Final record

[Buckaineer]

As WVU approaches its last two games, the outcome for the season looks bleak.

Oklahoma is at its peak in performance and ISU is leading the conference and playing well too, and the game is there.

Last year with 12 games, WVU under Brown finished 5-7. This year its not a stretch to expect a 5-5 finish with 10 games.

So after 2 seasons a record of 10-12. Thats not exactly the " anyone can step in and do better" record of the people tooting Browns horn while they bitched about the 10 win, 8 win and 7 win seasons previously.

Now suddenly 5 wins is the acceptable goal?

Year three is likely to be a critical one for Brown barring essentially a miracle in the last two games.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Hopefully you have a happy Thanksgiving, Dana

Thanks but No Thanks Dana. No one wants your service back. Can't have a cokehead running the football program

 

[Buckaineer]

You can always tell a liar and crook when, in the face of legitimate fact they lie and make up childish namecalling and attack.


The question isnt whether Dana Holgorsen is coming back to WVU, its whether or not Brown is getting the job done that he was hired to do. Also why exactly is 5 wins the new high bar for WVU, when 7 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins wasnt acceptable just a couple of years ago?

 

[locustwv]

As WVU approaches its last two games, the outcome for the season looks bleak.

Oklahoma is at its peak in performance and ISU is leading the conference and playing well too, and the game is there.

Last year with 12 games, WVU under Brown finished 5-7. This year its not a stretch to expect a 5-5 finish with 10 games.

So after 2 seasons a record of 10-12. Thats not exactly the " anyone can step in and do better" record of the people tooting Browns horn while they bitched about the 10 win, 8 win and 7 win seasons previously.

Now suddenly 5 wins is the acceptable goal?

Year three is likely to be a critical one for Brown barring essentially a miracle in the last two games.

I believe Brown is the right coach for WVU and I think Trump is the right president for the next 4 years!!

 

[Buckaineer]

I believe Brown is the right coach for WVU and I think Trump is the right president for the next 4 years!!

Trump lost and Brown has WVU losing, so there you go

 

[Jason Voorhees]

You can always tell a liar and crook when, in the face of legitimate fact they lie and make up childish namecalling and attack.


The question isnt whether Dana Holgorsen is coming back to WVU, its whether or not Brown is getting the job done that he was hired to do. Also why exactly is 5 wins the new high bar for WVU, when 7 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins wasnt acceptable just a couple of years ago?

We know if Dana was still here we would lose for sure. He couldn't win these types of games in year 8 but you never complained. Why don't you wait and see what this guy can do in a couple of years when he has time to get his players into the system. You have no crediblity you have been complaining even before Browns 1st game.

 

[WVUALLEN]

As WVU approaches its last two games, the outcome for the season looks bleak.

Oklahoma is at its peak in performance and ISU is leading the conference and playing well too, and the game is there.

Last year with 12 games, WVU under Brown finished 5-7. This year its not a stretch to expect a 5-5 finish with 10 games.

So after 2 seasons a record of 10-12. Thats not exactly the " anyone can step in and do better" record of the people tooting Browns horn while they bitched about the 10 win, 8 win and 7 win seasons previously.

Now suddenly 5 wins is the acceptable goal?

Year three is likely to be a critical one for Brown barring essentially a miracle in the last two games.

Dumbest thread ever.
1st year no players worth a shit left by foldgerson
2nd year foundation being laid for generations to come
3rd year Bucksucker disappears.

ISU has won 3 of their 6 wins 3, 7, 7 and their loss in conference was 3 and they were embarrassed at home by a sun belt team. Texas beats ISU by 10 Saturday. WVU knocks them off the following week. OU and Texas finish 7-2 and OU is regular season champs due to tie breaker. OU slaps Texas stupid again and wins Big 12 CCG again.

Year 2 during a covid crisis 5 wins is very acceptable and bowl bound if they have them. I don't recall bitching about Holgorsen until his final 2 seasons during choke fest season #7.

You might as well leave the board for awhile bucksuck cause Brown will be here 4 years in the least.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Trump lost and Brown has WVU losing, so there you go

Do you have a serious brain injury? Nobody can be this stupid even if they tried.

 

[WVUALLEN]

You can always tell a liar and crook when, in the face of legitimate fact they lie and make up childish namecalling and attack.


The question isnt whether Dana Holgorsen is coming back to WVU, its whether or not Brown is getting the job done that he was hired to do. Also why exactly is 5 wins the new high bar for WVU, when 7 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins wasnt acceptable just a couple of years ago?

If it's not about Dana then why are you bringing his lame ass up? Who ever said 5 wins was a high bar? Nobody but you. Please link where it was said 5 wins is acceptable.

EDIT: You shouldn't talk about Biden and his lying ways. after all he's your gun stealing, voter fraud president.

 

[Buckaineer]

We know if Dana was still here we would lose for sure. He couldn't win these types of games in year 8 but you never complained. Why don't you wait and see what this guy can do in a couple of years when he has time to get his players into the system. You have no crediblity you have been complaining even before Browns 1st game.

What is that- some kind of alternate reality? Holgorsen won 8 games his final season, and other seasons. Won 10 games twice. He only failed to win 7 games one time. Was 4 points away from beating OU and playing for the BIG 12 championship his final year and winning 9 games or more.

Brown hasnt shown he can even win 6 games. How is he showing he can WIN when he can only beat fcs schools and Kansas or the lower tier of BIG 12 schools?

As to " waiting to see what he can do in a couple years", hmmm, is that what you did for the previous coach and his staffs? Why the double standard? Thought it was about winning and " getting the job done", and now its about worshipping a coach?

He has many of his players and some talented ones from the previous staff and the results so far show he cant figure out how to win at WVU. Does WVU really want to go into the next realignment with a long term losing record? I mean people were crying bloody murder about 7 win seasons and now you are championing 5 win seasons? This years BIG 12 is the weakest its ever been. No team in the conference has fewer than 2 losses.

DH never faced such a light schedule in the conference and still won more.

Next year will need major improvement or this experiment in hiring someone because they " fit" a certain element of WVUs fanbase may be coming to an end.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Dumbest thread ever.
1st year no players worth a shit left by foldgerson
2nd year foundation being laid for generations to come
3rd year Bucksucker disappears.

ISU has won 3 of their 6 wins 3, 7, 7 and their loss in conference was 3 and they were embarrassed at home by a sun belt team. Texas beats ISU by 10 Saturday. WVU knocks them off the following week. OU and Texas finish 7-2 and OU is regular season champs due to tie breaker. OU slaps Texas stupid again and wins Big 12 CCG again.

Year 2 during a covid crisis 5 wins is very acceptable and bowl bound if they have them. I don't recall bitching about Holgorsen until his final 2 seasons during choke fest season #7.

You might as well leave the board for awhile bucksuck cause Brown will be here 4 years in the least.

Leddie Brown, the Stills Brothers, etc. respectfully disagree...just sayin'

 

[Motown Mounty]

I think Brown "longdicked" his wife a while back and she told him how she much liked it. Then Buckaineer found out his wife has a vibrator she named "Neal" in her table next to her bed

 

[Buckaineer]

I think idiots sabotoged the second winningest coach in WVU history to ensure his departure, and now that theyve succeeded, show that they never cared about WVU football, but are more interested in propping up certain coaches that fit a certain mold-- which has nothing to do with football.

And now that theyve been proven so wrong, cant admit how wrong they were, so in typical narcissist fashion lash out and deny facts to make themselves feel better.

 

[Motown Mounty]

It must have been huge!

 

[WVUALLEN]

Leddie Brown, the Stills Brothers, etc. respectfully disagree...just sayin'

And Holgs still couldn't bring home a Big 12 title. Just sayin.

 

[Wvu Eers28]

How did Holgerson 2nd year look like? 4-8. Brown already ahead of Holgorsen timeline.

 

[Volatility]

What is that- some kind of alternate reality? Holgorsen won 8 games his final season, and other seasons. Won 10 games twice. He only failed to win 7 games one time.

There is more then Wins & Losses that tell the true story about a coach's quality. DH choked in 2018, the senior laden team he had that year(and that year only) was good enough to Win the Big12, but he choked against Okie St & IowaSt. I dont blame DH for the OU loss. Cant blame him for Will Griers 2 fumbles or TJ's penalty..

We had a perfect example of what 2019 would have been under DH vs Syracuse.

However, you CONTINUE to say DH only failed to win 7 games 1 time. Which year would that happen to be? Would it happen to be the year after he lost the majority of offensive production, after Geno, Austin, & Bailey left? Kinda like the difference between 2018 & 2019, right... 2019 is even worse due to the shitty recruiting DH did in 2016 & 2017. 2016 class top two recruits never made an impact in a WVU uniform, and 2017 was ranked 57 or so..

DH would have not won 5 games last year, he wouldnt have beat KState or TCU. Also, even if WVU ends the season with 5 wins, thats with 2 less games played, and we would have beat FSU this year. Also, when you look at almost every major offensive & defensive stat, WVU is one of the most improved teams in all of D1, with one of the best defenses in the Big12. Considering the youth on the 1st & 2nd string, Brown & Staff are doing a fantastic job, of having the team in a position to compete, to win. We are 1 bad ref and 1 fumble away from having 7 wins..

Nobody said 5 games is good enough, but logical humans know building from scratch is a long process, it requires 4-5 years to build a program the right way, ( ie not grabbing every decent JUCO player just to be able to hit 7 games), but to recruit quality HS players for development... It requires more time, but the end result will have a higher return.. Every analyst on Fox or ESPN is talking about how great of a job Neal Brown has done this year, how he is improving recruiting, its common knowledge at this point. Most of us here are ok giving Neal & staff 3-4 years before expectations are applied, because it takes time to recruit the players specific to his schemes, to his culture..

Go to bed Logan, your mom says goodnight

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Billy Napier may get the S Carolina job

But Neal Brown's name is coming up.
If he ends the season 7-3 S Carolina may ramp up the pressure for Brown.

I truthfully would tell S Carolina no. Because I think he could end up with better job offers but who knows

 

[Volatility]

Billy Napier may get the S Carolina job

But Neal Brown's name is coming up.
If he ends the season 7-3 S Carolina may ramp up the pressure for Brown.

I truthfully would tell S Carolina no. Because I think he could end up with better job offers but who knows

South Carolina is linear for Brown. TBH, I think the WVU boosters would absolutely work to do whatever possible to keep Brown. I think Kentucky is our main concern. So lets hope Stoops continues to do ok..

 

[Buckaineer]

How did Holgerson 2nd year look like? 4-8. Brown already ahead of Holgorsen timeline.

Huh? More creative rewriting of history!?? Holgorsen won 10 games and the BE championship year one and crushed Clemson in a major bowl. He won 7 games first year in the BIG 12.

Brown hasn't approached that type of success.

 

[Buckaineer]

There is more then Wins & Losses that tell the true story about a coach's quality. DH choked in 2018, the senior laden team he had that year(and that year only) was good enough to Win the Big12, but he choked against Okie St & IowaSt. I dont blame DH for the OU loss. Cant blame him for Will Griers 2 fumbles or TJ's penalty..

We had a perfect example of what 2019 would have been under DH vs Syracuse.

However, you CONTINUE to say DH only failed to win 7 games 1 time. Which year would that happen to be? Would it happen to be the year after he lost the majority of offensive production, after Geno, Austin, & Bailey left? Kinda like the difference between 2018 & 2019, right... 2019 is even worse due to the shitty recruiting DH did in 2016 & 2017. 2016 class top two recruits never made an impact in a WVU uniform, and 2017 was ranked 57 or so..

DH would have not won 5 games last year, he wouldnt have beat KState or TCU. Also, even if WVU ends the season with 5 wins, thats with 2 less games played, and we would have beat FSU this year. Also, when you look at almost every major offensive & defensive stat, WVU is one of the most improved teams in all of D1, with one of the best defenses in the Big12. Considering the youth on the 1st & 2nd string, Brown & Staff are doing a fantastic job, of having the team in a position to compete, to win. We are 1 bad ref and 1 fumble away from having 7 wins..

Nobody said 5 games is good enough, but logical humans know building from scratch is a long process, it requires 4-5 years to build a program the right way, ( ie not grabbing every decent JUCO player just to be able to hit 7 games), but to recruit quality HS players for development... It requires more time, but the end result will have a higher return.. Every analyst on Fox or ESPN is talking about how great of a job Neal Brown has done this year, how he is improving recruiting, its common knowledge at this point. Most of us here are ok giving Neal & staff 3-4 years before expectations are applied, because it takes time to recruit the players specific to his schemes, to his culture..

Go to bed Logan, your mom says goodnight

This is more stupidity and creative rearranging of history and of course doesn't address Brown's total failure.

In the final year, WVU lost by 4 points to OU. Would have played for the BIG 12 CCG had they won that one and probably made a major bowl. Hardly a "choke" since WVU was facing a playoff participant. Guess you also forgot Grier and several other players decided not to play in the bowl against Syracuse? Or that Syracuse was ranked in the top 15 that year? Yeah, history is alot different if you leave out little facts like those.

DH only failed to win 7 games or MORE one time. He would easily have done the same last year. The only thing lacking that final season was a great defense. But there were about 20 players Brown chased off that had contributed to that 2018 season, and several new recruits that were promising coming in. WVU would have been right back competing for the league instead of last in the P5 in rushing and scoring only 14 points per game as they managed under Brown.

WVU was not at "scratch", so there was no need to "build from scratch". Brown pushed out a bunch of players and brought some in that he also failed to prepare for major competition. Now this year, WVU is on a similar trajectory. Still inadequate offensively and still on track to have a .500 or worse season. There is nothing to indicate improvement in WINS is on the horizon and Brown is never going to get an easier season in the BIG 12 when even the top teams are a bit down.

Next year will be year three, WVU can't have a Kragthorpe losing for three straight seasons going into the realignment to come--next year will be essential for Brown to continue, otherwise AAC here we come.

You were wrong about Holgorsen and are wrong about Brown. But you are about worshipping a certain type of coach, not seeing WVU succeed. I'm sure the actual administration and donors will see things a bit differently should year three continue with the same trajectory.

 

[Buckaineer]

South Carolina is linear for Brown. TBH, I think the WVU boosters would absolutely work to do whatever possible to keep Brown. I think Kentucky is our main concern. So lets hope Stoops continues to do ok..

Dont see that. Neither boosters doing anything to hold on, or South Carolina looking to a coach who is losing to upgrade their program.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Dont see that. Neither boosters doing anything to hold on, or South Carolina looking to a coach who is losing to upgrade their program.

Dumbest response of all time.