen again tonight.
Lipsey had more turnovers for Iowa State (4) so WVU should harass but not foul him and get the ball back.
Lipsey, Holmes and Grill all had double-digit points.
Blow away the Cyclones!
9 pm, ESPN2
#1 Houston has the longest winning streak for a Top 25 team at 9.
#4 UCLA is 2nd at 8.
#3 Kansas is 3rd at 6.
#23 Iowa State has the longest losing streak at 3. Hopefully 4 after WVU visits tonight!
WVU had 378 turnovers this season.
In 19 games.
AVERAGING 19.9 TURNOVERS A GAME!!!
10 single-digit losses can be attributed in large part to the turnovers.
MOST RELIABLE BALL-HANDLERS
Seth Wilson 1 turnover every FOUR minutes!!!
Emmitt Matthews less than 1 turnover per minute
Okonkwo 1 turnover per minute
Kobe Johnson 1.4 turnovers per minute
WORST VIOLATORS
Keddy Johnson 2.5 turnovers per minute
Erik Stevenson 2.5 turnovers per minute
Jimmy Bell more than 2 turnovers per minute
Toussaint 2 turnovers per minute
Wague 2 turnovers per minute
Tre Mitchell 2 turnovers per minute
Joe Toussaint
21.8 minutes per game average
45 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS EVERY MINUTE HE PLAYS!
Keddy Johnson
28.3 minutes per game
64 turnovers
2.5 TURNOVERS EVERY MINUTE HE PLAYS!
Erik Stevenson
25.3 minutes per game
63 turnovers
2.5 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Tre Mitchell
29.3 minutes
62 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Emmitt Matthews
29.1 minutes
27 turnovers
LESS THAN 1 TURNOVER PER MINUTE
Jimmy Bell
19.1 minutes
43 turnovers
MORE THAN 2 TURNOVERS A MINUTE
Seth Wilson
13.9 minutes
3 turnovers
1 TURNOVER EACH 4 MINUTES
Mohamed Wague
10.6 minutes
20 turnovers
2 TURNOVERS PER MINUTE
Jim Okonkwo
10.9 minutes
10 turnovers
1 TURNOVER A MINUTE
Kobe Johnson
10.9 minutes
14 turnovers
1.4 TURNOVERS A MINUTE
Unranked Maryland, even though it has same season (20-9) and Big 10 (11-7) as #21 Northwestern, upset NW, 75-59, on Sunday.
#4 UCLA barely escaped 15-15 Colorado, 60-56.
#20 Providence had no trouble with 7-23 Georgetown (glory days FAR behind, huh?), 88-68.
MONDAY BIG 12 GAMES
West Virginia at #23 Iowa State, 9 pm ESPN2. Hawkeyes can’t be happy about losing to Huggins’ team in Morgantown earlier this season.
#9 Baylor at Oklahoma State, 9 pm, ESPN. Baylor won at Oklahoma State, 74-58.
NET rankings, historically the most reliable predictor of March Madness selections:
1. Kansas 24-5 1st in Big 12 #3 nationally
2. Baylor 21-8 3rd in Big 12 #9 nationally
3. Alabama 25-4
4. Texas 22-7 2nd in Big 12 #8 nationally
5. Iowa State 17-11 5th in Big 12 #23 nationally
6. Michigan State 17-11
7. West Virginia 16-13 8th in Big 12
8. Indiana 20-9
9. Oklahoma 14-15 last in Big 12
10. Tennessee 21-8
Twelve TCU 19-10 5th in Big 12 #24th nationally
13. Oklahoma State 16-13 7th in Big 12
17. Kansas State 22-7 3rd in Big 12
25. Texas Tech 16-13 8th in Big 12
WVU played #3 Kansas, #5 Purdue, #8 Texas, #9 Baylor, #14 Kansas State, #16 Xavier, #17 Kansas State, #23 Iowa State, #24 TCU, #25 Texas Tech.
That’s 10 Top 25 teams. EIGHTEEN games against Top 25 teams, SIXTEEN games in the Big 12, by far the toughest conference in the country.
How many 20+W teams in other conferences would not go better than 2-8 (SIX single-digit losses by WVU) against that incredibly tough lineup? With Iowa State, which lost earlier to WVU, and Kansas State, which WVU lost by 6 to ON THE ROAD, left to play before the Big 12 tournament, when WVU will be matched against Oklahoma, Texas Tech or Oklahoma State in the opener. WVU has beaten all 3 this season.
WVU is 16-13 and will play 2 games against teams the Mountaineers have beaten (18-14?). 18 should get WVU into March Madness. After all, in the 2022 March Madness, Michigan got in with 17-14, Rutgers with 18-13.
For those who say W-L record ALONE should keep WVU out of March Madness:
DO YOU THINK ANY OF THESE TEAMS SHOULD BE IN MARCH MADNESS INSTEAD OF 16-13 WVU?
None will get the automatic selection of being a conference champion.
Morehead State 21-10
(Morehead lost to WVU, 75-57)
Alabama Birmingham 22-8
(UAB lost to WVU, 81-70)
Marshall 24-7
Marshall lost to North Carolina Queens, North Carolina Greenville, James Madison, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion.
Who would give that the same weight as losing to Baylor, Kansas, Texas and other Big 12 teams.
Liberty 24-7
UMass Lowell River 24-8
Fordham 23-6
Montana State 21-9
Longwood 20-11
California Riverside 20-10
Towson 20-11
Milwaukee 20-10
Norfolk State 20-8
Belmont 21-10
Utah State 22-7
North Carolina Greensboro 20-11
Northwestern State 20-10
Santa Clara 23-8
Sam Houston 22-6
MONDAY BIG 12 GAMES
West Virginia at #23 Iowa State, 9 pm, ESPN2
WVU beat Iowa State in Morgantown, 76-61
#9 Baylor at Oklahoma State, 9 pm, ESPN
Baylor beat Oklahoma State at Baylor, 74-58
#3 Kansas 12-4 season 24-5
#8 Texas 11-5 season 22-7
#14 Kansas State 10-6 season 22-7
#9 Baylor 10-6 season 21-8
#23 Iowa State 8-8 season 17-11
#24 TCU 8-8 season 19-10
Oklahoma State 7-9 season 16-13
West Virginia 5-11 season 16-13
Oklahoma 4-12 season 14-15
NET rankings (most accurate historically for March Madness selections)
(every Big 12 except Oklahoma in March Madness?)
6. Kansas
9. Texas
12. Baylor
17. Iowa State
18. Kansas State
26. TCU
27. West Virginia
41. Oklahoma State
48. Texas Tech
76. Oklahoma
STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE RANKINGS
#1 Kansas
#3 Baylor
#4 Iowa State
#5 Texas
#8 West Virginia
#10 Oklahoma
#13 Oklahoma State
#14 TCU
#18 Kansas State
#24 Texas Tech
HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT WVU'S SCHEDULE IS RANKED AMONG THE 10 TOUGHEST IN AMERICA! THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING. WVU HAS AT LEAST 10 GAMES WITH SINGLE-DIGIT LOSSES, A MAJORITY AGAINST TOP 25 TEAMS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU? IF YOU GO ONLY BY W'S AND L'S THEN MAKE THE RUNNERUP IN THE MOST RINKY-DINK CONFERENCE IN AMERICA A 2 SEED! THAT WOULD FOLLOW YOUR REASONING THAT 22-10 IS BETTER THAN 16-10 NO MATTER WHO YOU PLAY! LET'S HAVE A REALITY CHECK! WVU WILL BE IN MARCH MADNESS BECAUSE THE MOUNTAINEERS HAVE EARNED IT BY SURVIVING THE 10 TOUGHEST SCHEDULES IN AMERICA IN THE #1 BY FAR TOUGHEST CONFERENCE IN AMERICA! WOULD YOU REALLY SAY THAT THE KENNESAW STATE OWLS, AT 23-8 AND ATOP THE ASUN CONFERENCE, SHOULD BE IN AHEAD OF WVU? OR UMASS LOWER RIVER HAWKS 24-7 OF THE AMERICAN EAST CONFERENCE? OR MONTANA STATE 21-9 OF THE BIG SKY? OR LONGWOOD 20-11 OF THE BIG SOUTH? THOSE TEAMS WOULDN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST WVU AND YOU KNOW IT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT THEN EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD WILL KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW BASKETBALL. WELL?
You’re saying that an L is ALWAYS less impressive than a W?
Even when WVU lost to California in the 1959 NCAA title game despite Jerry West scoring 28 points? Voters were so unimpressed that Jerry was the first player on a losing team to win the MVP award.
That 1-point L was less impressive than beating Western Kentucky by 2 points?
Or that this year’s WVU team beating Morehead and getting a W was more impressive than losing to Kansas AT Kansas where they lose maybe 2 times at home a season?
You can type that with a straight face?
Jerry West and the 1959 national runnerup team and I differ with you.
Resume for March Madness selection
16-13 season, 11-2 non-conference
NET ranking for toughest 10 schedules in America says WVU gets in, too.
Beat Pitt by 25 points
Down 4 to #5 Purdue with 5 minutes left
Beat Florida by 29 points
Lost to #16 Xavier by 10
Lost to #14 Kansas State by 6
(Rematch 2 pm Saturday, March 4 in Morgantown)
Lost to #9 Baylor by 5
Lost to #8 Texas by 8
Beat Auburn by 3
Lost to #24 TCU by 4
Lost to #23 Iowa State by 5
Lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT Kansas
Beat #23 Iowa State by 5
(rematch 9 pm Monday AT Iowa State)
Lost EIGHT games by average 4.1 points to Top 25 teams!
If ALL the teams above are in March Madness then so should WVU!
Beat Iowa State again and win Big 12 tourney opener and that's 18 W's. Michigan got in with 17 W's last March Madness.
March Madness, here we come!!!!
Resume for March Madness selection
16-13 season, 11-2 non-conference
Beat Pitt by 25 points
Down 4 to #5 Purdue with 5 minutes left
Beat Florida by 29 points
Lost to #16 Xavier by 10
Lost to #14 Kansas State by 6
(Rematch 2 pm Saturday, March 4 in Morgantown)
Lost to #9 Baylor by 5
Lost to #8 Texas by 8
Beat Auburn by 3
Lost to #24 TCU by 4
Lost to #23 Iowa State by 5
Lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT Kansas
Beat #23 Iowa State by 5
(rematch 9 pm Monday AT Iowa State)
TheWVUWonka said... (original post)
Shame, you say? T
his program's recruiting has reeked of shame for three years running.
Shame is on WVUWonka.
25-10 in 2014-15 Big 12 4th at 11-7 26-9 in 2015-16 Big 12 2nd at 13-5 28-9 in 2016—17 Big 12 2nd at 12-6 26-21 in 2017-18 Big 12 2nd at 11-7 21-10 in 2019-20 Big 12 3rd at 9-9 19-10 in 2020-21 Big 12 3rd at 11-6 6 OF 9 SEASONS IS “THE BULK OF HIS BIG 12 CAREER” 2ND THRICE, 3RD TWICE, 4th ONCE
#3 Kansas beat WVU, 5-11 in Big 12, by TWO points. WVU has NEVER won AT Kansas IN HISTORY!!!
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State and beat Florida. If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
Shame on you for thrashing WVU putting up such a great fight all season in the #1 toughest conference in America -- NET conference averages says Big 12 is TWICE as tough as Big 12, in 2nd place; even tougher than SEC and ACC. And NO Big 12 team has lost to a Pac-12 team this season.
Get a perspective, guy!
IN ONE DAY … SATURDAY …
SEVEN Top 25 teams lost!!!
North Carolina, 10-3 in ACC, beat #6 Virginia.
Arizona State, 11-7 in nothing Pac-12, beat #7 Arizona.
Florida State, 7-11 in ACC, beat #13 Miami.
Villanova, 9-9 in Big East, beat #19 Creighton, 12-6 in Big East
Oklahoma, 4-12 and last in Big 12, beat #23 Iowa State
Mississippi State, 7-9 in wimpy SEC, beat #25 Texas A&M.
#9 Baylor beat #8 Texas in a coin-toss pick ‘em.
#24 TCU only beat Texas Tech, 5-11 in Big 12, by ONE point.
#2 Alabama only beat Arkansas, 8-8 in weak SEC, by 3 points.
#3 Kansas beat WVU, 5-11 in Big 12, by TWO points. WVU has NEVER won AT Kansas IN HISTORY!!!
March Madness is going to be a bloodbath!!!
Lose by 2 IN Kansas worthy of March Madness selection.
Don't you dare besmirch WVU's effort today. Damn near 1st win AT Kansas in history! SO proud of this team. It IS ready for March Madness run!
The dumbass dribblers 0 (Keddy) and 5 (Toussaint) hurt WVU’s chances of a first in history win IN Kansas! Keddy scored 15 points but had EIGHT turnovers which, in a game decided by 2 points, was a killer.
Toussaint, the other dribble-to-die player, had only 2 points and THREE turnovers.
Tre had 4 turnovers but scored 20 points. And was a shooter not an over-dribbler, a curse on this WVU team.
Bell was a scoreless giant. Useless again today. Other 4 starters had SEVENTY ONE of the 74 points!!!
Dribbling and 21 turnovers, 8 by Keddy, destroyed what would have been WVU’s first victory IN HISTORY AT KANSAS.
Pass, you win. Dribble, you lose. All season long.
WVU out-rebounded, 34-26, but 21-19 on turnovers offset that.
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State and beat Florida.
If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
Lose by 2 IN Kansas worthy of March Madness selection.
Don't you dare besmirch WVU's effort today. Damn near 1st win in Kansas in history! SO proud of this team. It IS ready for March Madness run!
The dumbass dribblers 0 and 5 hurt WVU’s chances of a first in history win IN Kansas! Keddy scored 15 points but had EIGHT turnovers which, in a game decided by 2 points, was a killer.
Toussaint, the other dribble-to-die player, had only 2 points and THREE turnovers. Tre had 4 turnovers but scored 20 points.
Bell was a scoreless giant. Useless again today. Other 4 starters had SEVENTY ONE of the 74 points!!!
Dribbling and 21 turnovers, 8 by Keddy, destroyed what would have been WVU’s first victory IN HISTORY AT KANSAS.
Pass, you win. Dribble, you lose. All season long.
WVU out-rebounded, 34-26, but 21-19 on turnovers offset that.
This season WVU lost to #3 Kansas by 2 AT KANSAS, beat Pitt, lost by 6 to #14 Kansas State, lost by 5 to #9 Baylor, lost by 8 to #8 Texas, beat Auburn by 3, lost by 4 to #24 TCU, lost by 5 to #23 Iowa State.
If all those teams are in March Madness then so should WVU! Schedule toughness – 5th or 7th nationally I forget which -- should factor in along with W-L record!
WVU can beat Kansas IN Kansas for 1st time in history if Bell and Johnson stay on bench or stop making turnovers (6 of WVU’s 10 in 1st half!).
Erik has 7 points but 4 of 7 WVU assists worth 22 or more of the 33 points.
Oklahoma, TCU and Kansas State won ON ROAD today. Why not WVU?
WVU can beat Kansas IN Kansas for 1st time in history if Bell and Johnson stay on bench or stop making turnovers (6 of WVU’s 10 in 1st half!).
Erik has 7 points but 4 of 7 WVU assists worth 22 or more of the 33 points.
Oklahoma beat #23 Iowa State. #24 TCU beat Texas Tech. ON THE ROAD in the Big 12.
Hell just froze over and pigs are flying all over the place.
Maybe WVU can beat Kansas ON THE ROAD?
Hey, maybe Saturday is Mountain of Miracles Day!
