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Great insight into what's going on in Big 12 expansion.

There are a lot of good points, but it is silly to think that UCONN brings in the New York market. At best I see UCONN sitting at number 5 behind UC, BYU, UCF and Memphis.
 
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I would think that UConn being a member of the Big12 instead of the AAC would absolutely add more TV sets. This is a solid candidate for expansion and I would be fine with UConn being in the Big12. Certainly can't argue about what they bring in basketball and honestly their football program is better RIGHT NOW than Iowa State and Kansas. The big question is who is number 12? Cincinnati, Memphis, Navy football only, UCF, USF would all be good additions one way or another. Houston makes the most sense. Notre Dame would be the grand slam but I don't see that happening although they will eventually be forced to become a member of a P-5 conference. UConn and Cincinnati wouldn't bother me at all.
 
1) I think Buck is the only person allowed to bring up expansion articles/topics.
2) We finally have all the tin-foil hat material condensed into one thread full of unicorns and rainbows. Please keep this stuff there.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/expansion.65795/page-4#post-673227

3) We are at least 2-3 years from expansion since we made the playoffs this year. These articles will likely still be on here until the GOR is up and we do expand or merge or .....something.
 
I'd rather see the Big XII stay at ten teams if the only programs being considered are the ones in this thread.......
 
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I continually find it funny that so many folks feel that any of the "usual expansion suspects" are not worthy of being in the same neighborhood as WVU and our other "elite" brethren. Get real. If that were the case....why would Rutgers be in the Big 10, Vanderbilt be in the SEC, and a long list of schools in the ACC including Louisville? Or for that matter...why would Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech and WVU be in the Big 12(12-2=10)?

Connecticut would bring a lot NY and New England eyeballs from that population complex. Cincinnati cuts into the midwest, and with success, would grow TV there as well. For that matter UCF and USF would dramatically alter the potential ratings for any network bellying up to the money bar.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 go "big" and include all four to build the case for even stronger future contracts.

The "not worthy of us" argument is self defeating for the Big 12 in the long run.
 
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I continually find it funny that so many folks feel that any of the "usual expansion suspects" are not worthy of being in the same neighborhood as WVU and our other "elite" brethren. Get real. If that were the case....why would Rutgers be in the Big 10, Vanderbilt be in the SEC, and a long list of schools in the ACC including Louisville? Or for that matter...why would Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech and WVU be in the Big 12(12-2=10)?

Connecticut would bring a lot NY and New England eyeballs from that population complex. Cincinnati cuts into the midwest, and with success, would grow TV there as well. For that matter UCF and USF would dramatically alter the potential ratings for any network bellying up to the money bar.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Big 12 go "big" and include all four to build the case for even stronger future contracts.

The "not worthy of us" argument is self defeating for the Big 12 in the long run.


Rutgers was brought on for TV sets...that's it. They are an obvious step down from the B10 elite programs and they don't care. They fit the financial model of the BTN....just like Maryland.

Vandy has been an SEC member forever, and remember there was a time that the blue chip states for recruiting were in the rust belt and that's where the best teams were. The SEC in the 70's was just another conference. Therefore, Vandy is pretty much grandfathered into the SEC. They would be in the Sun Belt now if they weren't called Vandy and had to find a conference based on performance and demographics.

UL was worthy of a P5 conference. They ended up in the ACC because of basketball (and that they weren't from WV).
The B12 group you mentioned (besides WVU) have been in other manifestations of this conference (SWAC, Big 8), so it was kind of a Vandy thing there.

WVU was pure survival-ism of both ends. We needed out and the B12 needed anyone that could come in and fill that 10th spot in order to not lose the TV contract.

With no conference network in sight, UConn brings nothing. (Small school, poor facilities, poor recruiting, overlapping TV market with Rutgers and Syracuse, mediocre program short and long term, longish trip for us and super-long trip for the rest of the B12). Awful choice IMO.


UCF is hands down the best team available right now for what the B12 needs. You can just add them and drop an OOC game and keep the RR format if you want. Build them up and then wait for the GOR to expire. Place them at 1/2 member share of the money and they will be happy to do so for the next decade while the conference gets a full share. If other teams shake out of the ACC, then we can pick up the best options at that point to even the schedule out eventually. The B1G did 11 teams for years and were fine with it.
 
I'd be happy with UConn and Cincy in the B12.

Then in the next realignment flurry that happens within a decade all of the P5 schools in the East will form a "new" conference .... I'm talking about UConn, BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, MD, and VaTech. Add Navy and Temple and we'll be right where we wanted to be all along.

It's all very clear to me now.
 
If the Big12 wants to make inroads in Florida, I think they should bring in both South Florida and Central Florida. Just bringing in one would not do it. However, I don't really see the need for any expansion. I think that the current 10 team set up is perfect both competitively and financially as is.
 
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All these teams suggested that would be good for WVU as a travel partners or places with lots of TV. Profound silence from the Texas and Oklahoma people. What do they want? That is what is going to happen. Texas and Oklahoma are still the big dogs. Do they want to double down on their travel budget to add even more games back east? Will that make it easier for them to make the national playoff? Or would it add just as many TV sets to bring in Houston, Colorado State, or even Tulane? Do Oklahoma and Texas presidents and admins see coming east to add teams as the slam dunk that posters on our threads do? Oklahoma isn't talking about it and the only thread about it on the Texas board devolved into a religious discussion about Mormonism. About the only posters bringing up Cincy and UCONN are WVU posters and the reaction to those posts was, crickets mostly. Lots of Texas fans just want out of the BIG12 as a better option.
 
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All these teams suggested that would be good for WVU as a travel partners or places with lots of TV. Profound silence from the Texas and Oklahoma people. What do they want? That is what is going to happen. Texas and Oklahoma are still the big dogs. Do they want to double down on their travel budget to add even more games back east? Will that make it easier for them to make the national playoff? Or would it add just as many TV sets to bring in Houston, Colorado State, or even Tulane? Do Oklahoma and Texas presidents and admins see coming east to add teams as the slam dunk that posters on our threads do? Oklahoma isn't talking about it and the only thread about it on the Texas board devolved into a religious discussion about Mormonism. About the only posters bringing up Cincy and UCONN are WVU posters and the reaction to those posts was, crickets mostly. Lots of Texas fans just want out of the BIG12 as a better option.

You may be mistaking message board posters with Texas or OU fans. The conference commissioner and several members of the conference have discussed going east because that's where the population is, and they believe WVU has been a good partner and deserves a neighbor.
 
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