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For years we have heard the right say Obama sold us out......

Heyyyyyyy, finally someone pulled something from one of the apps I have on my phone instead posting FNC links and claiming I should take it as gospel.

Sorry. I was going to look for a video recap earlier but got sucked into doing actual work.
 
Imo, that’s exactly the fvcking point. That’s American leadership? Letting your IC and FBI assert something, then acting like a chickenshit politician about it in public? “He never said they didn’t”.....JFC....maybe our CinC could let us know wtf on as issue as serious as this? No? Oh that’s right, it’s not serious to you.....everyone does it, so it’s no big deal, right?
Here is what he’s said repeatedly:

1. “The IC says they did it. Russia says they didn’t”. Both factual statements, neither is a statement of concurrence or acceptance of either narrative. Just reiterating what each’s position is.

Trump has said repeatedly he isn’t going to openly forecast his plans of action.

Your specific narrative only works if we’re not actually retaliating. Obama’s NSC Tech nerd says we are doing much more under Trump than we did under Obama. That’s a fact.
 
Here is what he’s said repeatedly:

1. “The IC says they did it. Russia says they didn’t”. Both factual statements, neither is a statement of concurrence or acceptance of either narrative. Just reiterating what each’s position is.

Trump has said repeatedly he isn’t going to openly forecast his plans of action.

Your specific narrative only works if we’re not actually retaliating. Obama’s NSC Tech nerd says we are doing much more under Trump than we did under Obama. That’s a fact.

Trump said he didn't see any reason that it would be Russia. He said it. Spin away.
 
Here is what he’s said repeatedly:

1. “The IC says they did it. Russia says they didn’t”. Both factual statements, neither is a statement of concurrence or acceptance of either narrative. Just reiterating what each’s position is.

Trump has said repeatedly he isn’t going to openly forecast his plans of action.

Your specific narrative only works if we’re not actually retaliating. Obama’s NSC Tech nerd says we are doing much more under Trump than we did under Obama. That’s a fact.
Keep licking Trump nuts...... “both factual statements”..... you sound like a fvcking groupie
 
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Keep licking Trump nuts...... “both factual statements”..... you sound like a fvcking groupie

Also how did I miss this gem...

Mueller investigation, U.S. intelligence agencies, two congressional committees that investigated the issue, Trump’s own defense secretary, director of national intelligence and national security adviser, and private cybersecurity experts have all concluded that Russia meddled in the election. This is one “narrative”.

Putin says “wasn’t me”. This is also an equal and possibly true “narrative”
 
Sorry. I was going to look for a video recap earlier but got sucked into doing actual work.
Look, I’m not happy at all with the way he’s playing this in the media. However, actions (like those I posted about last week) are in the end what matters. I’m not discounting the negative side of what his media game is going to have. It’s ridiculous and I wish he’d knock that shit off.
 
Also how did I miss this gem...

Mueller investigation, U.S. intelligence agencies, two congressional committees that investigated the issue, Trump’s own defense secretary, director of national intelligence and national security adviser, and private cybersecurity experts have all concluded that Russia meddled in the election. This is one “narrative”.

Putin says “wasn’t me”. This is also an equal and possibly true “narrative”
Didn’t say Putin’s narrative was true. Neither did Trump.
 
But he didn’t say the opposite was true which is the whole problem here
Trump was nice to Putin in the press at the same time we decimated his brigade. Russians families were asking how as Putin had to tell them “classified”. I’ll take actions over words anyday.
 
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Trump was nice to Putin in the press at the same time we decimated his brigade. Russians families were asking how as Putin had to tell them “classified”. I’ll take actions over words anyday.

Let’s just pretend that this is the case for just one moment.

Perception is reality and the perception ain’t that great right now.
 
Speaking of sleeping, this thread has taken a serious and rapid turn down snoozer alley.

Don’t you worry. As soon as twitbot82 gets finished with his virus scan he will be flooding the thread with tweets that will be more palatable to you.
 
I'd like to know how the Russians changed the results of the election despite all of the evidence suggesting they tried.

I'd also like to know that since we were warned ahead of time of their attempts to try and disrupt our election why we didn't take stronger measures to stop them and that lays at the door of the previous administration not Trump.

Trump was accused of colluding with the Russians to steal the election and I am still waiting for that evidence.

Those indeed are interesting issues you raise, but not responsive to my questions.
 
You all are inferring more than what is there. He didn’t say and has never said they didn’t do it. Read his statements very carefully.

Why has Trump taken this position? That's what i'm asking. Not being sarcastic, if there is some information he has that is leading him to not accept our intelligence agencies' findings that Russia cyber-attacked the United States (and he did dodge that question at the press conference and said he would have to check things out), he should share that with the American people. Otherwise he has opened himself up for a lot of questions from even his own party and supporters.

On the other hand, after that press conference, our country is a little more united than before the press conference.
 
Those indeed are interesting issues you raise, but not responsive to my questions.

I don't think there is a question as to what the Russians attempted or in some cases in fact accomplished in their efforts to interfere with our electoral process. The issue is were they successful and if so to what extent and in the broader context where they working directly with Trump in order to change the outcome of the election?

As I posted I haven't seen the evidence of the collusion and by our own intelligence community's assessments they were unsuccessful in whatever they were up to and the election results turned out as they did because of the way voters voted not anyting the Russians tried to alter.
 
Didn’t say Putin’s narrative was true. Neither did Trump.

The Left has to convince itself that Trump's election was fraudulent. Either by Russians helping him steal it or by the American voters somehow being tricked into thinking that Trump was a better choice than Hillary. To them he is simply illegitimate.

For them to contemplate the very real fact that Hillary was defeated due to her own incompetence is too much for them to pallet given their maniacal opposition to Trump who to them doesn't even deserve to be alive much less so President.
 
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Anybody ever wonder why trump seems absolutely incapable of understanding the distinction between collusion with the trump campaign vs Russian election interference?

It’s always the Russians didn’t meddle AND there was also no collusion. As if the former being true automatically makes the latter true.

I’m not a psychologist but that seems...weird.
 
Anybody ever wonder why trump seems absolutely incapable of understanding the distinction between collusion with the trump campaign vs Russian election interference?

It’s always the Russians didn’t meddle AND there was also no collusion. As if the former being true automatically makes the latter true.

I’m not a psychologist but that seems...weird.

What I'm reading and seeing (including on here) is the narrative switching to "Russia didn't change the outcome of the election".....it's almost like these people, including Trump, are fine with any interference in the election process as long as it doesn't "change" the outcome......[eyeroll]
 
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Think about what the reaction was by the right-wingers when this happened....
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and compare it to their reaction when this happened......
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So Trump's illegitimate... he's a traitor... he should be impeached because he didn't kick Putin's ass for "interfering" in our election. This is essentially the new narrative now on the Left...forget about "collusion"...they (Russians) interfered, Trump did nothing about it, therefore he's a traitor and won fraudulently.

Soooo....the American people will get two chances within the next two years to either legitimize their 2016 vote for Trump or correct it and throw him out of office if the Left's 'new narrative' is correct. Starting with the mid-term elections to replace the Congress. Trump's a creep and illegitimate...American voters will replace his majorities in Congress with a giant "Blue Wave" of Progressive Social Democrat Socialists who will surely set the country straight let me tell 'ya!

That doesn't work, when Trump runs his suicide mission for re-election in 2020, American voters by then certainly will have had enough of this fraudulent self centered egomanical leader and pick another enlightened Female to lead us... someone pure, honest, and decent like Maxine Waters, or Elizabeth Warren, or Nancy Pelosi, or Kamala Harris, or the new Socialist on the block Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to show us the way from the Trump misery and dismal domestic economic and foreign policy leadership disaster that represents his current Presidency!

Trust the voters, they'll get it right and they won't need any help this time from Putin or his cheating Russians to get rid of this American Capitalist traitor who never should have been elected in the first place. After all, Hillary won the popular vote and would have won it all were it not for that KGB, Horseback riding, shirtless, sawed-off midget Bolshevik parading around like he owns that Orange colored carnival barker! Can't wait till the smarter and good folks on the Left unite and set up their long awaited Socialist utopia that will save us all from this nightmare we're forced to look at everyday called Donald J Trump. Ugh....[sick]

(If you're on the Left, this is how you can sleep tonight and wake up with some hope for tomorrow)
 
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