Fix YOUR team, not the college playoff system

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

As usual, I prefer to let the numbers do the talking (they’re not irrational and biased like fans from every school):

2015

Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State




2016

Clemson, Alabama, Michigan State, Oklahoma




2017

Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Ohio State




2018

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama




2019

Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Notre Dame




2020

LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma




2021

Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame




Alabama has been in the playoffs 5 of the 6 years because they belong.

Clemson has been in 5 of the 6 years for the same reason.

Oklahoma has been in 4 years.

Ohio State has been in 4 of 6 years.

Notre Dame has been in twice.

LSU has been in once (2020).

Georgia has been in once.

Washington has been in once.

Florida State has been in once.

Michigan State has been in once.




That’s 10 teams taking up ALL 24 spots.




No WVU. No Southern Cal. No Auburn. No Michigan.

Might as well let those 10 teams form the National Playoff Conference and have a 9-game schedule to determine the national title after they play 3 non-conference games to whip the pretenders.

No system will knock those teams out or let other teams in unless you water it down so that rinky-dink teams can get in, like a participation trophy.

The problem is not the playoff system. The problem is that 10 teams have kept out 300 other teams because they are better. Should we require Alabama to only play its 2nd team to give everyone else a chance?

You're looking at the wrong "fixes." Fix the quality of the other programs if you want them to make the national playoffs, including WVU, which got its shot in 1988 and 1993 under Nehlen and should have had a shot under Rich but he blew the Pitt game with an injured Pat White who couldn't even complete a pass into the end zone while in the red zone that would have pulled the game out at the end. 9-13 is our 9/11 in football!

 

[Rootmaster]

What a rambling piece of "look at what I googled"crap cfe. Go back to bed...or...count your fingers and toes and let the numbers tell you how many you have. They don't lie.

 

[Rootmaster]

Lets see you posted this exact posting on a competitive forum at 906 pm and hurried to this forum to post your cut paste and copy special word for word at 909 pm. You are pathetic.

 

[Vernon]

Lets see you posted this exact posting on a competitive forum at 906 pm and hurried to this forum to post your cut paste and copy special word for word at 909 pm. You are pathetic.

Stop with the personal BS, this is the last time I'm going to remind you.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

If only we could just discuss my beloved alma mater's sports without personal attacks. I love WVU.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Since 1995 – 26 years -- these are the schools that have won national titles or been in the playoffs:

In 26 years EIGHT teams THIRTY EIGHT times were either national champs or in the playoffs.

The rest of the 130 teams COMBINED were in those categories FOURTEEN times!

So we can narrow the National Playoff Conference to 8 teams. Or 9 if you want to put in Nebraska, which made the category 2 times.

Everyone else was 1 time or zero times.

8 – Ohio State
6 – Oklahoma Clemson
4 – Florida State Southern Cal LSU
3 – Florida Notre Dame
2 – Nebraska
1 – Michigan Tennessee Texas Missouri Utah Auburn TCU Oklahoma State Oregon Michigan State Washington Georgia

Everyone else gets a participation certificate even though they have dreams of a national title ... till the season opens.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs in the NFL. Ten wildcard teams have made it to the Super Bowl and 6 of them have won it. Surely the NCAA can allow 8 teams out of 48 to be in the playoffs. Otherwise you are simply bowing to the bluebloods every year.

 

[WVUALLEN]

12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs in the NFL. Ten wildcard teams have made it to the Super Bowl and 6 of them have won it. Surely the NCAA can allow 8 teams out of 48 to be in the playoffs. Otherwise you are simply bowing to the bluebloods every year.

8 teams out of 65 P5 schools but they only want 4 in the playoffs for fear the SEC or Big 10 doesn't win it. That's only 0.12% of the P5 Schools. With 4 it's 0.06%. You can see how much more difficult it is for the G5 schools.

If they don't want 8 at least go to 5 or 6. With 5 you can have a play in game (wild card) With 6 all 5 P5 conference champions get in and one at large.

The NFL also doesn't rank their teams every week and have a committee talk it over. They seed their teams by best to worst with tie breakers to see who gets in.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

8 teams out of 65 P5 schools but they only want 4 in the playoffs for fear the SEC or Big 10 doesn't win it. That's only 0.12% of the P5 Schools. With 4 it's 0.06%. You can see how much more difficult it is for the G5 schools.

If they don't want 8 at least go to 5 or 6. With 5 you can have a play in game (wild card) With 6 all 5 P5 conference champions get in and one at large.

The NFL also doesn't rank their teams every week and have a committee talk it over. They seed their teams by best to worst with tie breakers to see who gets in.

Thanks for correcting my numbers, Allen. I knew better than that. Since all P5 and G5 schools are eligible, why not include all 10 conference champs? I guess 2 teams would have to have a bye, but there has to be an unbiased way to decide which 2, right? At the very least you would have Notre Dame, BYU, and Army knocking on conference commissioners' doors asking, "May we come in?"

 

[WVUALLEN]

Thanks for correcting my numbers, Allen. I knew better than that. Since all P5 and G5 schools are eligible, why not include all 10 conference champs? I guess 2 teams would have to have a bye, but there has to be an unbiased way to decide which 2, right? At the very least you would have Notre Dame, BYU, and Army knocking on conference commissioners' doors asking, "May we come in?"

Exactly.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Again, no matter how you structure the playoffs, 8 to 10 schools will be there year after year. It's the talent that gets teams into the playoffs, not how the playoffs are structured. Alabama will always be a frontrunner. Well, till Saban retires. Look what happened after Bear Bryant ended his run, till Saban came along to make Alabama Alabama again. I'll just enjoy each WVU football game I watch, from Section 105 of Mountaineer Field or on my TV in Tallmadge, Ohio.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Find something else to get unduly alarmed about.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Anyone want to accept this challenge?

I will take Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida State, Southern Cal, LSU, Florida, Notre Dame and Nebraska, the Nine Gods of College Football, and give you the other 121 Division 1 teams, including 12 who have won national titles or been in the playoffs once in the past 26 years.

You pay me $1,000 for every team on my list that makes the 2021 4-team playoffs. I’ll pay you $1,000 for every team NOT on my list that makes the 2021 4-team playoffs. We’ll have WVU legal department draw up an ironclad contract and each write out a non-refundable or blockable check for $4,000. When the 4 playoff teams are announced, the $4,000 will be distributed to me or you at $1,000 for each team on my list or $1,000 for each team NOT on my list and the other $4,000 will go to the Mountaineer Athletic Club.

Anyone up for that deal? Or does no one want to put their money where their mouth is?

Rootmaster, you up for this? Or are you all talk and no chalk?

 

[Pitt4Life34]

As usual, I prefer to let the numbers do the talking (they’re not irrational and biased like fans from every school):

2015

Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State




2016

Clemson, Alabama, Michigan State, Oklahoma




2017

Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Ohio State




2018

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama




2019

Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Notre Dame




2020

LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma




2021

Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame




Alabama has been in the playoffs 5 of the 6 years because they belong.

Clemson has been in 5 of the 6 years for the same reason.

Oklahoma has been in 4 years.

Ohio State has been in 4 of 6 years.

Notre Dame has been in twice.

LSU has been in once (2020).

Georgia has been in once.

Washington has been in once.

Florida State has been in once.

Michigan State has been in once.




That’s 10 teams taking up ALL 24 spots.




No WVU. No Southern Cal. No Auburn. No Michigan.

Might as well let those 10 teams form the National Playoff Conference and have a 9-game schedule to determine the national title after they play 3 non-conference games to whip the pretenders.

No system will knock those teams out or let other teams in unless you water it down so that rinky-dink teams can get in, like a participation trophy.

The problem is not the playoff system. The problem is that 10 teams have kept out 300 other teams because they are better. Should we require Alabama to only play its 2nd team to give everyone else a chance?

You're looking at the wrong "fixes." Fix the quality of the other programs if you want them to make the national playoffs, including WVU, which got its shot in 1988 and 1993 under Nehlen and should have had a shot under Rich but he blew the Pitt game with an injured Pat White who couldn't even complete a pass into the end zone while in the red zone that would have pulled the game out at the end. 9-13 is our 9/11 in football!

I‘m into numbers as well. How many different Big12 teams have made the playoffs.......1.
How many playoff wins does the the Big12 have.......0. What‘s your point? Oh it’s that the same teams end up in playoffs and Bama, Clemson and Ohio St are by far the 3 best teams since playoff era started.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Anyone want to accept this challenge?

I will take Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida State, Southern Cal, LSU, Florida, Notre Dame and Nebraska, the Nine Gods of College Football, and give you the other 121 Division 1 teams, including 12 who have won national titles or been in the playoffs once in the past 26 years.

You pay me $1,000 for every team on my list that makes the 2021 4-team playoffs. I’ll pay you $1,000 for every team NOT on my list that makes the 2021 4-team playoffs. We’ll have WVU legal department draw up an ironclad contract and each write out a non-refundable or blockable check for $4,000. When the 4 playoff teams are announced, the $4,000 will be distributed to me or you at $1,000 for each team on my list or $1,000 for each team NOT on my list and the other $4,000 will go to the Mountaineer Athletic Club.

Anyone up for that deal? Or does no one want to put their money where their mouth is?

Rootmaster, you up for this? Or are you all talk and no chalk?

You still haven’t acknowledge the ass whipping I put on you in the NCAAs 😂. My victory lap was glorious. Everyone on this site watched me humiliate your lack of basketball knowledge for two week. Not quite sure I fully understand your mental challenges but it appears you are missing Bama, UGA, Texas A&M and Oregon. I’ll do it! Sounds like fun! Only change is I’ll decide where my money goes. No one will ever tell me where my money goes. Your deal doesn’t even makes sense. So I bet you $4,000 so I can possibly get $4,000 back. Best case senecio is one of us wins $0. WVU gets $4000 no matter what. Are you really that stupid? How bout the bet you suggest minus the WVU getting 4,000. I’ll even let you pick the attorney to write it up? Of course I’ll have my attorney check to make sure you’re on the hook if you lose. It will be fun. Let’s do it.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

You still haven’t acknowledge the ass whipping I put on you in the NCAAs 😂. My victory lap was glorious. Everyone on this site watched me humiliate your lack of basketball knowledge for two week. Not quite sure I fully understand your mental challenges but it appears you are missing Bama, UGA, Texas A&M and Oregon. I’ll do it! Sounds like fun! Only change is I’ll decide where my money goes. No one will ever tell me where my money goes. Your deal doesn’t even makes sense. So I bet you $4,000 so I can possibly get $4,000 back. Best case senecio is one of us wins $0. WVU gets $4000 no matter what. Are you really that stupid? How bout the bet you suggest minus the WVU getting 4,000. I’ll even let you pick the attorney to write it up? Of course I’ll have my attorney check to make sure you’re on the hook if you lose. It will be fun. Let’s do it.

IT'S ON. EXCEPT THAT MAC GETS $2,000 AND YOUR SCHOOL GETS $2,000. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WINNING THE MONEY ONLY IN PROVING MY POINT.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

IT'S ON. EXCEPT THAT MAC GETS $2,000 AND YOUR SCHOOL GETS $2,000. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WINNING THE MONEY ONLY IN PROVING MY POINT.

IT'S ON. EXCEPT THAT MAC GETS $2,000 AND YOUR SCHOOL GETS $2,000. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WINNING THE MONEY ONLY IN PROVING MY POINT.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Still waiting for a response. All talk and no chalk? $2,000 is petty cash to me anyway.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Again, no matter how you structure the playoffs, 8 to 10 schools will be there year after year. It's the talent that gets teams into the playoffs, not how the playoffs are structured. Alabama will always be a frontrunner. Well, till Saban retires. Look what happened after Bear Bryant ended his run, till Saban came along to make Alabama Alabama again. I'll just enjoy each WVU football game I watch, from Section 105 of Mountaineer Field or on my TV in Tallmadge, Ohio.

Of course 8 will be there every year because 8 are in playoffs.

Alabama after Bryant..
1983-1986 Ray Perkins 32-15-1

1987-1989 Bill Curry 26-10-0

1990-1996 Gene Stallings 62-25-0 (1 NC 1992) (Gene Stallings and the coaches after him brought NCAA infractions on Alabama. In August 1995, the NCAA ruled that Alabama must forfeit eight victories and one tie that Antonio Langham participated in as he was declared ineligible for previously signing with a sports agent in violation of NCAA rules. Thus the official NCAA record for 1993 is 1–12)

1997-2000 Mike Dubose 24-23 (this was beginning of downfall)

2001-2002 Dennis Franchione 17-8

2003 Mike Price (Price was hired in December 2002 and fired in May 2003 without coaching an official game. Price was at Alabama during the 2003 spring but in May his contract was rescinded shortly after news reports surfaced of Price being seen at a strip club during a trip to Pensacola, Fla. where Price was playing in a golf tournament and he also had about $1,000 charged to his hotel room by an unknown woman staying in the room. This development came on the heels of an earlier reprimand for visiting campus-area bars and drinking into the early hours in Tuscaloosa)

2003-2006 Mike Shula 10-23 (NCAA ruled that Alabama must vacate 16 victories due to sanctions stemming from textbook-related infractions discovered during the 2007 season for the 2005 and 2006 seasons. As the penalty to vacate victories does not result in a loss (or forfeiture) of the affected contests or award a victory to the opponent, the official NCAA record for these years are 0–2 and 0–6 )

Joe Kines (was named interim head coach for the 2006 Independence Bowl losing 34-31 to Oklahoma State)

2007-present Nick Saban 165-23 (96-15) (6 NC / Saban's record at the conclusion of 2007 was 7-6 with 4-4 in SEC. In March 2009, the NCAA ruled that Alabama must vacate five victories due to sanctions stemming from textbook-related infractions discovered during the 2007 season. As the penalty to vacate victories does not result in a loss (or forfeiture) of the affected contests or award a victory to the opponent, the official NCAA record for 2007 is 2–6)

1997-2003 was the down depressing period for Alabama. It wasn't 20 or 30 or 40 years like many claim.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Still waiting for a response. All talk and no chalk? $2,000 is petty cash to me anyway.

Watching the Penguins Playoff game goofball. You come off as a yappy little chiwawa. All bark no bite. You chirped about a $4,000 bet. I’m in. Dude I give significantly to Pitt. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a years wage for you. Stop playing games and have an attorney write up the $4,000 bet with the 9 teams you listed or crawl back under your troll rock.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

You’re like a herpes sore @Cuyahoga Falls Eers. Timing is horrible. I make one post to you and the freaken Islanders score in OT as I hit send.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

You’re like a herpes sore @Cuyahoga Falls Eers. Timing is horrible. I make one post to you and the freaken Islanders score in OT as I hit send.

SORRY I JINXED YOU WATCHING OF WHATEVER SPORT THE ISLANDERS PLAY.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

SORRY I JINXED YOU WATCHING OF WHATEVER SPORT THE ISLANDERS PLAY.

Doesn‘t surprise me you don’t know who the Penguins or the Islanders are, where they are from or what sport they play. Just another reason why we all laugh at you troll. You haven’t congratulated me yet on my heater I went on predicting the NCAAs. I humiliated you pal. Even for a 90 yr old ya had to be impressed right? Let me know if you want to move forward with that $4,000 bet pal. If it was just a troll don’t send that stuff my way. I threw $9500 around on Preakness day. Had two big early hits so I was playing with house money. Ended up $2,750 for the day.