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Finally some clarity on global warming

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[Editor's Note: Patrick Moore, Ph.D., has been a leader in international environmentalism for more than 40 years. He cofounded Greenpeace and currently serves as chair of Allow Golden Rice. Moore received the 2014 Speaks Truth to Power Award at the Ninth International Conference on Climate Change, July 8, in Las Vegas. Watch his presentation about this piece at the video player to the left.]

I am skeptical humans are the main cause of climate change and that it will be catastrophic in the near future. There is no scientific proof of this hypothesis, yet we are told "the debate is over" and "the science is settled."

My skepticism begins with the believers' certainty they can predict the global climate with a computer model. The entire basis for the doomsday climate change scenario is the hypothesis increased atmospheric carbon dioxide due to fossil fuel emissions will heat the Earth to unlivable temperatures.

In fact, the Earth has been warming very gradually for 300 years, since the Little Ice Age ended, long before heavy use of fossil fuels. Prior to the Little Ice Age, during the Medieval Warm Period, Vikings colonized Greenland and Newfoundland, when it was warmer there than today. And during Roman times, it was warmer, long before fossil fuels revolutionized civilization.

The idea it would be catastrophic if carbon dioxide were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous.

Recently, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) announced for the umpteenth time we are doomed unless we reduce carbon-dioxide emissions to zero. Effectively this means either reducing the population to zero, or going back 10,000 years before humans began clearing forests for agriculture. This proposed cure is far worse than adapting to a warmer world, if it actually comes about.

IPCC Conflict of Interest

By its constitution, the IPCC has a hopeless conflict of interest. Its mandate is to consider only the human causes of global warming, not the many natural causes changing the climate for billions of years. We don't understand the natural causes of climate change any more than we know if humans are part of the cause at present. If the IPCC did not find humans were the cause of warming, or if it found warming would be more positive than negative, there would be no need for the IPCC under its present mandate. To survive, it must find on the side of the apocalypse.

The IPCC should either have its mandate expanded to include all causes of climate change, or it should be dismantled.

Political Powerhouse

Climate change has become a powerful political force for many reasons. First, it is universal; we are told everything on Earth is threatened. Second, it invokes the two most powerful human motivators: fear and guilt. We fear driving our car will kill our grandchildren, and we feel guilty for doing it.

Third, there is a powerful convergence of interests among key elites that support the climate "narrative." Environmentalists spread fear and raise donations; politicians appear to be saving the Earth from doom; the media has a field day with sensation and conflict; science institutions raise billions in grants, create whole new departments, and stoke a feeding frenzy of scary scenarios; business wants to look green, and get huge public subsidies for projects that would otherwise be economic losers, such as wind farms and solar arrays. Fourth, the Left sees climate change as a perfect means to redistribute wealth from industrial countries to the developing world and the UN bureaucracy.

So we are told carbon dioxide is a "toxic" "pollutant" that must be curtailed, when in fact it is a colorless, odorless, tasteless, gas and the most important food for life on earth. Without carbon dioxide above 150 parts per million, all plants would die.

Human Emissions Saved Planet

Over the past 150 million years, carbon dioxide had been drawn down steadily (by plants) from about 3,000 parts per million to about 280 parts per million before the Industrial Revolution. If this trend continued, the carbon dioxide level would have become too low to support life on Earth. Human fossil fuel use and clearing land for crops have boosted carbon dioxide from its lowest level in the history of the Earth back to 400 parts per million today.

At 400 parts per million, all our food crops, forests, and natural ecosystems are still on a starvation diet for carbon dioxide. The optimum level of carbon dioxide for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1,500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Greenhouse growers inject carbon-dioxide to increase yields. Farms and forests will produce more if carbon-dioxide keeps rising.

We have no proof increased carbon dioxide is responsible for the earth's slight warming over the past 300 years. There has been no significant warming for 18 years while we have emitted 25 per cent of all the carbon dioxide ever emitted. Carbon dioxide is vital for life on Earth and plants would like more of it. Which should we emphasize to our children?

Celebrate Carbon Dioxide

The IPCC's followers have given us a vision of a world dying because of carbon-dioxide emissions. I say the Earth would be a lot deader with no carbon dioxide, and more of it will be a very positive factor in feeding the world. Let's celebrate carbon dioxide.

Patrick Moore (pmoore@allowgoldenricenow.org) was a cofounder and leader of Greenpeace for 15 years. He is now chair and spokesman for Allow Golden Rice.
 
Global warming is going to kill us.

Of course, it has to get in line behind natural causes, accidental death, genocidal religious fanaticism, nuclear proliferation, and famine ......... all of which well ahead of global warming with only famine being even remotely intertwined with Gore's dead horse.
 
man made carbon emissions saved the planet

Interesting angle that you dont read much these days.

I have always been a little cynical of efforts to reduce carbon dioxide that dont consider the fact that all plant life and thus 90% of human food supply needs carbon dioxide like we need oxygen. I wonder what plants would say if they had a voice in the carbon emissions argument.
 
need more clarity on how to tax it

create an issue and tax it.

we've tax cigarettes to death and still people smoke. Now, we cant' afford for them to quit.
 
The single objective is to create a crisis

That requires a huge redistribution of wealth to "solve" with massive power given to government elites. That is what this movement is all about.
 
Finally? It has been, is, and will be clear as siliceous ooze.

Beware of publications that contain words like greenpeace (Ha, bill gates want me to capitalize greenpeace) and sierra club.
These publication have an agenda for or against and will overwhelm you with "science." Real science doesn't debunk intelligent design nor assign unproven powers to humans.

Ecology plays as much a part on this planet as the periodic table. Life and the elements are mutually inclusive.

Example: Insects had to grow to enormous sizes to survive an oxygen enriched environment, but that didn't equip them against flying reptiles and other competitors. To bad, I'd love to saddle up a 10 ft centipede or commute on a dragon fly.

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

Short, but if you're too bored, scroll down to 'similarities with our present world' and 'our future is written in stone.' A lot of knowledge out there, just try to avoid politically driven knowledge. We'll never have all the answers, but we don't need to be mislead.

My personal feeling is if existence is a happy accident. it's the Hap Hap Happiest accident ever.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_cl
 
Agree with you and BLM except for....


That is what this movement is ALL about.

Actually I do agree, but recognize that a lot of the green movement is driven by people who have been swept up because their hearts are in the right place. Some aren't predisposed to free thinking and others just need more time being alive on this planet. Some need to get off the safety of the hiking trail and really experience nature. Warning: Nature is going to explore you too and nature doesn't care.
 
im gonna go out on a limb

And assume this "clarity" only supports your previously held, pArty driven, assumptions.

I will further assume that you will never accept anything tastiest support this position and thus reject anything that doesn't.

Clearly the epitome of critical thinking. The current environment is dominated by people that can't process competing truths so they must pick a side and defend that decision at all costs.
 
Re: im gonna go out on a limb

Lol. Libs are the ones claiming the science is settled. Talk about closed minds.
 
You should read the article

It won't harm your previously held, party driven assumptions.

Geez what a load of BS.
 
"party driven assumptions" funny, I just watched a show ......

about the rise of Hitler in Germany. As I watched how his fervent fanatics lapped up the Nazi "party line" and demonized and attacked ANYONE who disagreed , I said to myself, "Gee this looks familiar". Some lapdogs have a total lack of discernment. Go against their dogma and watch the hate spew forth.
 
I really don't have a problem with people who disagree with me

I think people will often disagree.

I think people and especially science should look at how our actions affect our environment and our climate. What I have a problem with is when people expect me to suspend logic and not even bother to think about a subject because what they are telling me is all I need to know.

I have always found an issue with the idea that carbon dioxide is a bad thing. We breathe oxygen and emit carbon dioxide. Plants breathe carbon dioxide and emit oxygen. If some man-made process is creating more carbon dioxide it is simply logical to plant more vegetation around that CO2 source to convert it to Oxygen. When I hear supposed geniuses suggest that the solution is to stop creating carbon dioxide and to eventually eliminate it, I am dumbfounded at the lack of thought must be put into this.

I think a lot of this crazy stuff just comes from a goupthink mentality among younger people. They are lead around by their noses from agenda driven politicians and greedy opportunists who play on their intelligence and encourage them to mock anyone who disagrees. This isnt a new tactic and it happens on all sides of the spectrum, but it is popular now because it is easy to demonize the energy giants and it makes them feel smart.

Most people who get into this debate, for example folks on here who often debate it. They prove they know so little about the environment by what they say and they know so very little about coal, oil and gas and other forms of energy and how those impact that environment that it is easy to think that this is a general misconception.
 
Re: I really don't have a problem with people who disagree with me

As I pointed out, it's the liberals that say the science is settled. It's the liberals that claim the debate is over. The liberals are disinterested in any point if view other than their own. When acclaimed scientists voice skepticism, they are labeled deniers. It's a cult. As the article states, the IPCC is charged with ONLY investigating man made global warming and not pursue all potential causes and impacts. That isn't science.
 
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