is there ANY member of this administration who hasn't?.......almost a pre requisite for being a part of this 8 year mistake
Hillary broke the law....BUT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
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It didn't help her prez bid, that's a difference.
However, The Times reports that the imposition of penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare because the National Archives has so few enforcement mechanisms.
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However, The Times reports that the imposition of penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare because the National Archives has so few enforcement mechanisms.
This post was edited on 3/3 9:05 AM by moe
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I don't believe she broke the law. She may have violated administrative procedure or policy but I don't believe she broke the law. Do you really think she is dumb? Do you really think she didn't think it through? It was purposeful; her personal e-mail account is arguably not subject to a FOIA or subpoena (I said arguably).
"Do you really think she is dumb?"
No, she is just dishonest as hell ............. just like any politician, be it Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc.
Truthfully, being perfidious is far worse than being dumb as at least a muttonhead can claim ignorance.
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No, she is just dishonest as hell ............. just like any politician, be it Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc.
Truthfully, being perfidious is far worse than being dumb as at least a muttonhead can claim ignorance.
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Re: She may or may not have
Depends on whether any of the e-mails sent to her personal account were intended to be an official record of business.
And please, stop using that out of context quote about Benghazi. You know as well as I do that she never said the four deaths in Benghazi made no difference. I also know, after reading several articles about this, that the whole tempest in the mud puddle is about Benghazi a-gain.
Depends on whether any of the e-mails sent to her personal account were intended to be an official record of business.
And please, stop using that out of context quote about Benghazi. You know as well as I do that she never said the four deaths in Benghazi made no difference. I also know, after reading several articles about this, that the whole tempest in the mud puddle is about Benghazi a-gain.
Re: Wrong again. CNN reporter confirms she broke the law.
Well there you have it. If a CNN reporter said it, end of story.
Well there you have it. If a CNN reporter said it, end of story.
Re: I'll cite many other sources
I never said it was was wise, due to security reasons. I said it wasn't against the law. It's NOT. It may violate policy but it's not against the law. Law and policy are two different things. And please don't quote some reporter when trying to argue the law. You don't know how stupid that makes you look.
I never said it was was wise, due to security reasons. I said it wasn't against the law. It's NOT. It may violate policy but it's not against the law. Law and policy are two different things. And please don't quote some reporter when trying to argue the law. You don't know how stupid that makes you look.
What part of this do you not understand?
Hillary Clinton used a personal email account exclusively while serving as secretary of state, the New York Times reported Monday, a move that may have broken federal law requiring official communications be retained by the government.
During her four years at the State Department, Clinton did not have a government issued email address, agency officials told the Times. There was also no attempt made to archive her emails, as required by the Federal Records Act.
Federal law considers most letters and emails written and received by officials to be government records that should be preserved, so that congressional committees, reporters, and historians can access them in the future.
Hillary Clinton used a personal email account exclusively while serving as secretary of state, the New York Times reported Monday, a move that may have broken federal law requiring official communications be retained by the government.
During her four years at the State Department, Clinton did not have a government issued email address, agency officials told the Times. There was also no attempt made to archive her emails, as required by the Federal Records Act.
Federal law considers most letters and emails written and received by officials to be government records that should be preserved, so that congressional committees, reporters, and historians can access them in the future.
Of course you don't think she broke the law.... Gee,wonder why...
"WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) - Former White House Press
Secretary Robert Gibbs believes it's "highly unusual" that former
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would use a personal email account,
and not a governmental one, during her time at the State Department.
The New York Times
reports that Clinton only used a personal account to conduct government
business over email as secretary of state. By doing so, it "may have
violated federal requirements that officials' correspondence be retained
as part of the agency's record," according to The Times.
The former press secretary for President Barack Obama told NBC's "Today" he can't think of a reason why Clinton wouldn't have a government email account."
"WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) - Former White House Press
Secretary Robert Gibbs believes it's "highly unusual" that former
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would use a personal email account,
and not a governmental one, during her time at the State Department.
The New York Times
reports that Clinton only used a personal account to conduct government
business over email as secretary of state. By doing so, it "may have
violated federal requirements that officials' correspondence be retained
as part of the agency's record," according to The Times.
The former press secretary for President Barack Obama told NBC's "Today" he can't think of a reason why Clinton wouldn't have a government email account."
she is smart.......she and others will wait for the GOP attack dogs to
respond and trip over themselves by misusing it and other examples of pursuit against them. The GOP isn't smart, e.g. tying immigration to DHS legislation, etc. etc.
respond and trip over themselves by misusing it and other examples of pursuit against them. The GOP isn't smart, e.g. tying immigration to DHS legislation, etc. etc.
So what happens to you if you violate your employers policies?
"It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario - short of nuclear
winter - where an agency would be justified in allowing its
cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications
channel for the conduct of government business," said Jason R. Baron, a
lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of
litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.
"I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a
high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a
personal email account for the transaction of government business," said
Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.
Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the
time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts
be preserved as part of the agency's records.
Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama
does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record
preserved for historical purposes.
"It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario - short of nuclear
winter - where an agency would be justified in allowing its
cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications
channel for the conduct of government business," said Jason R. Baron, a
lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of
litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.
"I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a
high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a
personal email account for the transaction of government business," said
Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.
Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the
time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts
be preserved as part of the agency's records.
Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama
does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record
preserved for historical purposes.
Re: First there has to be a policy
Once again, there was no policy -- let alone law -- that required Hillary or any other cabinet official to use only government e-mail. The requirement not followed (or not followed closely enough for some people) was, and is, that all official correspondence be preserved as a public record, and that's where Hillary's practice apparently differed from Powell (who also used commercial e-mail because he despised the network we use) -- she didn't bother to ensure that her staff was keeping an official record.
Once again, there was no policy -- let alone law -- that required Hillary or any other cabinet official to use only government e-mail. The requirement not followed (or not followed closely enough for some people) was, and is, that all official correspondence be preserved as a public record, and that's where Hillary's practice apparently differed from Powell (who also used commercial e-mail because he despised the network we use) -- she didn't bother to ensure that her staff was keeping an official record.
If that's true, why do some "expert" think she may have?....
One would think there must be some basis for thinking she may have. So you would agree she is guilty of something if she did not keep records of every e-mail that had anything to do with government business? I can see her defense already. She did not know her underlings were not complying with requirements.....Classsic....
One would think there must be some basis for thinking she may have. So you would agree she is guilty of something if she did not keep records of every e-mail that had anything to do with government business? I can see her defense already. She did not know her underlings were not complying with requirements.....Classsic....
Re: I'll cite many other sources
It violates a ton of security regulations/laws. Not saying it would happen, but if it was you or I, we could face fines, imprisonment, and loss of clearance. It's also grounds for immediate termination.
Re: I'll cite many other sources
immediate termination? No. Feds are allowed to use personal e-mail accounts to conduct business so long as security clearances/levels aren't violated. Feds can transfer e-mails and info from personal e-mail accounts to gov e-mail accounts, so long as security clearances/levels aren't violated.
Laws? No.
immediate termination? No. Feds are allowed to use personal e-mail accounts to conduct business so long as security clearances/levels aren't violated. Feds can transfer e-mails and info from personal e-mail accounts to gov e-mail accounts, so long as security clearances/levels aren't violated.
Re: I'll cite many other sources
we are both making assumptions here and that is whether she did or didnt violate the security classifications aspect of it. i'm assuming she had to if she never even had a state address. thats also assuming she wasn't on SIPR.
Re: What part of this do you not understand?
But the law as quoted has only applied to electronic communication since November 2014. That's why this is coming out now -- State asked all former Secretaries to turn over any existing e-mail from their tenure and learned that Hillary didn't have a .gov account and nobody had been keeping her e-mails. She's the only one who's turned any over, by the way -- 55,000 pages worth.
