Dude your delusional the committee is biased they want the 4 teams that give them the best ratings. ESPN wanted Ohio state that's what they got an Ohio state team is more attractive than a TCU Baylor winner face the facts.
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Dude your delusional the committee is biased they want the 4 teams that give them the best ratings. ESPN wanted Ohio state that's what they got an Ohio state team is more attractive than a TCU Baylor winner face the facts.
No, the question now is how the vote goes at the January NCAA meetings. If the Big12 gets a CCG with 10 teams it is pretty clear that expansion won't happen. And going back and reading previous comments it is pretty clear that half of the schools don't want to expand. Maybe it will be clearer after the vote. It sure would help if our flagship schools could play like flagship schools at least once every decade.
The BIG 12 needs to get better recruits. They need to be in more areas where great recruits live and play.
They. Need. Cover. Cover for all selections. They can't just pick who they want. By not having a CCG, the BIG 12 delivered exactly what the committees directors wanted, and they also got the insurance of having the Big Ten getting Wisconsin to flop in the Big Ten CCG. No CCG for the Big Ten and Ohio State wasn't in the playoffs-their resume didn't warrant them moving up over anyone and the committee had no way to justify that move.
Which is why they should add Houston I guess. Then they could recruit in Texas.
Not true at all. The disadvantage is clear and Bowlsby referenced that just the other day:
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The conference's small size (10 members), lack of a title game and absence of a cable television network all loom over the league's president and athletic director meetings in the next three months. The issues will come into clearer focus in January, after a vote at the NCAA Convention determines if the Big 12 can hold a title game while maintaining its current 10-team format. "I think the next few months are vital for us," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told SI.com. "We'll begin to see a few more pieces of the puzzle and undertake a more thorough assessment of what our opinions are."
Bowlsby has stated all year that one season of getting left out of the playoff doesn't make a trend. But he cautions that two years doesn't make a trend either, admitting that the Big 12 lacking a "13th data point" in the form of a conference title game is "a disadvantage." The league will determine over the next few months how much of a disadvantage it truly is, and whether to make changes because of it.
http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-questions-future-expansion-1528668401.html
Tv executives want the sexiest match up they are the ones who pay the money and they control the purse strings. The big 12 needs to play better football and stop being exposed as frauds in bowl games. This is the 4th straight year that the big 12 champ has been spanked. The only good thing about this year is at least it was at the hands of a power 5 conference team
You say not true at all and then reference the very same vote coming up in January that I did. If the Big 12 is allowed a CCG by this vote then they get to stay at 10 and have a CCG. If the vote goes against them they will consider expansion.
We know Houston can play with the big boys, but so can other schools. Baylor without a starting QB certainly crushed the ACC's # 2 the other day in similar fashion.
and you read what Bowlsby said and ignore that he stated the conference is at a disadvantage. He also said the other day that the decisions they make will be based in part on if they are willing to live with that disadvantage. They are going to consider expansion either way--and will choose what they think gives them the best shot for future success.
Sure, tv executives want this or that. But they can't just sell the viewing public on anything they must have the appearance of justification for that. They need cover, and by not having a CCG the BIG 12 is giving them just that.
The BIG 12 just destroyed the ACC's #2 the other day. Today #4 played #1 in #1's territory and there were numerous injuries. Didn't expose anything unless you consider the Pac 12 exposed this year--after all they didn't even make the playoffs and last year their champion was crushed in the playoffs..
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Bowlsby said "he wants the option of having a title game without the drastic measure of expansion -- though he is certainly willing to consider it." That says to me he is waiting to see how the vote goes and that he considers expansion drastic. Pretty clear.
The BIG 12 has said from realignment they don't want to expand--thats nothing new. They haven't said they will not expand though, and Barry Tramel of the Oklahoman just the other day referenced his BIG 12 sources acknowledgeing disadvantage and moving closer to accepting that expansion they don't want but need.
They won't leave themselves disadvantaged, not sure why you think they will-you aren't convincing anyone of that so its really pointless. The BIG 12 is waiting for a few shoes to drop.
Florida State was a better team than NC and Houston was better than any Big 12 team. The orange bowl was a neutral site game Oklahoma was well represented. The big 12 is a middle heavy conference stop making excuses for Oklahoma. The casual fan is more interested in Ohio state than TCU or baylor the majority of the nation would rather see Ohio State play than TCU or Baylor. Big 10 country has more television sets than Big 12 country
FSU was destroyed by Houston and Houston lost to UConn. Only Kansas would have had trouble with UConn this season. Two of the top three ACC programs were destroyed. Baylor didn't even have a QB and still lit up UNC for historic rushing #s. The BIG 12 is as good a conference as any while the ACC has one good team in any year.
It doesn't matter what your little thoughts on the BIG 12 are--its a power conference that made the playoffs. Clemson won with a little help from the refs (i.e. major pass interference that wasn't called). That isn't significant of anything other than one team playing better, not having injuries and getting some calls.
I'll wait for the vote, then see what the Big12 does rather than take your word for it. Doing anything other than that , including ceaseless lobbying for expansion is equally pointless. I think you are having a little trouble reading what Bowlsby has actually said.
I don't care whose word you take, just stop pretending the BIG 12 doesn't need to do anything and isn't going to do anything. Ceaselessly campaigning for inaction is silly at this point.
I don't think you read anything Bowlsby said-you certainly aren't paying attention. The BIG 12 was never going to expand prior to 2017--but they may be an expanded league by then.
Dude, are you drinking? Here read it for yourself, this is getting tiresome. They are going to see how the vote goes and then decide. If they can have a CCG with ten teams they will. If they can do that then they probably will not expand, even if they are thinking about it. It doesn't mean that they won't expand in the future for some other reasons if they deem it a good decision. If they cannot have a CCG with ten teams then they will probably expand. You seem to be obsessed with the idea of expansion. I'm not obsessed with anything other than waiting to see what they decide to do. I care less and less. You have made some good points in this discussion before this but now you are just being ridiculous.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ort-conference-championship-game-deregulation
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ort-conference-championship-game-deregulation
The Big 12 inst a bad conference its just a middle heavy conference. Houston didn't have their top QB when they played Uconn so I guess since you like to use injuries as an excuse there you go. UNC was not a great team yes Baylor lit them up but they also lost to South Carolina. Clemson won what with a little help from the Refs? Clemson physically dominated Oklahoma with superior athletes Regardless of How good the ACC is or isn't the Best team in the ACC is superior to the best team in the Big 12 just look at the scoreboard and stop making excuses
The BIG 12 is an elite conference. Its not "middle heavy". Its strong top to bottom. Last year they had teams in TCU and Baylor that could have won the MNC. This year they had a strong set of schools that knocked each other out, knocked players out and unfortunately had multiple injuries and some refs that couldn't see in a playoff game.
Clemson dominated OU with pass interference calls that weren't called-except against OU. Everytime OU did anything good in that game--flags flew against them. Clemson was ranked #1--they should win the game and did. It doesn't mean your trolling attacks on the BIG 12 have any validity unless you also think the Big Ten sucks and the Pac 12 really sucks--cause MSU lost 38-0 and the Pac 12 couldn't even make the playoffs.
Obviously you know nothing about college football though. The ACC is the last place conference which happened to have one good team in it. That team didn't beat every BIG 12 school, just one, and their second and third place teams were demolished by a QBless BIG 12 squad that had historic rushing numbers against your beloved ACC, and the other was stomped by a mid major. Nothing to brag about there.
It is getting tiresome. Expansion isn't determined simply by that vote. It may delay expansion in the BIG 12, but that isn't necessarily the case and they've never said that. They've said they realize they are at a disadvantage without a CCG and the decision will be whether to live with that disadvantage or do something such as expansion. Stop trying to spin it otherwise--the public record is there.
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“We don’t think we ought to be forced into adding schools in order to have a championship game, but it could end up that way,” Bowlsby told ESPN.com last month.
http://www.journalinquirer.com/spor...cle_0e7ced60-b044-11e5-9ecb-932b9bdc9547.html
or this info from sports illustrated:
Here's the prevailing thought around the Big 12: If its legislation proposal gets shot down, there's a roughly 70% chance the league will expand during the next year or two in order to get a title game. If the legislation passes, there's less than a 50% chance of imminent change
http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-questions-future-expansion-1528668401.html#
Notice it doesn't say theres NO chance of change in the form of expansion, just that it won't be imminent. Why are you so determined to pretend it isn't on the minds of the conference and they aren't strongly considering expansion?
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Dude put down the crack pipe the Big 12 is strong top to bottom give me a break. The worst team in division 1 football is Kansas and by the way they lost to a lower division opponent. The big 12 has allot of lower level top 25 teams but no great teams. TCU might have been a National championship contender last year but not Baylor they couldn't even beat the big 10 2nd or 3rd best team. Clemson Beat Oklahoma because they where a better football team they had superior athletes on the offense and defensive line and a far superior QB. Clemson had injuries to deal with too. The big 12 shit the bed last year only going 2-5 in bowl games and might not end up on the winning side this year either. Im not trolling anything maybe you should look at the box score and scoreboard of the Clemson Ou game and stop posting foolish excuses
The BIG 12 is strong top to bottom, you must be the only troll that doesn't understand that. You take a one team one game result to attempt to berate the league when your conference didn't even make the playoffs and the ACC you are touting had two of its top three teams crushed--one by a mid major and the other by a QB less fouth place BIG 12 program. Give me a break. The BIG 12 doesn't have "lower level top 23 teams. They have multiple top ten teams and top 25 teams. Several of the teams have injuries and now even TCU has lost their QB for their bowl. Baylor beat more top ten teams last year than virtually anyone. They lost by a point to another top ten team after having a huge lead dissolved by a series of miracles for MSU. The Big Ten had a losing record in bowls for a decade. The ACC had years of crapping the bed. Now OU loses to the #1 team in the country and the entire conference is terrible? What a moron.
Which Top ten team did Baylor beat out of conference? what was the big 12 bowl record last year? I never said the Big 12 was bad its just middle heavy and I also said regardless of how good the acc is or isn't Clemson is better than any team in the Big 12. You are the troll and your also a fool who makes pathetic excuses
Clemson beat OU. They aren't better than any team in the BIG 12, they were better (sort of) last night than an injured OU. Call a couple of pass interference calls as they should clearly have been and last nights results look very different.
Baylor would have smoked Clemson as would a healthy TCU.
Baylor beat #6 Oklahoma State--it doesn't matter if they were a conference team or not, they were a top 6 team.
Baylor would have smoked Clemson as would a healthy TCU.
Baylor beat #6 Oklahoma State--it doesn't matter if they were a conference team or not, they were a top 6 team.
I posted the exact quote as you way above. You obviously don't read very well. And you certainly don't understand what I have said. Life is short. Get one.
You don't read well and need to get a life. Bowlsby stated that the conference knows its at a disadvantage and must decide if they want to live with a disadvantage. They have let it be known they are considering expansion regardless of whether or not the deregulation vote passes or not. If it does, it may slow expansion down but doesn't end it, and reports from actual connected sources indicate the membership is leaning towards expansion after seeing OU drop in the rankings despite winning-and still making the playoffs-- because the league has no CCG.
Again, not sure why you are so intent on pretending these aren't the facts. They are.
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Bowlsby:
"We have fewer data points," Bowlsby said in an interview this week. "We have 12 and if you play a championship game you have 13 games. It seems to me we have to acknowledge we're somewhat at a disadvantage and that some years we can overcome the disadvantage and some years, perhaps, we won't be able to."
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That brings us back to the debate the Big 12 has faced ever since shrinking from 12 teams to 10 during two rounds of realignment -- to expand back to a dozen teams or not.
"Well, expansion is certainly one option," Bowlsby said. "Our presidents and chancellors would decide if that's one they want to pursue. The other option is to assess the risk and the disadvantage and determine if we're willing to live with the disadvantage."
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...-game-hurt-big-12-2015-still-looms-conference
For those with comprehension issues it can't get any clearer than that
"We have fewer data points," Bowlsby said in an interview this week. "We have 12 and if you play a championship game you have 13 games. It seems to me we have to acknowledge we're somewhat at a disadvantage and that some years we can overcome the disadvantage and some years, perhaps, we won't be able to."
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That brings us back to the debate the Big 12 has faced ever since shrinking from 12 teams to 10 during two rounds of realignment -- to expand back to a dozen teams or not.
"Well, expansion is certainly one option," Bowlsby said. "Our presidents and chancellors would decide if that's one they want to pursue. The other option is to assess the risk and the disadvantage and determine if we're willing to live with the disadvantage."
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...-game-hurt-big-12-2015-still-looms-conference
For those with comprehension issues it can't get any clearer than that
This quote sort of contradicts your point. It's pretty clear from what Bowlsby said that the Big 12 wants to stay at 10 teams and have a CCG if the deregulation proposal passes. Really, if deregulation goes through, there isn't any reason to expand.
whether deregulation passes or not there are reasons for the BIG 12 to expand. As Bowlsby stated they are at a disadvantage and must determine whether to live with that disadvantage or expand. Their two options.
Dude your pathetic Clemson was without their best D line and one of there best Wr. They have more size speed and Better athletics Than Oklahoma. There will be more guys playing on Sunday from that Clemson team than there will be from Oklahoma they also recruit better than Oklahoma does. Like It or not Oklahoma was the best the Big 12 had Clemson athletics are far superior to what TCU and Baylor gets. How did Baylor fair the last 2 seasons when they won the conference champion? You can't accept the fact that the big 12 is middle heavy it blows up your Dana apologist excuses
With a Nine game conference schedule Oklahoma and Texas will be in different divisions and play each other as a permanent crossover game. You will play one permanent game vs the other side and play the other 5 teams six games in ten years. So over a ten year period Oklahoma and Texas will be coming to Morgantown 8 times over 10 years.
Interesting write up in the Hartford Courant--UConn wants in the BIG 12 and this writer discussed what might make them a valid inclusion for the BIG 12--good points made:
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Think about this. If the Big 12 Conference is strong-armed into expanding in the coming months, why would it want UConn?
Easy, really. It's all about New York.
More than football, more than basketball, more than academics — although all three are important factors — the millions of television eyeballs that could come with the inclusion of a Northeast megalopolis state university could dramatically impact the footprint of a Power Five conference that currently is No. 5.
Yes, it's about the football. It almost always is.
Yet more than the football, it's about the TV money. It's ALWAYS about the money.
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-uconn-big-12-0105-20160105-column.html
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Think about this. If the Big 12 Conference is strong-armed into expanding in the coming months, why would it want UConn?
Easy, really. It's all about New York.
More than football, more than basketball, more than academics — although all three are important factors — the millions of television eyeballs that could come with the inclusion of a Northeast megalopolis state university could dramatically impact the footprint of a Power Five conference that currently is No. 5.
Yes, it's about the football. It almost always is.
Yet more than the football, it's about the TV money. It's ALWAYS about the money.
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-uconn-big-12-0105-20160105-column.html
Probably not entirely accurate. But the real question is--do the television networks care about New York City which UConn shares some market with--and does UConn have a big enough brand there to warrant being an added team in the BIG 12 should they expand.
The Big 12 will have to expand for tv eyeballs period. That's where the money comes from...the inventory that the leagues can provide. It is almost funny too hear the self embracing chatter about teams not being worthy etc. Get real. Twelve teams. Two divisions. A CCG. More inventory for the network. A cable/streaming network of its own. Two more teams in the Eastern half of the US to draw eyeballs. A couple more teams for bowls. This all will happen unless the Presidents are really clueless...which they aren't. Connecticut and Cincinnati or one of the Florida schools get eyeballs....regardless of who else is around them.
Two years in a row and B12 was penalized for not having 13th data point. If full CCG dereg is passed, the B12 will stay at 10. If it does not pass at all the B12 will move to 12 by 2017. Not sure what will happen if dereg passes with BIG10 amendment.
What part of skygusty post is not true? He states, "No, the question now is how the vote goes at the January NCAA meetings. If the Big12 gets a CCG with 10 teams it is pretty clear that expansion won't happen."
He is spot assuming it passes without the BIG10 amendment, expansion is on put off until other conference make a move or current contract ends.
If however the vote totally fails, expect to see the B12 add 2 teams by 2017.
As stated previously, there is no information as to what will happen if the vote passes with BIG10 amendment. My hope is expansion happen, but I doubt it.
He is wrong because he--and apparently you-are claiming that if the BIG 12 gets a deregulation vote, they will not expand. The conference has not said this.
If deregulation passes, it isn't ending expansion at all --because playing a 10 team CCG simply guarantees a rematch which no one thinks is a good idea. Deregulation also makes possible adding teams but not forming divisions in doing so--something that could be a sticking point in BIG 12 expansion.
Deregulation simply provides options not available now to the conference. If deregulation happens--the BIG 12 may choose to do nothing. They may choose to play a 10 team CCG. They may choose to expand and utilize deregulation to organize their league and championships as they see best suits their conference-as it should be. Delaney isn't trying to stop conferences from being able to play a CCG--he is specifically trying to stop the conferences from being able to forego divisions in selecting their champions.
Delaney doesn't want the ACC getting rid of divisions and just having the two best teams play, or the BIG 12 expanding and doing so without forming divisions--which of course makes expansion more palatable to those that don't really want to do it-or those that might consider joining the league.
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