Our "top 10 offense" scored 10 2nd half points against the worst defense in the Big 12..........
Gibson needs to be fired after Gundy's comments
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Our "top 10 offense" scored 10 2nd half points against the worst defense in the Big 12..........
If points allowed is the only thing that matters
Then points scored per game is all that matters too
Your own logic.
Good job. Good effort
Just be honest..... all you care about is that Gibson is from WV and that means you will defend him to death....... t-shirt fans, man
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Keaton is right. Maybe not about people's motivations for defending him, but about Gibson's weakness as a defensive coordinator really isn't under much dispute.
I too have taken a "wait and see" approach to Gibson this year. I've called for his replacement for 2 years. But, with these factors in mind,
1) nearly every team in the B12 replaced their QB this year
2) a boat load of offensive talent left the B12 last year to NFL and/or graduation
3) We returned potentially the best assortment of offensive talent in the league - the only real question marks were on the interior line and TE - so we should be able to score well enough to win nearly every game.
4. Our defense should be able to hold most teams, outside of Texass who returned their QB to go along with talented receivers and Oklahoma who always just rebuilds, to 24 points or less.
With this in mind, I felt we should lose at most 2 games and definitely be in the B12 championship game. Not necessarily win it, but at the least be there. This possibility still exists...
But, the defense is being exposed.
1) The defensive line play is better but that came from better quality players who are one and dones. However, there was only room for improvement from the past several years. Their effectiveness has waned as the season has progressed.
2) Outside of David Long, who has been a beast this year, the linebacker corp is horrendous. I know that some folks think that injury has played a part in this but I don't think so. They aren't really good to start with. Lots of recruiting misses here. Some like Campbell and Tonkery play OK going downhill but get totally lost moving sideline to sideline. Won't mention anyone who is supposed to be great but hasn't played more than a quarter in 3 years.
3) The secondary is clueless. We can't jam receivers so that blitzes can get home. We give up inside releases too easily, especially against teams that try to throw slants on short yardage situations. Our cushions make no sense - backing off 7 yards on 3rd and short opportunities and 15 yards on 3rd and 8.
If these were one year abnormalities, oh well. But, these are yearly problems that have been yearly problems for YEARS now.
Now, we will have to try to backdoor our way into the B12CG. In that game, we will have to score approximately 50 points to have a chance of winning. Think about that, we will have to score the equivalent of 8 touchdowns in order to have a chance to win. Even then, it may not be enough. Yet, people will gripe that we only scored 45 or 42.
We all want a championship level team here. Defense wins championships. We aren't going to get that with Gibson at the helm, that much has been proven so far. We don't get the recruits, we don't get the talent, with him in charge. We need a proven "brand name", either as DC or HC, to bring enough of those people in if we are going to ever get there.
I too have taken a "wait and see" approach to Gibson this year. I've called for his replacement for 2 years. But, with these factors in mind,
1) nearly every team in the B12 replaced their QB this year
2) a boat load of offensive talent left the B12 last year to NFL and/or graduation
3) We returned potentially the best assortment of offensive talent in the league - the only real question marks were on the interior line and TE - so we should be able to score well enough to win nearly every game.
4. Our defense should be able to hold most teams, outside of Texass who returned their QB to go along with talented receivers and Oklahoma who always just rebuilds, to 24 points or less.
With this in mind, I felt we should lose at most 2 games and definitely be in the B12 championship game. Not necessarily win it, but at the least be there. This possibility still exists...
But, the defense is being exposed.
1) The defensive line play is better but that came from better quality players who are one and dones. However, there was only room for improvement from the past several years. Their effectiveness has waned as the season has progressed.
2) Outside of David Long, who has been a beast this year, the linebacker corp is horrendous. I know that some folks think that injury has played a part in this but I don't think so. They aren't really good to start with. Lots of recruiting misses here. Some like Campbell and Tonkery play OK going downhill but get totally lost moving sideline to sideline. Won't mention anyone who is supposed to be great but hasn't played more than a quarter in 3 years.
3) The secondary is clueless. We can't jam receivers so that blitzes can get home. We give up inside releases too easily, especially against teams that try to throw slants on short yardage situations. Our cushions make no sense - backing off 7 yards on 3rd and short opportunities and 15 yards on 3rd and 8.
If these were one year abnormalities, oh well. But, these are yearly problems that have been yearly problems for YEARS now.
Now, we will have to try to backdoor our way into the B12CG. In that game, we will have to score approximately 50 points to have a chance of winning. Think about that, we will have to score the equivalent of 8 touchdowns in order to have a chance to win. Even then, it may not be enough. Yet, people will gripe that we only scored 45 or 42.
We all want a championship level team here. Defense wins championships. We aren't going to get that with Gibson at the helm, that much has been proven so far. We don't get the recruits, we don't get the talent, with him in charge. We need a proven "brand name", either as DC or HC, to bring enough of those people in if we are going to ever get there.
10 points in 2nd half.......that's against the worst defense in the Big 12 and one that was ranked in the 90's in the nation. Twist all you want, but that's a fact. Oh, and Gibson's birth place has nothing to do with it.
Actual facts:
WVU’s offense (top 10 in America) averages 41 points a game
They got their average
WVU’s defense averages 23 points allowed....
They gave up 45.
The “Yea we scored 41, but I am only acknowledging the 2nd half” pity-**** of an argument is just sad.....
That’s how little ammo Gibson-supporters have now, since his performance as a coach hasn’t produced any
WVU’s offense (top 10 in America) averages 41 points a game
They got their average
WVU’s defense averages 23 points allowed....
They gave up 45.
The “Yea we scored 41, but I am only acknowledging the 2nd half” pity-**** of an argument is just sad.....
That’s how little ammo Gibson-supporters have now, since his performance as a coach hasn’t produced any
I can't wait til the Mountaineers take the field agin dem Sooners. Here's hoping we put a whupping on dem boys. They deserve it! Warez
Whoa! This is one of the best offenses at WVU in my memory. But they have disappointed by performing below their talent levels at Iowa State and at Oklahoma State. That's indisputable.
Gibby has done a masterful job at defense, not because he is from West Virginia, but because he has had to overcome severe losses from the 2017 team, a potful of injuries, particularly at linebacker. Yes, they have had bad streaks, just as the offense has had bad streaks. But when the offense is handed 4 turnovers and gets ONE touchdown that's nothing to brag about.
It's just assessing the pros and cons. It's not a pissing match between you and other posters. No one cares about that. All we care about is WVU being as successful as possible.
And I will love my alma mater's football team -- offense AND defense -- no matter what the score is in the Oklahoma game. I'll be in Section 105 hoping I get to sing my heart out with "Country Roads" after another WVU victory.
I think Dana, Gibby and play-calling coach have done well, on balance.
Now, work your brain hard so you can come up with ways to dispute all this. Or just enjoy a remarkable season, as I am.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S hootout success over Oklahoma & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
Keaton,
They really don't have much of an argument.
If Dana kicks field goals we may have won. May not have, hard to say.
If Grier is ever taught, after 3 years here by the way, how to tuck the damn football and not carry it like its a hot potato, we may win that game anyway. I knew it would come back to bite us at some point. It did...
However, this is the main point here: the defense still can't keep even a decent offense out of the 40's. It won't tomorrow either. That average is against teams bringing/breaking in new offensive personnel. Against the best B12 teams, scores in the 40's. One we were lucky enough to win (more like gutsy) the other we weren't.
Think about next year. Ehlinger is back. So is Purdy. So is the kid from TTU. OU will have a solid one even though we don't know who that will be yet. Basically, the entire B12 returns their starting QB's. Not to mention the other skill players returning.
Points per game will go up next year across the league. Will we have the defense to be the outlier on that average?
I think we all know the answer.
They really don't have much of an argument.
If Dana kicks field goals we may have won. May not have, hard to say.
If Grier is ever taught, after 3 years here by the way, how to tuck the damn football and not carry it like its a hot potato, we may win that game anyway. I knew it would come back to bite us at some point. It did...
However, this is the main point here: the defense still can't keep even a decent offense out of the 40's. It won't tomorrow either. That average is against teams bringing/breaking in new offensive personnel. Against the best B12 teams, scores in the 40's. One we were lucky enough to win (more like gutsy) the other we weren't.
Think about next year. Ehlinger is back. So is Purdy. So is the kid from TTU. OU will have a solid one even though we don't know who that will be yet. Basically, the entire B12 returns their starting QB's. Not to mention the other skill players returning.
Points per game will go up next year across the league. Will we have the defense to be the outlier on that average?
I think we all know the answer.
Giving up 31 points in a half
“Masterful”
CFE hasn’t been this blatantly biased since he tried to convince the board a few seasons ago that Dana Holgorsen actually had a sub-500 winning percentage.....
“Masterful”
CFE hasn’t been this blatantly biased since he tried to convince the board a few seasons ago that Dana Holgorsen actually had a sub-500 winning percentage.....
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Wasn't aware that there was a rule that stated once you got to your season average, you didn't have to score any more points. I apologize.
Iowa State........offensive "genius" that game, huh? Must have been just the player's fault that day.....
100%
Will Grier took how many sacks that night due to holding the ball
Our short routes and RBs in the flat were open all night but like always, once Grier gets hit, he gets David Sills tunnel vision
But even then, our terrible defense gave up 30 to a team and a true freshman QB who was averaging less than 24
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Well, Dana does not have the best track record for hiring coaches on that side of the ball and if we want to be honest he ran Casteel, with Kirliv and grew the best we have had out the door....and the DeForest mess would have cost anyone else there job
Tony Gibson put up “deforest-like” rankings last season
He is still employed
2017:
Total Yards Allowed - 104th
Yards per Game allowed - 111th
Points allowed - 92nd
Points per Game allowed -92nd
Passing yards allowed - 97th
Rushing yards allowed - 104th
Average - 100th
So, it's not the defensive players fault for the yards given up or missed tackles? It's Gibson's? You are a tool.
Systemic and continuous over many seasons
Tony Gibson has never had a defense finish a season ranked in the top 50 in college football
Nothing was as disorganized and bad as DeForest..that was a joke....it was a bad year agreed but they seemed to have cleaned that mess up and rebounded with picking up kids from all over the place...again chicken shit to chicken salad
ITT,
“We can’t fire him..... yes he’s awful. But that other guy we fired.... he may have been worse.”
“We can’t fire him..... yes he’s awful. But that other guy we fired.... he may have been worse.”
When Gibson was at Pitt, we wanted to fire his asssss as well, plain terrible, he needs to go for WVU to get to the top of the conference
To pay this guy +$800k is a f’en joke! People seem to forget he was
kept on Frauds staff for coffee-donut recruiting gopher and “assistant’ DB coach, terrible one at that! The only D scheme he learned was odd stack from Casteel. Dumazz doesn’t know what an even front is.
The repeated injured LB excuses is bullshat his defense wasn’t worth a shat with healthy ones in past years. This year’s D held lifeless offenses in check but as mentioned, +40 versus ones with a pulse. He is simply in over his head and OU will once again expose his schematics or lack of. OU, 3rd and 20, Murray runs or passes for 25 for a 1st, rinse, repeat.
Next year, this clowns salary goes to $950k, BS, use that money for a real DC!
kept on Frauds staff for coffee-donut recruiting gopher and “assistant’ DB coach, terrible one at that! The only D scheme he learned was odd stack from Casteel. Dumazz doesn’t know what an even front is.
The repeated injured LB excuses is bullshat his defense wasn’t worth a shat with healthy ones in past years. This year’s D held lifeless offenses in check but as mentioned, +40 versus ones with a pulse. He is simply in over his head and OU will once again expose his schematics or lack of. OU, 3rd and 20, Murray runs or passes for 25 for a 1st, rinse, repeat.
Next year, this clowns salary goes to $950k, BS, use that money for a real DC!
Then don't run Casteel and his guys off....that was a good staff
Casteel is the DC at Nevada.....helping a friend turn around a terrible program...and doing a pretty good job in year two...I hear Casteel wants to come back east...Gibby is a better recruiter...Casteel better at X's and O's
Like how Nevada was “a terrible program” in this Casteel defense
When in reality they were a .500 program under the previous coach with 2 winnings seasons out of 4.
Ole Saint Casteel luckily was available to swoop in and save a .500 team by making them a .500 team
When in reality they were a .500 program under the previous coach with 2 winnings seasons out of 4.
Ole Saint Casteel luckily was available to swoop in and save a .500 team by making them a .500 team
With a win this weekend and a bowl victory it would tie for the second most wins in program history....I wonder if Gibby and Casteel would work together again?
No one gives a crap about you or me. It's irrelevant whether you or me "wins" a debate.
True WVU fans only want our beloved Mountaineers to beat Oklahoma tonight and Texas next week. Can we agree on that at least?
I'll be in Section 105 in Mountaineer Field hoping to sing "Country Roads" after a victory. Will you be there? Or just taking potshots from afar?
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S lap Oklahoma around & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
“The facts you’ve presented don’t matter because you don’t attend games”
lol, I have no desire to stand in the cold to watch Tony Gibson give up 60 points to OK
lol, I have no desire to stand in the cold to watch Tony Gibson give up 60 points to OK
And now we know your age junior. Adults don't stand in the cold at the games...they sit. You are an attention seeking whore though aren't you?
Then your opinion is meaningless.
I will gladly sit and stand in the 36-degree cold at Mountaineer Field tonight to watch my beloved Mountaineers beat Oklahoma.
If WVU takes down the Sooners the bandwagon again will be so full that it will be extra-strong struts to keep from collapsing.
Missing out on a chance to sing "Country Roads" after a WVU victory is so pathetic. At least we know where your loyalties are. And it's not to WVU.
I'll pray for your misguided soul.
And don't think of a nasty response involving age discrimination. It makes you akin to a teen punk with a tire iron taking on a 90-year-old in a wheelchair. That's not courage; that's despicable classness.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errific, then timid on offense against Texas Tech, 42-34
A ntsy time for fans, vs. Kansas!, 38-22
I ncomprehensible insanely indescribably inept offense against Iowa State, 14-30
N ailed Baylor, 58-14
E rectile dysfunctioned Texas on 2-point PAT, 42-41
E viscerated TCU, 47-10
R etching collapse at Oklahoma State, 41-45
S lap Oklahoma around & play for Big 12 title vs. Texas
Just to be fair, making a wise crack about someones age is NOT AKIN to bludgeoning them with a tire iron while they're in a wheel chair.
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