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Just win bowl game, finish 11-2, top 10 both polls, call it a great year

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It's simple really. For those who are complaining about respect, when else can you go an entire season without defeating a top 20 team and finish in the top 10? This is a great chance to do so. A lot of teams ahead of us will lose via head-to-head matchups, and who cares if you finish 6th or 9th in the polls, it's still top 10. Just win baby.

Is this team in the same conversation as the Pat White BCS teams or the 88 team? No. Is it even in the same league as the '93 team that beat #4 Miami and #9 BC? No. Sam Huff Sugar Bowl team? No, probably not them either.

But this team would have to be discussed in the same breath as 10-3 Geno/Tavon/Stedman team that trounced Clemson in the Orange Bowl. And the 8-1 '69 team that beat SC in the Peach Bowl. It at least will be a discussion. The knock against this team will be the fact that they cannot point to a signature win. I wish they would have been given that opportunity in a big bowl game against a top 10 team, but in reality, there are at least 15 teams better than us so to finish in the top 10 for 2016 AND finish in the top 10 teams in the history of the program ... seriously, as long as we beat Miami, we could not have asked for more out of this Mountaineer team. They will deserve their place in Mountaineer lore.
 
WVUDisciples said:
It's simple really. For those who are complaining about respect, when else can you go an entire season without defeating a top 20 team and finish in the top 10? This is a great chance to do so. A lot of teams ahead of us will lose via head-to-head matchups, and who cares if you finish 6th or 9th in the polls, it's still top 10. Just win baby.

Is this team in the same conversation as the Pat White BCS teams or the 88 team? No. Is it even in the same league as the '93 team that beat #4 Miami and #9 BC? No. Sam Huff Sugar Bowl team? No, probably not them either.

But this team would have to be discussed in the same breath as 10-3 Geno/Tavon/Stedman team that trounced Clemson in the Orange Bowl. And the 8-1 '69 team that beat SC in the Peach Bowl. It at least will be a discussion. The knock against this team will be the fact that they cannot point to a signature win. I wish they would have been given that opportunity in a big bowl game against a top 10 team, but in reality, there are at least 15 teams better than us so to finish in the top 10 for 2016 AND finish in the top 10 teams in the history of the program ... seriously, as long as we beat Miami, we could not have asked for more out of this Mountaineer team. They will deserve their place in Mountaineer lore.
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Miami fan here.

Polls are certainly what everyone looks at, but they aren't a good measure how good a team is. The AP, Coaches and CFP rankings certainly like WVU better than Miami, but Vegas doesn't, and neither do any of the advanced metrics rankings.

This is going to be a very difficult game for WVU to win. Miami brings the best defense WVU has seen all year, and we bring an offensive system that WVU doesn't see regularly.
 
Problem is, even if we win I don't think we finish in the top 10. Miami isn't very good and I doubt beating an 8-4 ACC team will allow us to jump 6 spots, especially when the committee hasn't respected us all year.
 
skibbyskibby said:
Miami fan here.

Polls are certainly what everyone looks at, but they aren't a good measure how good a team is. The AP, Coaches and CFP rankings certainly like WVU better than Miami, but Vegas doesn't, and neither do any of the advanced metrics rankings.

This is going to be a very difficult game for WVU to win. Miami brings the best defense WVU has seen all year, and we bring an offensive system that WVU doesn't see regularly.
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I'd wager that Missouri and K - State are just as good if not better on D than Miami.

Lucky for you our QB is a basket case at the moment and is playing some of the worst football of his time at WV.

I do consider this game a toss up and wouldn't be surprised with a win or a loss, looks like the vegas guys agree.
 
GetYaNumbersUp said:
I'd wager that Missouri and K - State are just as good if not better on D than Miami.

Lucky for you our QB is a basket case at the moment and is playing some of the worst football of his time at WV.

I do consider this game a toss up and wouldn't be surprised with a win or a loss, looks like the vegas guys agree.
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KSU is close, but Miami has a better scoring D by almost 3 points per game. You can't be serious about Missouri. They're D is giving up 31+ points per game.
 
I'd think it's pretty easy to put up good number on defense in the ACC Coastal Div; power houses like Duke and UVA. Oh, and that cross-division juggernaut NC St. And wow, how about those OOC games against Florida A&M, Florida Atlantic and Appy State. I'm shaking in my boots!
 
WVex-pat in GA said:
I'd think it's pretty easy to put up good number on defense in the ACC Coastal Div; power houses like Duke and UVA. Oh, and that cross-division juggernaut NC St. And wow, how about those OOC games against Florida A&M, Florida Atlantic and Appy State. I'm shaking in my boots!
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As opposed to power houses like Kansas, ISU and KSU?

We'll see when the game is played, but there is a reason Vegas believes Miami will win.
 
Miami has all to gain from this game and WVU has minimal to nothing to gain. Miami wins, they jump into the rankings. WVU wins and they might move up to #15, #14 if they are lucky.
 
WVinUSAF said:
WVU has a chance to win 11 and jump start next season in the top 25
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Doubtful, there won't be enough room in the Top 25 due to almost entire SEC being ranked. Hell, if UK wins their bowl game, they will probably start out ranked in preseason.

Plays a big role. Just look at Tennessee, they are still ranked. Only reason because they were ranked too high in preseason. Preseason polls play a big factor, bigger factor than many will recognize.
 
The bullcrap top 4 rigged playoff poll means nothing from here on out. It was out for 5 weeks to select the top 4 and that's it's only use. It's done. They don't meet any more, not even after the bowl season.

That said, the end of the year rankings are the coaches' poll, in which we are #12, and the AP poll, in which we are #14. 6 of the teams just ahead of us play each other, so 3 of them have to lose. Western michigan will lose so we'll jump them in the AP for sure. OK state, FSU, Wisc, Colorado, USC three of those five will lose and have 4 losses and if we win at 11-2, we'll jump them in the final polls and land at 9 or 10.

Just win baby. But Richt is a good coach, it's not going to be easy.

GetYaNumbersUp said:
Problem is, even if we win I don't think we finish in the top 10. Miami isn't very good and I doubt beating an 8-4 ACC team will allow us to jump 6 spots, especially when the committee hasn't respected us all year.
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In past years a ten win season got us a Fiesta Bowl a sugar bowl and in 2006 we earned a Gator bowl berth. I remember the whole world complained about the 2006 gator bowl berth and the fact is that Bowl looks like prime rib, Filet Mignon next to this table scrap bowl. A ten win season and this is the best we can do. Thanks fluffer Holgorsen
 
Everybody said we'd get automatic respect if we would compete in the Big XII. Finish 10-2 and our ranking is what it always was with 2 losses. We could be in the SEC and finish with 2 losses and still end up 12th. The sooner we realize the NCAA is about TV sets and not about fairness we can just be happy with regular season wins against decent teams and be glad we're not playing Uconn and South Florida. But yeah, Big XII is giving us money but no more respect than what we had in the 90s Big East.

Spookycat2002 said:
In past years a ten win season got us a Fiesta Bowl a sugar bowl and in 2006 we earned a Gator bowl berth. I remember the whole world complained about the 2006 gator bowl berth and the fact is that Bowl looks like prime rib, Filet Mignon next to this table scrap bowl. A ten win season and this is the best we can do. Thanks fluffer Holgorsen
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WVUDisciples said:
Everybody said we'd get automatic respect if we would compete in the Big XII. Finish 10-2 and our ranking is what it always was with 2 losses. We could be in the SEC and finish with 2 losses and still end up 12th. The sooner we realize the NCAA is about TV sets and not about fairness we can just be happy with regular season wins against decent teams and be glad we're not playing Uconn and South Florida. But yeah, Big XII is giving us money but no more respect than what we had in the 90s Big East.
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If we aren't in the B12 we are in the AAC. USF finished at 10-2 and they ARE NOT ranked in the Play-Off Poll, are ranked #25 in the AP, and 10 spots behind us in the Coaches Poll at 22.

And I bet that if we wouldn't have self-destructed against OSU and OU we would have gotten more "respect."
 
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bEER_Nation13 said:
Doubtful, there won't be enough room in the Top 25 due to almost entire SEC being ranked. Hell, if UK wins their bowl game, they will probably start out ranked in preseason.

Plays a big role. Just look at Tennessee, they are still ranked. Only reason because they were ranked too high in preseason. Preseason polls play a big factor, bigger factor than many will recognize.
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Be careful. Many on this forum say polls, and in particular, preseason polls are meaningless. Tennessee is a prime example that they are not.
 
I'd much rather play Miami in Orlando than Western Michigan in the Cotton Bowl.

I do think UM will be a tough game. The loss to Florida State by a missed XP led to a big midseason letdown. They are pretty good. We need to get our playmakers healthy.

Lgm!
 
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If you have to eek out a win at home vs. Baylor you can certainly lose to Miami in Florida. I do find it funny that Cane fans have a total lack of respect of hard it is to win games in the B12 and think we are going to be experiencing a quality we have yet been exposed to.
 
Call it a very good year! WVU saccomplished a lot this season.
- we got our coach extended
- hopefully our staff remains in tact
- better record than most expected
- top tier B12 Finish
- highly visable bowl matchup that could impact recruiting with a win
- next season look very promising
- and everyone going to games will have a nice place to piss next season
Life is good!
 
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WVUDisciples said:
Everybody said we'd get automatic respect if we would compete in the Big XII. Finish 10-2 and our ranking is what it always was with 2 losses. We could be in the SEC and finish with 2 losses and still end up 12th. The sooner we realize the NCAA is about TV sets and not about fairness we can just be happy with regular season wins against decent teams and be glad we're not playing Uconn and South Florida. But yeah, Big XII is giving us money but no more respect than what we had in the 90s Big East.
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The big 12 has brought us no more respect than the Big east. The very fact that we are playing an 8-4 Acc team and are currently the underdog in Vegas shows how very little respect this conference has. It doesn't really surprise me though because we haven't beaten any stellar competition. We struggled to beat a weak Baylor team at home. We barely beat a weak Texas team. We could have lost to an average Byu team with a rookie coach. K state was probably the best win we have and they didn't beat anyone either. The only reason we won those games was due to the play of Tony Gibson's defense and even Fluffer Holgorsen's disciples know this even though they'll never admit it. The fluffer's disciples told us how the offense was going to be the best thing since the invention of the wheel but has turned out to be a horse with a broken leg. The sad thing is Tony Gibson is starting to get noticed and it won't be long before he success lands him his own coaching gig. Hopefully it will be at Wvu but unlikely. I have no doubt he will land a HC job and end up being a great coach and when that happens it will be a sad in Morgantown knowing that we choose a California wanna be hippie dude from Iowa over a native true blooded West Virginian.
 
Spookycat2002 said:
In past years a ten win season got us a Fiesta Bowl a sugar bowl and in 2006 we earned a Gator bowl berth. I remember the whole world complained about the 2006 gator bowl berth and the fact is that Bowl looks like prime rib, Filet Mignon next to this table scrap bowl. A ten win season and this is the best we can do. Thanks fluffer Holgorsen
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Why don't you put a towel in you your mouth and just shut the f--k up!!
 
Spookycat2002 said:
In past years a ten win season got us a Fiesta Bowl a sugar bowl and in 2006 we earned a Gator bowl berth. I remember the whole world complained about the 2006 gator bowl berth and the fact is that Bowl looks like prime rib, Filet Mignon next to this table scrap bowl. A ten win season and this is the best we can do. Thanks fluffer Holgorsen
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We don't set the bowl schedule... the "others" do that. Why don;t you go back to the basement and type away!
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Of course we get more respect than USF, but that was true while we were in the Big East too. We're not chopped liver.

But 10 wins in the old Big East always, always, always got us a January Bowl game against a top 25 team. There's no exception to this rule.

Other than the money, we made a lateral move at best. No complaining about the Big XII, we just need to accept that we're not a top 20 TV market so they're not going to reward us.

HurdyGurdyEer said:
If we aren't in the B12 we are in the AAC. USF finished at 10-2 and they ARE NOT ranked in the Play-Off Poll, are ranked #25 in the AP, and 10 spots behind us in the Coaches Poll at 22.

And I bet that if we wouldn't have self-destructed against OSU and OU we would have gotten more "respect."
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11-2?

Pfffft

Not good enough! WVU was preseason 6th in the Big12. What a failure
 
GoWVU said:
Good lord, put down the crack pipe.
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Anyone with average knowledge of college football knows that the cotton bowl is one of the oldest and most prestigious bowl games in college Football. The cotton bowl is played in the jerry dome one of the most impressive football venues ever built. If we would have landed that game against Western Michigan of course we would have wanted a more traditional opponent but its the Cotton Bowl for god sake a New Years Day bowl. Instead we ended up in a best of the rest second rate bowl game that will probably change names a few more times before it eventually folds. On top of that we landed a Miami program that hasn't been relevant on the national stage since they were a regular on our schedule. Out of all the wvu teams that went bowling after 10+ wins in a season this is by far the weakest and least impressive opponent faced. If we were to lose this game to an 8-4 ACC scrub it would be one of the most embarrassing bowl losses in Modern Wvu football history. Any attempt to rationalize this game as being better than the cotton or any other New years day bowl is a feeble attempt to rationalize a disappointing bowl berth for a team that won 10 games!!!!!
 
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11-2?

Pfffft

Not good enough! WVU was preseason 6th in the Big12. What a failure
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Who cares what was said in preseason. TCU and Baylor were supposed to compete for the Big 12 title and both ended 6-6. The fact is wvu beat no one of significance. If fluffer Holgorsen would have taken care of business in just one of the Oklahoma games then we would have ended up in the Alamo Bowl which is 10 times better than this best of the rest game we ended up with. Couldn't beat an okie state team that couldn't beat a mac team at home. Pretty pathetic
 
If WVU had remained in the Big East, it would now be in the AAC playing teams like ECU, Temple, SMU and Tulsa.

Here's the "great" bowl lineup this year for that league that some are pining for:

BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala.
Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla.
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla.
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md.
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau Bahamas
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla.

WVU was shafted by the pollsters--not because of anything Holgorsen or the team did or didn't do -that can still go 11-2 accomplished. But being in the BIG 12 beats the alternative by a mile.

The BIG 12 has several tough teams in it every year and is a tougher league than what WVU used to face in the old Big East.
 
There are bowl tie ins, the Cotton Bowl can't just "pick us." If OU had made the playoffs, we'd be in the Alamo Bowl but since they didn't and we are the #3 team we get the RAB.

Spooky Cat, joins on Halloween 2016 and starts trashing everything about the program and head coach on a daily basis.

hmmmm...seems legit.
 
Spookycat2002 said:
Who cares what was said in preseason. TCU and Baylor were supposed to compete for the Big 12 title and both ended 6-6. The fact is wvu beat no one of significance. If fluffer Holgorsen would have taken care of business in just one of the Oklahoma games then we would have ended up in the Alamo Bowl which is 10 times better than this best of the rest game we ended up with. Couldn't beat an okie state team that couldn't beat a mac team at home. Pretty pathetic
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Let's see, the last 4 seasons Holgs has won 4, then 7, then 8, and now 10 with a chance at 11 games.

Seems like he's done a good job correcting his mistakes early in his tenure and has us on a good path with a top notch QB coming in next year.

You sound like a huge pussy. This was a hell of a season for WVU. If you want top 5-10 results on a consistent basis, go ahead and cough up some cash to invest into the program.
 
Spookycat2002 said:
Anyone with average knowledge of college football knows that the cotton bowl is one of the oldest and most prestigious bowl games in college Football. The cotton bowl is played in the jerry dome one of the most impressive football venues ever built. If we would have landed that game against Western Michigan of course we would have wanted a more traditional opponent but its the Cotton Bowl for god sake a New Years Day bowl. Instead we ended up in a best of the rest second rate bowl game that will probably change names a few more times before it eventually folds. On top of that we landed a Miami program that hasn't been relevant on the national stage since they were a regular on our schedule. Out of all the wvu teams that went bowling after 10+ wins in a season this is by far the weakest and least impressive opponent faced. If we were to lose this game to an 8-4 ACC scrub it would be one of the most embarrassing bowl losses in Modern Wvu football history. Any attempt to rationalize this game as being better than the cotton or any other New years day bowl is a feeble attempt to rationalize a disappointing bowl berth for a team that won 10 games!!!!!
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No matter how you slice it, Western Michigan is a MAC team. And while the Cotton Bowl has history, I remember a number of those games played in sleet/cold rain. Dallas can get chilly in January.

On the other hand, Miami is a team we have some history with--some good, some bad. And like it or not, they are pretty good this year. I am not insulted by the pairing, and I think it will be a good game. Orlando is warmer with more to do, and I think we'll have decent crowd support there.

Just my opinion.
Lgm!
 
Regardless of the rigged CFP rankings, WVU had an exceptional season at 10-2 with two major losses. Oklahoma hurt the most because it was self-inflicted. But I wouldn't scoff at Miami till after WVU wins the bowl game, even though the disrespect for WVU will continue nationally. But not in the Mountain State.
 
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GetYaNumbersUp said:
There are bowl tie ins, the Cotton Bowl can't just "pick us." If OU had made the playoffs, we'd be in the Alamo Bowl but since they didn't and we are the #3 team we get the RAB.

Spooky Cat, joins on Halloween 2016 and starts trashing everything about the program and head coach on a daily basis.

hmmmm...seems legit.
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Numbers... correct on the Cotton Bowl, it no longer has any ties to the old SWC, Big 8/12 or any of the old days. Now it is strictly an at-large Bowl and can take whoever they want, but there is a preference to a highly ranked G5 program vs. a P5 program if deemed a suitable match-up.

I think it is great for WMU to get this bid, they EARNED it. Chances for any current BigXii team to play in the Cotton Bowl in the future are slim, you'd have to have contended for both the BigXii title and be in discussions for the CFP and then there would be other options; Sugar Bowl for one.
 
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