FYI: The B12 will not make that much more $/team after the expansion.

[12375CAT]

Projected Disparity in P5 Conference Payouts

Based on some reliable reporting, a Twitter guy projected the numbers for school payouts per conference, and it only further illustrates how lucrative UCLA's move to the Big Ten could be...

247sports.com

 

[Buckaineer]

These numbers are innacurate and hypothetical. No one knows what the BIG 12 will command for media rights yet. That article doesn't even get the CURRENT BIG 12 rights correct. The BIG 12 paid out $42.6 million for the last fiscal year (2021-22) and he claims the conference won't get to that number until around 2024 (they'll actually be closer to $50 million by then).

Also to see the innacuracy of the chart, look at the projected ACC numbers. The ACC in the chart jumps from $39.6 per school in 2025 all the way up to $54.3 in 2026? What exactly would cause that jump to occur? Their contracts are locked in through 2036--they won't likely be at $54.3 million even by that far off date. in 2026 the ACC will be paying out about $40.6 million, not $54.3 million. And that is if the $39.6 million figure is even accurate, which is doubtful.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Bucky the dumb nut can't see the forest for the trees. Big 12 media contract will be far less than when OU and Texas were in it.

 

[12375CAT]

The most the 4 newcomers do is to stabilize the the conference. The 4 newcomers combined will earn the conference more $/team than if our conference stayed @ 8 teams after Mad Cows & Boomers leave.

 

[Butler-eer]

It will all change again when (hopefully) B12 adds a few PAC teams.

 

[Buckaineer]

Some idiot shills trying to downrate the BIG 12 keep spouting the BIG 12 is worth less. It’s not worth less once OU and UT leave than it is now.

When the BIG 12 signed its contracts that was in 2011-2012. It’s now 2022. The Big Ten reset media rights value with their current contract, and they have been reset again with the ESPn SEC deal and the coming Big Ten rights. The SEC upped rights by around 450% going from $55 mil to around $300 mil for their CBS to Espn deal for just 15 games.

the ENTIRE BIG 12 rights are up, and they will also get a major bump from what 2011 contracts were going for.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Some idiot shills trying to downrate the BIG 12 keep spouting the BIG 12 is worth less. It’s not worth less once OU and UT leave than it is now.

When the BIG 12 signed its contracts that was in 2011-2012. It’s now 2022. The Big Ten reset media rights value with their current contract, and they have been reset again with the ESPn SEC deal and the coming Big Ten rights. The SEC upped rights by around 450% going from $55 mil to around $300 mil for their CBS to Espn deal for just 15 games.

the ENTIRE BIG 12 rights are up, and they will also get a major bump from what 2011 contracts were going for.

And how do you know all this?

 

[Buckaineer]

And how do you know all this?

How do I know what specifically? ALL of these things have been written and reported.

The BIG 12s current contracts, the increase the SEC got from CBS to ESPN, Number of games coming from that CBS deal, The Big Tens current contracts, tv ratings and valuations of same, resetting of media rights over time, etc etc is ALL public knowledge and has been written about and discussed.

To think the BIG 12 is going to get paid less than for a contract created over a decade ago, with more markets and much more inventory and a total resetting of the value of rights is incredibly naive. It’s what some people want to sell ahead of media rights negotiations for their advantage only.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

How do I know what specifically? ALL of these things have been written and reported.

The BIG 12s current contracts, the increase the SEC got from CBS to ESPN, Number if games coming from that CBS deal, The Big Tens current contracts, tv ratings and valuations of same resetting of media rights over time, etc etc is ALL public knowledge and has been written about and discussed.

To think the BIG 12 is going to get paid less than for a contract created over a decade ago, with more markets and much more inventory and a total resetting of the value of rights is incredibly naive. It’s what some people want to sell ahead of media rights negotiations for their advantage only.

What is naïve is to think the Big 12 is more valuable with 4 G5 scrubs as opposed to two blue bloods. There are articles that say the big 12 will make more there are ones that say it will make less. Until they sign a contract you won't know.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

If the program is not already in the Big 10 or SEC, it falls into one of 2 categories. First category is a scant few programs that could go if not for other interests (Clemson, ND, UNC). The second category, which includes WVU, are desperately trying to stay relevant enough to hope for an invite if the arms race between the SEC and Big 10 expands.

I suppose it could be good for the Big XII. Big XII could try to poach the PAC-12. Possibly even tempting the PAC's best remaining team like Oregon. Even if Oregon thinks the Big 10 is in their future, they may find being an Independent or staying in a post raid PAC 12 until the Big 10 is on the move again too much of a risk to their program. If successful, the ACC teams left after the SEC and Big 10 pick the best of them in the future will be in the same situation as the current PAC 12 schools. At that time though the Big XII will clearly be the stable third wheel to the Big 10/SEC combo and the next best place to be making it easier to get the best of the ACC's scraps.

 

[Buckaineer]

Ions and four straight What is naïve is to think the Big 12 is more valuable with 4 G5 scrubs as opposed to two blue bloods. There are articles that say the big 12 will make more there are ones that say it will make less. Until they sign a contract you won't know.

The BIG 12 has no scrubs. Of the two departing, Texas has not been one of the better teams in the conference anyway.

Only a fool believes that with the reset in values for rights, the BIG 12s #s are not also set to a higher value. Even if you remove something for the imaginary one or two “blue bloods even though we didn’t accomplish anything” value, the remaining and new schools are in line for significant increases. More markets, more inventory, still top notch competition— the new and existing members defeated I believe 5 of 6 SEC teams in the post season and at least five PAC schools and other power teams just this past regular season. They also have the last two basketball national champs and four straight final four participants Among other accomplishments.

But ratings are ratings and existing BIG 12 schools have been close or better than the non “ blue bloods” in other P5s. If the value of the teams in their conferences that aren’t blue bloods are 450% higher than contracts - some of which were signed AFTER the BIG 12s current contracts , then you can apply significant increases to the to the BIg 12s programs as well.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The BIG 12 has no scrubs. Of the two departing, Texas has not been one of the better teams in the conference anyway.

Only a fool believes that with the reset in values for rights, the BIG 12s #s are not also set to a higher value. Even if you remove something for the imaginary one or two “blue bloods even though we didn’t accomplish anything” value, the remaining and new schools are in line for significant increases. More markets, more inventory, still top notch competition— the new and existing members defeated I believe 5 of 6 SEC teams in the post season and at least five PAC schools and other power teams just this past regular season. They also have the last two basketball national champs and four straight final four participants Among other accomplishments.

But ratings are ratings and existing BIG 12 schools have been close or better than the non “ blue bloods” in other P5s. If the value of the teams in their conferences that aren’t blue bloods are 450% higher than contracts - some of which were signed AFTER the BIG 12s current contracts , then you can apply significant increases to the to the BIg 12s programs as well.

Texas might not have performed well but they were the most valuable asset the big 12 had and only a fool can't comprehend that. The three AAC teams being added are not even close to being the most popular teams in their own market. The big 12 commish has an uphill battle when it comes to new contract talk. The brands he has to offer is much weaker than it was before.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

If the program is not already in the Big 10 or SEC, it falls into one of 2 categories. First category is a scant few programs that could go if not for other interests (Clemson, ND, UNC). The second category, which includes WVU, are desperately trying to stay relevant enough to hope for an invite if the arms race between the SEC and Big 10 expands.

I suppose it could be good for the Big XII. Big XII could try to poach the PAC-12. Possibly even tempting the PAC's best remaining team like Oregon. Even if Oregon thinks the Big 10 is in their future, they may find being an Independent or staying in a post raid PAC 12 until the Big 10 is on the move again too much of a risk to their program. If successful, the ACC teams left after the SEC and Big 10 pick the best of them in the future will be in the same situation as the current PAC 12 schools. At that time though the Big XII will clearly be the stable third wheel to the Big 10/SEC combo and the next best place to be making it easier to get the best of the ACC's scraps.

You are forgetting the other possibilities what if the pac stays together which is most likely to happen and in a year or two decides to try and poach the Big 12. Who is to say that if The Acc gets raided that they might decide to try and poach teams from the big 12 as well.

 

[Buckaineer]

Texas might not have performed well but they were the most valuable asset the big 12 had and only a fool can't comprehend that. The three AAC teams being added are not even close to being the most popular teams in their own market. The big 12 commish has an uphill battle when it comes to new contract talk. The brands he has to offer is much weaker than it was before.

No one anywhere has said new teams are considered “ blue bloods” as the defectors.

They are gone and not coming back and irrelevant. The new and existing schools have significant accomplishments such as excellent tv ratings on their own to back up new deals, and as mentioned reset rights alone predict that the BIg 12 will continue on as a high earner.

pretty hard to argue that say an OK State getting more views than Mississippi in the real world is suddenly worth nothing because of one game per year which they can make up OOC.

it’s obvious you have a vested interest in causing failure within the BIG 12, but everything you spout is meaningless, overstated, or just shilling for shillings sake. The BIg 12 isn’t going from the #3 rated conference year in And out to nothing because of a mediocre Texas or even A good to very good Oklahoma.

 

[Buckaineer]

You are forgetting the other possibilities what if the pac stays together which is most likely to happen and in a year or two decides to try and poach the Big 12. Who is to say that if The Acc gets raided that they might decide to try and poach teams from the big 12 as well.

The PAC 12 has no ability to poach the BIg 12. They have very little likelihood of staying together as Oregon is also actively seeking to get out and their tv numbers have not matched the BIg 12s nor their fanbases.

You are hoping on the least likely development in realignment. As soon as the thirty day ESPN negotiation window is up there may be movement—even the most significant PAC sources have been pushing a merger. PAC 12 days are most likely not long into the future.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

No one anywhere has said new teams are considered “ blue bloods” as the defectors.

They are gone and not coming back and irrelevant. The new and existing schools have significant accomplishments such as excellent tv ratings on their own to back up new deals, and as mentioned reset rights alone predict that the BIg 12 will continue on as a high earner.

pretty hard to argue that say an OK State getting more views than Mississippi in the real world is suddenly worth nothing because of one game per year which they can make up OOC.

it’s obvious you have a vested interest in causing failure within the BIG 12, but everything you spout is meaningless, overstated, or just shilling for shillings sake. The BIg 12 isn’t going from the #3 rated conference year in And out to nothing because of a mediocre Texas or even A good to very good Oklahoma.

Its obvious you haven't a clue. The big 12 has been poached by every power 5 conference except the Acc. It has very little value. Its one raid away from becoming a G5 conference.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The PAC 12 has no ability to poach the BIg 12. They have very little likelihood of staying together as Oregon is also actively seeking to get out and their tv numbers have not matched the BIg 12s nor their fanbases.

You are hoping on the least likely development in realignment. As soon as the thirty day ESPN negotiation window is up there may be movement—even the most significant PAC sources have been pushing a merger. PAC 12 days are most likely not long into the future.

The Pac 12 will be here next year. Oregon is stuck there for the foreseeable future. The big 12 ratings will nose dive once Texas and Oklahoma leave. Bowlesby said Texas and Oklahoma accounted for 50% of the Big 12's value. He is in position to know not your boyfriend Dennis Dodd

 

[Buckaineer]

The BIG 12 has three years remaining on its contracts— UT and OU won’t move until the 2025-2026 season, so there is no rush. This new development between Notre Dame, NBC and the BIG 12 is quite interesting and could change timelines.

Right now the PAC is under an Espn negotiating window (30 days) and Notre Dame is under a 2-3 week review Of their media rights with NBC.

PAc schools can’t depart until July 2024 though and would likely need to move quickly to announce so as not to violate bylaws and to be able to move in a couple of years without penalty.

 

[Buckaineer]

The ACC and PAC 12 are FAR and away more likely to be poached than the BIG 12. PAC schools are actively seeking an exit now and FSU, Clemson and others in the ACC have had confirmed meetings with conferences such as the SEC about leaving. As soon as they can go, some are leaving. Meanwhile the BIG 12 is unified and working on being a third power conference moving forward while others are in a struggle just to exist down the road.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The ACC and PAC 12 are FAR and away more likely to be poached than the BIG 12. PAC schools are actively seeking an exit now and FSU, Clemson and others in the ACC have had confirmed meetings with conferences such as the SEC about leaving. As soon as they can go, some are leaving. Meanwhile the BIG 12 is unified and working on being a third power conference moving forward while others are in a struggle just to exist down the road.

Big 12 was already poached of it's two biggest cookies dumbass.

 

[Buckaineer]

Idiot anti BIG 12 shills pretend the BIG 12 hasn’t been stabilized. But the evidence points to the contrary of their meaningless opinions.

Meanwhile everyone is looking to get out of the ACC asap and those who can in the PAC are.

Have to laugh at idiot Allen who tries to pretend he’s a WVU fan to trick real WVU fans, but is obviously royally upset that the BIg 12 is stabilized while his ACC is in trouble and ended outside of one contract.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Big 12 was already poached of it's two biggest cookies dumbass.

You notice how Buckaineer never posts the articles that shed doubt on any Pac 12 schools wanting to leave for the big 12.He worships Dennis Dodd a guy who's never been right about anything

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

You are forgetting the other possibilities what if the pac stays together which is most likely to happen and in a year or two decides to try and poach the Big 12. Who is to say that if The Acc gets raided that they might decide to try and poach teams from the big 12 as well.

That is always possible. Right now the Big 12 doesn't have any more programs with a high likelihood of being poached. PAC 12 has everyone looking for a spot in the Big 10 or SEC and some programs like Oregon, Cal and Stanford probably have more of a chance of doing so in the future than any Big 12 team. So the Arizona's, ASU's, Colorado's, and Utah's of the PAC 12 may be tempted to gamble on a move to the Big 12 if they see a near future without Oregon, Cal, and/Stanford along with USC and UCLA in the PAC-12. Those aforementioned schools like Oregon may also be tempted in that if they see the PAC-12 losing 4 of its middling programs then they risk being stuck as independents or in a defunct conference for too long waiting for further Big 10 expansion westward.

Big 12 isn't great, but honestly it is the most stable conference outside of the Big 10 or SEC if only because the Big 12 lacks any programs as lucrative to poach as the PAC-12 (Oregon, Cal, Stanford) or the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA). That is why middling teams in the PAC 12 that do not see high hopes of joining the top 2 conferences may see the Big 12 as the most stable of the remaining non power 2 conferences. Even if they just want to use the Big 12 as a stepping stone to one of the bigger conferences later.

 

[30CAT]

FYI: The B12 will not make that much more $/team after the expansion.

That's the problem. Money is now more important than the love of the game. For the love of the game is what made college sports so special.

Now, even college sports are dead. Such a crying shame.

UFC? NASCAR? PGA? About the only sports worth watching anymore. Sure, they make money on top of money, but at least it's up to individual talent, that can't be corrupted by money.

 

[MichiganHerd]

That is always possible. Right now the Big 12 doesn't have any more programs with a high likelihood of being poached. PAC 12 has everyone looking for a spot in the Big 10 or SEC and some programs like Oregon, Cal and Stanford probably have more of a chance of doing so in the future than any Big 12 team. So the Arizona's, ASU's, Colorado's, and Utah's of the PAC 12 may be tempted to gamble on a move to the Big 12 if they see a near future without Oregon, Cal, and/Stanford along with USC and UCLA in the PAC-12. Those aforementioned schools like Oregon may also be tempted in that if they see the PAC-12 losing 4 of its middling programs then they risk being stuck as independents or in a defunct conference for too long waiting for further Big 10 expansion westward.

Big 12 isn't great, but honestly it is the most stable conference outside of the Big 10 or SEC if only because the Big 12 lacks any programs as lucrative to poach as the PAC-12 (Oregon, Cal, Stanford) or the ACC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA). That is why middling teams in the PAC 12 that do not see high hopes of joining the top 2 conferences may see the Big 12 as the most stable of the remaining non power 2 conferences. Even if they just want to use the Big 12 as a stepping stone to one of the bigger conferences later.

I wouldn't rule out Kansas as a potential candidate for poaching. It's a longshot, but it's possible the B1G could be a landing spot if they were to ever look at bringing in some blue bloods for hoops. That wouldn't occur for some time, and likely only if further expansion in other conferences would lock down schools decent in multiple sports, like an Oregon, Clemson NC, UVA, etc.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I wouldn't rule out Kansas as a potential candidate for poaching. It's a longshot, but it's possible the B1G could be a landing spot if they were to ever look at bringing in some blue bloods for hoops. That wouldn't occur for some time, and likely only if further expansion in other conferences would lock down schools decent in multiple sports, like an Oregon, Clemson NC, UVA, etc.

So far no teams have been taken because of basketball only skills. Unless you're thinking UCLA. But they actually make more with football. Kansas would need a mate to B1G. Perhaps like ND.

 

[MichiganHerd]

So far no teams have been taken because of basketball only skills. Unless you're thinking UCLA. But they actually make more with football. Kansas would need a mate to B1G. Perhaps like ND.

That's where WVU comes into play, as Huggins likes playing in Kansas against 8 players on the court. Higgins is team captain.

 

[Buckaineer]

College sports have involved money ever since teams won the right to negotiate their own contracts and media companies started picking their darlings.

It isn’t changing because kids get a chance to earn some money in addition to everyone else.

The amassing of power into just two or three conferences is happening so you have to do what you can to remain relevant. WVU has to get better and quickly and the BIG 12 conference is in progress of working on solidifying the future for all members at the highest levels of competition.

Everyone won’t just give up and or give in to the wishes of a corrupt few.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Everyone won’t just give up and or give in to the wishes of a corrupt few.

No they won't give up and give in but they will eventually fall behind and disappear as they can't compete with the money Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan...

 

[Buckaineer]

No they won't give up and give in but they will eventually fall behind and disappear as they can't compete with the money Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan...

ACC schools have been $15 to $25 million behind schools in the BIg 12, SEC and Big Ten much of the last decade and yet Clemson has been a playoff contender nearly every year and even won the entire thing.

Naive to think that because the B10 and SEC schools will get more revenue possibly ( and probably an overstated amount there) in conference payouts that everyone else will cease to be able to compete.

Texass is the perfect example- made more revenue than every school in college athletics and didn’t do a thing competitively for themselves or the conference during the entire past decades alignment.

 

[WVUALLEN]

ACC schools have been $15 to $25 million behind schools in the BIg 12, SEC and Big Ten much of the last decade and yet Clemson has been a playoff contender nearly every year and even won the entire thing.

Naive to think that because the B10 and SEC schools will get more revenue possibly ( and probably an overstated amount there) in conference payouts that everyone else will cease to be able to compete.

Texass is the perfect example- made more revenue than every school in college athletics and didn’t do a thing competitively for themselves or the conference during the entire past decades alignment.

This is not about winning freaking championships. Open your eyes. This time around is not about wins and losses. This time around is about picking off the top teams from the little 3. Texas and OU went first. Then USC, UCLA. Next up FSU and Clemson then UNC and UVA. Notre Dame will chill on the sidelines but remain with the P2 conferences of SEC and B1G. There is going to be a break away from NCAA. OPEN YOUR EYES.