Frank Beamer retiring
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And so it begins. BLP and The Dude have scheduled an 8:00 PM chat. Be There!
Lots of quality openings this season. Miami, SC, VT, Minnesota, Illinois, USC, Maryland, and others (Rutgers possibly, UCF)). There will be competition for top coaching candidates. If we fire Dana, Lyons better know damn well who's next in line and pull the trigger. Good candidates will have lots of leverage on AD's this season, I don't want to see us get played.
UVA gonna be opening up also. A lot of competition in the mid atlantic. Maybe even Tennessee if they have a terrible finish to the season.
Yep. And it's not a matter of whether WVU is as good of a job as the others. There's gonna be great competition for talent and the candidates will have that to their advantage. Lyon's top 2 choices might be gone before he even fires Dana. I don't mind Dana being fired, but not for our AD's 4th or 5th choice of replacement.
IMO, work to get RR back right now or keep Dana for another season.
The agent's for top candidates phones will be exploding and they'll have a field day playing schools for bigger contracts. I don't want to over-pay either. If that's the case, just wait.
The strategy here is make the announcement following a win. This way it makes it look like Beamer is not being ousted when he very well likely is.
Last year VT gave him an extension that ran through Jan 2019. Whoops.
This year the continued ho hum mediocrity against ho hum competition led to this.
If change is to come at WVU, this is yet another school to compete against in the coach market.
Last year VT gave him an extension that ran through Jan 2019. Whoops.
This year the continued ho hum mediocrity against ho hum competition led to this.
If change is to come at WVU, this is yet another school to compete against in the coach market.
With the highly-unusual number of attractive job openings, I'm becoming more and more convinced that fact alone dictates Holgorsen will be retained for another season.
At this point maybe the only way the situation changes is if we finish 0-5/1-4 or if Georgia decides to oust Richt and Lyons can get him as a replacement here.
Otherwise I might question the prudence of Lyons if he dives into this deep of a seller's market.
At this point maybe the only way the situation changes is if we finish 0-5/1-4 or if Georgia decides to oust Richt and Lyons can get him as a replacement here.
Otherwise I might question the prudence of Lyons if he dives into this deep of a seller's market.
Just like General Managers in the pros, I'm sure every AD has a "list" of coaches they are either in contact with or have a relationship with. Hopefully Lyons trip to Arizona was a bit more than just speaking with a donor and fundraising. Hopefully there was some communication between he and Rich Rod.
To be honest though, I think it's a pipe dream. Rich Rod won't be on the sidelines for WVU again. That's what my gut tells me. We will go the route of of the following:
1. Some "up-and-coming" coach that is just like Dana
2. A recycled coach who has been fired from another place
Either scenario is not good, and if that's the case, I'd rather have Dana. YIKES!
To be honest though, I think it's a pipe dream. Rich Rod won't be on the sidelines for WVU again. That's what my gut tells me. We will go the route of of the following:
1. Some "up-and-coming" coach that is just like Dana
2. A recycled coach who has been fired from another place
Either scenario is not good, and if that's the case, I'd rather have Dana. YIKES!
Richt is still relatively young, but watching that game yesterday he looks like he's closer to retiring and playing golf than coming north and trying to turn around this program.
I doubt he has the energy to jump into a situation like this.
If I'm Shane Lyons, I don't want my first major decision as AD to be hiring some guy who was just canned. He'll have to hire someone with the a reputation as a coach on the rise.
I'm not necessarily advocating, just thinking through the situation. Certainly Lyons has a list already. However, when the number of buyers is suddenly double the normal number then your hot candidates also get a lot more expensive. At some point financially you might have to expand the pool beyond your top choices on the list.
Whether a guy just got fired is of no consequence, although the reason might be. Belichick and Carroll got fired once upon a time.
As a guy who was in the SEC, maybe Lyons already has a line of communication with Richt. Perhaps a fair portion of the apparent malaise Numbers thinks he sees in Richt is him growing weary of a fanbase and situation that seems increasingly unappreciative of what he's accomplished at Georgia. I don't know, but such things do happen. The bar would be much lower here than at Georgia or Miami.
Again, this is not me arguing what should or will happen if a change is made. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat foreseeable and understandable how such a thing could occur.
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I hear that but personally I'd rather have a proven winner as much as possible. There's no substitute for experience.
On the rise means they have potential. A good season or two in the AAC or MAC may or may not translate to many good years in the BXII. Tim Beckman, for example, spring boarded from Toledo to Illinois. He went 12-25 & was fired after three seasons. Dave Doeren delivered a couple standout years at Northern Illinois, then was promoted to NC State and has gone 16-17. Al Golden is another example.
Dana was thought to be on the rise. Yep, at the time I thought it sounded like a good hire too, but in actuality it was a gamble that only temporarily worked.
On the rise means they have potential. A good season or two in the AAC or MAC may or may not translate to many good years in the BXII. Tim Beckman, for example, spring boarded from Toledo to Illinois. He went 12-25 & was fired after three seasons. Dave Doeren delivered a couple standout years at Northern Illinois, then was promoted to NC State and has gone 16-17. Al Golden is another example.
Dana was thought to be on the rise. Yep, at the time I thought it sounded like a good hire too, but in actuality it was a gamble that only temporarily worked.
Firing a coach and then hiring a coach who was just fired doesn't make much sense to me. I wouldn't want to sell that, especially as my first major decision as an Athletic Director.
If you can't get the candidate you want, just wait until the situation is more more advantageous. Don't just cave and hire a guy who was just given his walking papers.
Good points on Belichick and Carroll. Of course Rodriguez was fired and has since built up Arizona. He seems to be a candidate for virtually every vacancy and at some places that don't even have openings.
On the hoops side, Calipari was fired by the Nets. Now every off-season he's pursued and offered by NBA teams.
Those arguments go both ways. If we followed the logic in your post we would have ended up with Terry Bowden instead of RR after Nehlen.
I understand that POV, Darth. What rarely gets pointed out is that 2 of our last 3 hires were from the "hot up-and-coming coordinator" pool--one of whom worked out very well. I think that's what you mean by "who you want."
However, it's also equally possible a change could be forced on Lyons from above and he might have to sell it regardless. You also seem to be discounting the possibility that someone like Richt IS who Lyons wants for the job. Maybe he just doesn't want to go the hot coordinator route.
However, it's also equally possible a change could be forced on Lyons from above and he might have to sell it regardless. You also seem to be discounting the possibility that someone like Richt IS who Lyons wants for the job. Maybe he just doesn't want to go the hot coordinator route.
Besides for the fact they may know each other, why is Richt such an attractive candidate? Doesn't seem like a good fit for a B12 coach and it seems like he's on the hot seat each season.
Are Lyons and him buddies or something? What am I missing?
sure Rodriguez worked out & I loved that era. as I said it may or may not work.
hiring coordinators who have not yet been head coaches is a gamble. some work some don't. our most recent one hasn't.
hirings often go the opposite direction from what you last had.
offense fell stagnant under Stew & Mullen, so a hot named coordinator who called plays for top scoring teams was brought in.
FL Gators departed from the lackluster offense under Muschamp in favor of the offensive-minded McElwain.
don't think VT - the topic of this thread - won't want to reignite their offense. that'll play a role in their hiring. Beamer wants the job to go to Shane or Bud Foster, but I get the feeling they'll depart completely from Beamerball. USC tried to bring back the Pete Carroll era by hiring two of his assistants & both flopped.
hiring coordinators who have not yet been head coaches is a gamble. some work some don't. our most recent one hasn't.
hirings often go the opposite direction from what you last had.
offense fell stagnant under Stew & Mullen, so a hot named coordinator who called plays for top scoring teams was brought in.
FL Gators departed from the lackluster offense under Muschamp in favor of the offensive-minded McElwain.
don't think VT - the topic of this thread - won't want to reignite their offense. that'll play a role in their hiring. Beamer wants the job to go to Shane or Bud Foster, but I get the feeling they'll depart completely from Beamerball. USC tried to bring back the Pete Carroll era by hiring two of his assistants & both flopped.
well we did discuss Beckman, Doeren & Golden above. but maybe the newer versions - Campbell, Rhule, Herman, Fuente, etc - would be different. they very well could be.
Nehlen of course coming from BG & a QB coach at Michigan, that worked out pretty good. some will argue & say he accomplished nothing though & stayed too long.
it'll be hard for WVU to get a sure-fire, no brainer type hire. Huggins was a rare instance. he delivered what we knew he would and had already.
the good part of this is people seem willing to change & are not satisfied with the results of the last four years. hopefully those people include Gee & Lyons too.
Nehlen of course coming from BG & a QB coach at Michigan, that worked out pretty good. some will argue & say he accomplished nothing though & stayed too long.
it'll be hard for WVU to get a sure-fire, no brainer type hire. Huggins was a rare instance. he delivered what we knew he would and had already.
the good part of this is people seem willing to change & are not satisfied with the results of the last four years. hopefully those people include Gee & Lyons too.
RR was mostly a no-brained. You're right, no one jumps out as the guy.
If we ever went after a guy who might be fired I'd like Helfrich at Oregon. I'd love a taste of that system.
Yeah......................Dana was on the rise the moment he signed that contract with WV for the megabucks! Before WV and the HC job he worked for journeyman type wages as an understudy. Yes..............that's the way it works.......temporarily. By the way................Dana has potential. He remains an offensive genius!
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Georgia is a state with a ton of quality recruits year in and year out. Richt get's the cream of the crop and constantly underachieves with them. The state of WV has 2-5 quality recruits a year.
If Richt can't get it done at Georgia with that level of talent plus the amount of money they have to burn, he's sure as Hell isn't going to be able to get it done here.
Personally, if there is going to be a change, I'd try to swipe the coach at Duke. He's done a huge turn around with a football program that was a national joke. Plus, he's had success in a P-5 league. Football is always going to play second fiddle at Duke, in both support and facilities.
Make him a solid offer to come to a school where football is on an equal footing with the basketball program.
If Richt can't get it done at Georgia with that level of talent plus the amount of money they have to burn, he's sure as Hell isn't going to be able to get it done here.
Personally, if there is going to be a change, I'd try to swipe the coach at Duke. He's done a huge turn around with a football program that was a national joke. Plus, he's had success in a P-5 league. Football is always going to play second fiddle at Duke, in both support and facilities.
Make him a solid offer to come to a school where football is on an equal footing with the basketball program.
Let me put it to you this way, Darth:
If a man who spent the last 15 years compiling a .734 career winning percentage while coaching in the nation's toughest conference suddenly became available, and our AD was currently employing a coach who had struggled to a .534 record in 2 weaker leagues, do you mean to say you have no idea why an AD might be interested in that candidate?
If Richt isn't your preference, I get that. He probably isn't mine, either.
However, to suggest you don't understand how an AD could find a guy with his resume an attractive hire is just plain silly.
