Conference realignment: Big Ten interest in additional Pac-12 teams has cooled, Big 12 positioned well
Pac-12 negotiations are about to get interesting as the Big Ten nears an announcement
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Someone from the Big 10 said today they are no more teams available that have sufficient value to be added besides Notre Dame. Was that simply for Notre Dame's benefit? Assuring them that if they join there will no more slices out of the pie as an inducement. Notre Dame cannot get a pie of their own as big as that slice.
Big 10 has been pretty much saying that for weeks the only other two or three out there that may add value are FSU, Clemson or Miami but their not currently available.
Its not bullshit its true. What the Big 12 does is entirely dependent on the Big 10. Big 12 has no chance at any Pac 12 teams unless the Big 10 raids it again. There is nothing of value for the big 10 to raid at the moment.
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I understand Clemson and FSU, but not Miami just can't find any criteria that would qualify Miami. They are not AAU, average nowhere near the viewership, and they are still a small, private university. Florida or FSU certainly meet the criteria and effectively deliver the viewership of the state.
Clemson currently has sufficient viewership but that may be all. They are not AAU, have only 20,00 undergraduates and is in a very rural area 50 miles from the nearest practical airport. How would they be above Oregon?
FSU isn't AAU either and it isn't going to be long before that criteria gets discarded. Clemson is over Oregon in many categories. Clemson wins national championships something Oregon doesn't. Clemson plays in a stadium that is 80K plus. Oregon plays in a stadium that's only 54K. There stadium is smaller than what Wvu plays in. Clemson is 14th in all time wins Oregon is 36th. Oregon is below Wvu in all time wins. Clemson is in a fertile recruiting region Oregon isn't. Whether you consider Clemson a Blue Blood or not they are closer to it than Oregon is on many levels. I can understand Not putting Miami on that list .But the way John Ruiz is buying up players if he rebuilds the so called wall around South Florida they have much more upside than the Majority of Power 5 teams.
Btw Eugene Oregon is 111 mile from the nearest practical airport. Oregon can't even stop teams from poaching their own coach's. Miami just poached Oregon's coach.
The BIG 12 still has a very good shot at landing PAC schools because the PAC is still destabilized. Schools continue to want out of that league and almost certainly some are going because otherwise UCLA and USC are way out by themselves. The only window where they have any kind of presence is late night because there is no competition and the schools don’t like that window-it’s a reason they were unstable to begin with. Oregon and Washington in order to not leave right away want more revenues than other schools. Schools in that conference don’t want to sign long term grants of rights deals. They’ve already passed their initial negotiation window without an ESPN deal and Fox reportedly did not choose to bid, They were the least competitive football league already outside of the ACC and now have Lost two schools that traditionally have been stronger than most others. Far more likely to make playoffs and now with multiple teams. Meanwhile the BIG 12 has stabilized, has availability to fill coast to coast broadcast windows, is a highly competitive league across the board in both major sports. Experts project their future revenues to be higher than those of the PAC.
Notre Dame - will be interesting to see what they do. The ACC is likely going to have schools challenging that GOR before 14 years is up- and that means that raft for ND other sports would be gone. The Big Ten revenues aren’t going to be anywhere in the lower ballpark of ACC payouts to ND, they would earn so much more that ACC spinners can’t continue with the “ well it’s only a few million more than us” spin any longer. Plus the ESPn jewel SEC has really few places to go except to the ACC to try to catch up to the superior Big Ten. But if NBC won’t pay ND then ESPN might. Of course Fox could weigh in with Notre Dame and NBC.
No Idea what they’ll do but it’s about the money and perceived power for them as well.
No Idea what they’ll do but it’s about the money and perceived power for them as well.
Big 12 will do nothing
Big 10 and SEC are on hold
Only 5 or 6 schools in ACC worth the risk for SEC or Big 10
PAC will add 4 G5 schools just like Big 12 did and that will be that for the next 12 years.
Big 10 and SEC are on hold
Only 5 or 6 schools in ACC worth the risk for SEC or Big 10
PAC will add 4 G5 schools just like Big 12 did and that will be that for the next 12 years.
Big XII really doesn't need to do anything. Stay put at 12. What really needs to transpire though, is opening up the playoff field to 12-16 teams. Make it with auto-bids for winning your conference title, and include even the G5 conferences. Hell, I would watch Central Michigan take on Alabama in the opening round, just like I watch Texas Southern take on Duke in the opening round of the NCAA tournament. Better than the option of watching Central Michigan take on Troy in the WhoGivesAfvckBowl on December the 19th. I think if you're going to keep fans of the Big XII, MAC, Pac 12, American interested in college football, you're either going to have to open it up for them to have a shot, or perhaps better yet, start a new division of football for those conferences who don't have a shot at the playoffs before the opening kickoff of the first game.
IMO...new division of football is the ultimate goal for the P2 conferences of SEC and Big 10.
Which will ruin college football, unless they expand by a shit load of teams. If WVU were to be playing in a perceived lower division, it would be a program killer. Sure, they would compete well against whatever teams aren't part of the P2, but you'll lose out in other areas, which will all lead to revenue losses. Can't see a WVU fan also cheering on whoever would be the local P2 team, like a Maryland, PSU, OSU, etc.
Not gonna happen
The Pac-12 will survive
It isn't 100-percent official as a point of fact, but it is virtually impossible for the #Pac12 to splinter or die at this point. The conference will not become extinct.
I hate to have to agree with this because I want otherwise, but hard to believe from the start that the storied Pac conference is simply going to get absorbed. I still think Utah could peel off since they are a Big12 fit anyway, but who comes with them? My concern is maybe Utah comes with a non power school, which would not be an improvement for the conference overall as Utah is barely a P5 school themselves.Not gonna happen
The Pac-12 will survive
It isn't 100-percent official as a point of fact, but it is virtually impossible for the #Pac12 to splinter or die at this point. The conference will not become extinct.sports.yahoo.com
Big 12 expansion would have been entirely dependent on another Big 10 raid. Big 10 wasn't going to take another Pac 12 team. Most of the four corner schools were never high on the Big 12. They viewed it more as a back up plan. Teams like to avoid back up plans at all costs.
It isn't dependent on the B10 completely.
If ESPN says to ASU...."if you stay in the PAC 12 you are getting $28M/year at best, but if you and AU, CU and Utah are part of the Big 12 then they will bump up to $40M/yr" If that happens, do you remotely believe they are going to stay and wait 2 years (or more) for the B10? Hell no. The Big 10 has clearly stated what programs they feel will "bring value." It's equally obvious that the ACC is one move from being the AAC and those leftovers will be knocking down the B12s door. Do they risk being completely left out?
The B10 has power, but money talks and the Big10 ain't cutting checks. If ESPN is out of the B10 sweepstakes do you not think that might motivate them to push Oregon and Washington to the Big 12? Why wouldn't they?!?
1) The lead guy working the TV deal for the Big 12 is a former ESPN guy.
2) ESPN is likely pissed at the Big 10 as they had a huge role in their current status/leverage.
3) Moving Oregon to the Big 12 gives ESPN and the Big 12 some leverage if the Big 10 and SEC are going to leave the NCAA. It would be another "Pro" to bringing the B12 along. Do you think ESPN wants to give a 10 year big $$ contract to the Big 12 if they are relegated to the D League in 5 years? F$&k no.
The back up to the back up plan is unquestionable irrelevance. That backup plan suddenly has some shine to it.
Yup and potentially means the Pac12 and Big12 could be fighting over schools like Boise and Fresno soon enough. Gotta grabs the scraps or go hungry.
The Big East still exists. Just saying.Not gonna happen
The Pac-12 will survive
It isn't 100-percent official as a point of fact, but it is virtually impossible for the #Pac12 to splinter or die at this point. The conference will not become extinct.
I only cheer for WVU. No it would not be a program killer. It would just mean they are out of bull shit and rat race back to normal sports. Whoever chooses to jump off the bandwagon because WVU is not in the Big 2 was never a fan to begin with.
Pac 12 teams are not going to the Big 12. Au Cu and ASU are not going to get the Big 12 40 million. Espn would probably like to get rid of the Big 12 1st. They have pretty much allowed it to get raided over the last 25 years. Conferences that are centered around the coasts are more valuable then ones in the middle of the country. The Acc may be a raid a way from AAC status but the big 12 is pretty much one step up from that now.
Not in football. The basketball only schools split and bought the name of the Big East conference.
You lack a lot of knowledge of what's happening.
But it did "survive"....right. "Surviving" and "relevant" are not mutually inclusive.
That's my point. There are many levels of "survival." The new PAC 12 would be more AAC than SEC to say the least.
If it happens come back and talk but its not gonna happen and its been pretty apparent for some time now.
Your fall will be glorious. I'll bring the condiments boss. Just bring your appetite.
"Glorious" = massive backpedaling and excuse making.
I have more knowledge than you because it hasn't happened like I said. But you contradict yourself all the time
