How many wins does Dana need to get another year?
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I've seen this retreading thread about 10 times too many.....is this all we got to talk about a week before the season? Boring thread is boring.
I know, I know........
I know, I know........
I wouldn't exactly call this a rebuilding year. Other than QB and WR, it's pretty much what you'd expect from a college team. And its not like a freshman being thrown into the fire at QB. If this is a rebuilding year, then next year will be on defense.
It is? Pretty tough to make that argument when both resident beat writers on this site, the resident Big 12 bloggers on ESPN, and numerous others are tabbing this as Holgorsen's best WVU team yet since joining the Big 12...even with caveats about the road schedule being duly noted.
Absolutely everyone is hyping the defense out the wazoo. If this is a rebuilding year, then Holgorsen is never going to have any other kind.
Every year is a 'rebuilding' year if the fans aren't satisfied with the number of W's a team is able to get in the previous year. Think about it. WV will have to rebuild every year if they stay in the Big 12. They cannot win enough games to satisfy the fans when they go up against teams like Texas, Oklahoma, OK State, etc. These teams are FLUSH with cash. Hail, if they can beat the likes of Kansas and Kansas State are doing very well. GET IT NOW? I am an onry man and tell it like it is. See picture at left. Me.............I ain't unhappy with the brand WVU is putting on the big screen. Very exciting games! Win or lose............I don't give a rip. I like the excitement WVU brings to the living room ...............every week! Holgs and his Ret Bull are the real deal!
you or i could coach this defense to being pretty good. but it is definitely a rebuilding year for the offense
Okay so lets say 1 of the 2 units is in rebuilding mode. Have you factored the other teams rebuilding units into your 5 win scenario?
Dana is not the kind of coach that wins with good defense. you won't see him coach to win with defense and time of possession. Offense will have to be good to win more than 7. 5 is a good number for this team and this coach.
I think no one knows how the 2015 season will turn out, including me. College football players are so different from year to year, and every year is a rebuilding year because the seniors keep moving on.
But let's get this season started! I'm ready!
M anhandle Georgia Southern
O bliterate Liberty
U nilaterally decimate Maryland
N euter Oklahoma
T rample Oklahoma State
A nnihilate Baylor
I ncinerate TCU
N ail Texas Tech
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E viscerate Kansas
R ip open a new one for Iowa State
S kewer Kansas State
But let's get this season started! I'm ready!
M anhandle Georgia Southern
O bliterate Liberty
U nilaterally decimate Maryland
N euter Oklahoma
T rample Oklahoma State
A nnihilate Baylor
I ncinerate TCU
N ail Texas Tech
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E viscerate Kansas
R ip open a new one for Iowa State
S kewer Kansas State
If Dana can't win more than five games, he won't make it through the season as a head coach. If we are good enough to compete in the Big XII then the OOC games have to be "easy wins". Then Kansas and Iowa State are pretty much the same. That's five wins. If we lose to every other team in the Big XII their won't be enough fans in the seats to carry Dana out of town on said rail. It will be a mass exodus of fans fleeing until Dana is fired. And five years into it, who could blame them?
Let's just wait until the end of the season to figure out if Holgo won enough games. I've never been a big Holgo fan but he has been getting better each year in the Big 12, recruiting is getting better each year, and we showed enough last year to demonstrate that we're a player or two from winning the conference. This year has a lot of promise, Holgo has matured, and we have a lot of depth. WVU is in a different conference now with tough opponents each week. We need to quit the negativity and get behind this team.
To answer the OP, I'd think if we don't make a bowl Dana is history. And their are scenarios were we do make a bowl and he is history. If we beat the teams that should be inked in as wins this season and maybe TTU that makes us eligible for a bowl without beating one team that will be competing for a conference title. Does that really seem like we are improving?
Lets just hope for the Mountaineer fans the bad losses and erratic performances of the years past are building towards something sustainable. If not half a decade will be wasted on a "project" head coach.
Lets just hope for the Mountaineer fans the bad losses and erratic performances of the years past are building towards something sustainable. If not half a decade will be wasted on a "project" head coach.
5 wins and he's fired, or at least should be. That would bring his Big 12 record to 7-6, 4-8, 7-6, 5-7.
Any self respecting program would fire their coach for that.
Any self respecting program would fire their coach for that.
Holgorsen's total winning percentage is not that much lower than Nehlen's total winning percentage and Don was here for 20 years. Nehlen also went 15 years without a bowl win and had a number of losing seasons. I guess if the bottom drops out with only 3 or 4 wins a change might be considered. Then again if Holgorsen leads WVU to a Big 12 championship, he might be here for 20 more years.
I think 5 wins this year would be a disaster. I suppose a string of inexplicable events could happen that would contribute to 5 wins only. But short of that I think 5 wins clearly puts Dana on the hot seat if not out the door.
But It really comes down to how the team looks and plays over the season. Freaky things out of anyone's control can happen and they sometimes can go against you in bunches even if you are playing well. But stupid and uninspiring performances can take off whatever shine there is on something like a 7 win season.
But It really comes down to how the team looks and plays over the season. Freaky things out of anyone's control can happen and they sometimes can go against you in bunches even if you are playing well. But stupid and uninspiring performances can take off whatever shine there is on something like a 7 win season.
Two, either TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, or the bowl opponent. If he beats one of them and wins the bowl game he's safe. If he beats two them, he gets a long term contract extension. If beats two of them and wins the bowl game, he's here as long as he wants to be.
There are five likely wins on the schedule and three toss-ups as I see it. That should get you at least six wins and bowl eligible. Winning one of the above and the bowl makes the new AD comfortable and calms the fan base. Winning two of three should get the money guys on board.
If WVU ends up at 6-7 or 5-7, Dana is out the door. An AD with an SEC background isn't going to put up with that type of season without making a change. Last season was Dana's grace period with Lyon's, IMO, and it ended with a "pffffftt....."
There are five likely wins on the schedule and three toss-ups as I see it. That should get you at least six wins and bowl eligible. Winning one of the above and the bowl makes the new AD comfortable and calms the fan base. Winning two of three should get the money guys on board.
If WVU ends up at 6-7 or 5-7, Dana is out the door. An AD with an SEC background isn't going to put up with that type of season without making a change. Last season was Dana's grace period with Lyon's, IMO, and it ended with a "pffffftt....."
umm ... Lyons didn't become AD until the season was over, so how was it supposedly Dana's "grace period"?
Kick off the damn football and get the season started. I can't stand the waiting!
WVU should start 3-0 with GaSo, Liberty and Maryland showing up at Mountaineer Field.
Ah, but then the October Octopus Onslaught arrives: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU, possibly the four best teams in the Big 12. Even a split would be a good thing with OOO.
M anhandle Georgia Southern
O bliterate Liberty
U nilaterally decimate Maryland
N euter Oklahoma
T rample Oklahoma State
A nnihilate Baylor
I ncinerate TCU
N ail Texas Tech
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E viscerate Kansas
R ip open a new one for Iowa State
S kewer Kansas State
WVU should start 3-0 with GaSo, Liberty and Maryland showing up at Mountaineer Field.
Ah, but then the October Octopus Onslaught arrives: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU, possibly the four best teams in the Big 12. Even a split would be a good thing with OOO.
M anhandle Georgia Southern
O bliterate Liberty
U nilaterally decimate Maryland
N euter Oklahoma
T rample Oklahoma State
A nnihilate Baylor
I ncinerate TCU
N ail Texas Tech
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E viscerate Kansas
R ip open a new one for Iowa State
S kewer Kansas State
If people are typing the "how many wins to save his job" posts then I would say that it should already be decided that he NOT come back. If we don't win 7 games this year, get him out of here.
He's getting another year. First year starter at qb and wrs. Road schedule as someone already mentioned.
9. Indeed recruitment APPEARS to be better BUT the results on the field have been the same - poor with no improvement or progress toward a stronger football program. Now if we go 8-4 I might have a different view, but right now just don't see progress. the same
mistakes (poor special teams play, too many dumb penalties and no QB development) we've seen for the last 4 1/2 years.
mistakes (poor special teams play, too many dumb penalties and no QB development) we've seen for the last 4 1/2 years.
Well, I did warn you about the October Octopus Onslaught.
Too many tentacles for WVU to overcome.
Well, I did warn you about the October Octopus Onslaught.
What the heck is that? I repeatedly find myself asking whether posters are for real or some kind of inside joke. How long does it take to figure out this place?
What the heck is that? I repeatedly find myself asking whether posters are for real or some kind of inside joke. How long does it take to figure out this place?
You've already homed in on some of the board buffoons, Drifter, but Cuyahoga seems to be a legitimate poster.
He's a retired newspaper man who appears to enjoy occasional wordplay, presumably as an outlet for those old writing skills.
Some people give him a hard time for no real reason, but I really enjoy his memories of WVU history and ability to be so involved with the board at his age. He's mentioned before that he attended his first Mountaineer game in the late 1930s. Fun dude, I think.
Well, OK. My mom told me to respect my elders and I'm no literary critic, but a writer should employ alliteration sparingly and not when it makes no sense whatsoever. Octopus has no relationship to anything to do with football or our schedule. I thought it might relate to some past joke on the board.
It does share the same Latin root with October but, since the days of the Romans, who predate even someone who went to games in 1930s, October has not even been the 8th month.
I know old time sportswriters like alliteration and flowery prose but October Onslaught would suffice if one feels the need to channel Grantland Rice.
It does share the same Latin root with October but, since the days of the Romans, who predate even someone who went to games in 1930s, October has not even been the 8th month.
I know old time sportswriters like alliteration and flowery prose but October Onslaught would suffice if one feels the need to channel Grantland Rice.
