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Big 12 grabbed an independent and three of the most accomplished Group of Five schools: BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. Their total number of what are now called New Year's Six bowls (Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Peach): 11.

Texas and Oklahoma's combined total: 73.

You can see the climb the Big 12 is facing to keep its relevance.

Cincinnati and Houston bring the smallest stadiums to the Big 12. Both seat approximately 40,000.

First, the Big 12 will grow back to 12. Then it will begin to find its revenue worth. Industry sources have put the new per-team revenue at $20 million-$25 million per year. While that would be a huge boost for the AAC teams emigrating to the Big 12 -- those schools make only $7 million per year -- the existing Big 12 schools would have reduce their bottom lines by about a third, coming down from $37 million in annual media rights payouts.

Will an Iowa State be able to hold on to Matt Campbell? What would happen to expansive facilities upgrades? Will debt service obligations be met?

The SEC is doing the exact opposite in seeking how to create more and better conference games. SEC can do it because it has the best inventory of games perhaps than any conference in history. Consider that there can now be regular games featuring Texas or Oklahoma against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M. That's without even mentioning the legacy SEC rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Georgia.

What's the best rivalry in the new Big 12? Twelve teams in five states from the Atlantic to the Wasatch Mountains?

That is one expansion question that is yet to be answered.

All this from Bucky's favorite news man...
Dennis Dodd.

That ah boy Bucky.
 
All of the worrying about how much money the school is going to pull in is more or less irrelevant in terms of competitiveness. Basically every team who has “stepped up” to bigger/more lucrative conferences has either treaded water and more likely became less relevant. The money that matters is what a fanbase can pony up for NIL. If Stanford’s alumni really wanted to, they could absolutely turn the whole sport upside down with all of the Silicon Valley money their alums have, there just likely isn’t an appetite for it from them.

For all of the chest thumping the SEC does about the money those schools get, none of them have been able to topple Alabama for more than a year at a time and most of them haven’t ever come close to matching their dominance for one full season despite those big stadiums and SEC money (Ole Miss, Arky, MSU, Tenn, SCar, UK, Vandy, Mizzou, A&M). I expect OU and especially Texas to face plant here as well given what OU has produced in the CFP with a relatively easy path each year.
 
Big 12 grabbed an independent and three of the most accomplished Group of Five schools: BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. Their total number of what are now called New Year's Six bowls (Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Peach): 11.

Texas and Oklahoma's combined total: 73.

You can see the climb the Big 12 is facing to keep its relevance.

Cincinnati and Houston bring the smallest stadiums to the Big 12. Both seat approximately 40,000.

First, the Big 12 will grow back to 12. Then it will begin to find its revenue worth. Industry sources have put the new per-team revenue at $20 million-$25 million per year. While that would be a huge boost for the AAC teams emigrating to the Big 12 -- those schools make only $7 million per year -- the existing Big 12 schools would have reduce their bottom lines by about a third, coming down from $37 million in annual media rights payouts.

Will an Iowa State be able to hold on to Matt Campbell? What would happen to expansive facilities upgrades? Will debt service obligations be met?

The SEC is doing the exact opposite in seeking how to create more and better conference games. SEC can do it because it has the best inventory of games perhaps than any conference in history. Consider that there can now be regular games featuring Texas or Oklahoma against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M. That's without even mentioning the legacy SEC rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Georgia.

What's the best rivalry in the new Big 12? Twelve teams in five states from the Atlantic to the Wasatch Mountains?

That is one expansion question that is yet to be answered.

All this from Bucky's favorite news man...
Dennis Dodd.

That ah boy Bucky.
You’re current media numbers are wrong! You’re quoting the total payout and not the TV contract money.
 
Big 12 grabbed an independent and three of the most accomplished Group of Five schools: BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. Their total number of what are now called New Year's Six bowls (Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Peach): 11.

Texas and Oklahoma's combined total: 73.

You can see the climb the Big 12 is facing to keep its relevance.

Cincinnati and Houston bring the smallest stadiums to the Big 12. Both seat approximately 40,000.

First, the Big 12 will grow back to 12. Then it will begin to find its revenue worth. Industry sources have put the new per-team revenue at $20 million-$25 million per year. While that would be a huge boost for the AAC teams emigrating to the Big 12 -- those schools make only $7 million per year -- the existing Big 12 schools would have reduce their bottom lines by about a third, coming down from $37 million in annual media rights payouts.

Will an Iowa State be able to hold on to Matt Campbell? What would happen to expansive facilities upgrades? Will debt service obligations be met?

The SEC is doing the exact opposite in seeking how to create more and better conference games. SEC can do it because it has the best inventory of games perhaps than any conference in history. Consider that there can now be regular games featuring Texas or Oklahoma against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M. That's without even mentioning the legacy SEC rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Georgia.

What's the best rivalry in the new Big 12? Twelve teams in five states from the Atlantic to the Wasatch Mountains?

That is one expansion question that is yet to be answered.

All this from Bucky's favorite news man...
Dennis Dodd.

That ah boy Bucky.
I guess Dennis Dodd is trying to say that the big 12 is barely climbing out of G5 status
 
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Big 12 grabbed an independent and three of the most accomplished Group of Five schools: BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. Their total number of what are now called New Year's Six bowls (Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Peach): 11.

Texas and Oklahoma's combined total: 73.

You can see the climb the Big 12 is facing to keep its relevance.

Cincinnati and Houston bring the smallest stadiums to the Big 12. Both seat approximately 40,000.

First, the Big 12 will grow back to 12. Then it will begin to find its revenue worth. Industry sources have put the new per-team revenue at $20 million-$25 million per year. While that would be a huge boost for the AAC teams emigrating to the Big 12 -- those schools make only $7 million per year -- the existing Big 12 schools would have reduce their bottom lines by about a third, coming down from $37 million in annual media rights payouts.

Will an Iowa State be able to hold on to Matt Campbell? What would happen to expansive facilities upgrades? Will debt service obligations be met?

The SEC is doing the exact opposite in seeking how to create more and better conference games. SEC can do it because it has the best inventory of games perhaps than any conference in history. Consider that there can now be regular games featuring Texas or Oklahoma against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M. That's without even mentioning the legacy SEC rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Georgia.

What's the best rivalry in the new Big 12? Twelve teams in five states from the Atlantic to the Wasatch Mountains?

That is one expansion question that is yet to be answered.

All this from Bucky's favorite news man...
Dennis Dodd.

That ah boy Bucky.
All this talk about wanting to add UA, ASU, CU. UTAH. They all rank in the bottom half of the Pac 12 in tv viewership

Utah 7th
ASU 8th
CU 9th
UA 11th

So the big 12 supposedly wants to boost its appeal by adding teams that struggle to pull their own weight in their own conference. Not exactly a recipe for success.

 
All this talk about wanting to add UA, ASU, CU. UTAH. They all rank in the bottom half of the Pac 12 in tv viewership

Utah 7th
ASU 8th
CU 9th
UA 11th

So the big 12 supposedly wants to boost its appeal by adding teams that struggle to pull their own weight in their own conference. Not exactly a recipe for success.

So I guess Big 12 should just sit on their hands until someone picks them apart?

If ESPN wants those teams in Big 12 those teams will be in Big 12.

Personally I would go for the throat. Grab, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, California, Utah, Colorado.

None of it is going to happen so might as well go wild.
 
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So I guess Big 12 should just sit on their hands until someone picks them apart?

If ESPN wants those teams in Big 12 those teams will be in Big 12.

Personally I would go for the throat. Grab, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, California, Utah, Colorado.

None of it is going to happen so might as well go wild.
No ones gonna pick the Big 12 apart there's nothing anyone wants. When it comes to the Pac 12 the teams that bring the most don't want to come. The teams that are being mentioned as the biggest possibility's don't really help the big 12's bottom line. If you want more mouths to feed you got to bring in more bread. Oregon Washington and Stanford don't want to come and their the ones that might add value. Utah Colorado ASU AU probably don't add much of anything.
 
No ones gonna pick the Big 12 apart there's nothing anyone wants. When it comes to the Pac 12 the teams that bring the most don't want to come. The teams that are being mentioned as the biggest possibility's don't really help the big 12's bottom line. If you want more mouths to feed you got to bring in more bread. Oregon Washington and Stanford don't want to come and their the ones that might add value. Utah Colorado ASU AU probably don't add much of anything.
Neither did UCF, Cincinnati and Houston.
 
No ones gonna pick the Big 12 apart there's nothing anyone wants. When it comes to the Pac 12 the teams that bring the most don't want to come. The teams that are being mentioned as the biggest possibility's don't really help the big 12's bottom line. If you want more mouths to feed you got to bring in more bread. Oregon Washington and Stanford don't want to come and their the ones that might add value. Utah Colorado ASU AU probably don't add much of anything.

Like the Big East, I would imagine that if the conference gets “pesky” enough, the powers that be will add the school(s) that are carrying the weight in football and try to kill the league. Or it will die on its own. The schools in the best position to make a case to be added this decade are Baylor and OK State. If one of them can win a CFP game or even an NC they will get added IMO.
 
Like the Big East, I would imagine that if the conference gets “pesky” enough, the powers that be will add the school(s) that are carrying the weight in football and try to kill the league. Or it will die on its own. The schools in the best position to make a case to be added this decade are Baylor and OK State. If one of them can win a CFP game or even an NC they will get added IMO.
It really depends on what motivates the expansion. Looking at the chess board ND, FSU, Clemson and maybe Miami is all that remains of the blue bloods. After that you're dealing with the best of the rest. Whatever happens with the Acc, Big 12, Pac 12 is of no consequence to the Big 10 and Sec. If the Big 10 or Sec wants something there going to take it regardless. If Oklahoma State continues with their success maybe they get an invite but its probably a long shot for Them. I don't see Baylor ever moving up there just a small private school with out much appeal.
 
Like the Big East, I would imagine that if the conference gets “pesky” enough, the powers that be will add the school(s) that are carrying the weight in football and try to kill the league. Or it will die on its own. The schools in the best position to make a case to be added this decade are Baylor and OK State. If one of them can win a CFP game or even an NC they will get added IMO.
Weight doesn't matter, that was the BCS where there was some stupid formula to weight qualification for the Big East to be qualified to qualify for the qualification to be a BCS auto-bid so that a team could then qualify to be selected to have an opportunity to be selected for a BCS bowl game....but only if Notre Dame didn't qualify in your place.

Now it's about subscription sales of cable and streaming, and Baylor adds almost nothing with it's small alumni base (we have almost 2x), and OSU is sloppy seconds to the SEC with OU. ShIt I didn't even know where OSU was until we joined the Big12. Success wise Baylor looks good now, but lets face it in that they are peaking in their cycle and by the time a new deal is in place and they are in a revised Big12, they'll be back down to average (remember we were there once). Sure, I'd like their current success, but a sustainable national brand they are not.
 
With Cinci and Houston coming in, we might actually find a kind of rivalry in the B12. Houston because of Holgs. Cinci because of proximity. Who knows, The B12 sucks is all I know. It all sucks. ESPN sucks. ESPN is ruining American sports every day and it started when Disney bought them. They are more into woke and politics than sports.
 
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Weight doesn't matter, that was the BCS where there was some stupid formula to weight qualification for the Big East to be qualified to qualify for the qualification to be a BCS auto-bid so that a team could then qualify to be selected to have an opportunity to be selected for a BCS bowl game....but only if Notre Dame didn't qualify in your place.

Now it's about subscription sales of cable and streaming, and Baylor adds almost nothing with it's small alumni base (we have almost 2x), and OSU is sloppy seconds to the SEC with OU. ShIt I didn't even know where OSU was until we joined the Big12. Success wise Baylor looks good now, but lets face it in that they are peaking in their cycle and by the time a new deal is in place and they are in a revised Big12, they'll be back down to average (remember we were there once). Sure, I'd like their current success, but a sustainable national brand they are not.

The Big East had an auto bid to the BCS. The criteria you’re referring to was some stipulation that the Big East had to have a champion average out in the top 12 of the BCS final poll over a given period (5 years?) but it never came into play as I believe the Big East satisfied the criteria and then was killed a few years after the evaluation period. The Notre Dame deal had to do with the non BCS bowls and most significantly the Gator Bowl where basically if ND was either not in the BCS and bowl eligible, they could take the Gator Bowl away from the Big East. What killed the Big East was the fact that the ACC set out to kill it, and it still existed as a recognized power conference all those years later with the Big East arguably producing a better product year over year. Therefore the ACC decided to go for the jugular and took Pitt Cuse and UL with WVU gaining a Big XII invite and they finished the job from 2003.

I don’t think it’s about “cable subscription” more so than it’s about high quality inventory. The B1G took a blue blood and likely had to include UCLA to entice them to make the deal and abandon its history. If it was simply about subscriptions, then simply only UCLA would have gotten the job done. Therefore IMO if Baylor tops off a decade of being the only challenger to OU (3 conf titles/Heisman winner) with a National Title, or even simply a pantsing of Alabama in a CFP game, then their appeal will be tough to deny especially in a football fanatic state like Texas. Easier said than done, but end of the day they will have the same path OU routinely rode to the CFP, they will get an opportunity.
 
It really depends on what motivates the expansion. Looking at the chess board ND, FSU, Clemson and maybe Miami is all that remains of the blue bloods. After that you're dealing with the best of the rest. Whatever happens with the Acc, Big 12, Pac 12 is of no consequence to the Big 10 and Sec. If the Big 10 or Sec wants something there going to take it regardless. If Oklahoma State continues with their success maybe they get an invite but its probably a long shot for Them. I don't see Baylor ever moving up there just a small private school with out much appeal.

If a program rises from the leftovers and starts beating them on the field, it will matter, just like it did when some nothing program in the 80s decided to recruit from the hood and started kicking the shit out of everyone. If they don’t, then it won’t matter. Simple as that.
 
Mormans believe in Jesus. Belief in Him is the central tenet in their faith. You are an ignorant , backwoods, anti Christian bigot Tylerite.
Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity, the basic doctrine of Christianity.
Keep reaching there girl.
 
No ones gonna pick the Big 12 apart there's nothing anyone wants. When it comes to the Pac 12 the teams that bring the most don't want to come. The teams that are being mentioned as the biggest possibility's don't really help the big 12's bottom line. If you want more mouths to feed you got to bring in more bread. Oregon Washington and Stanford don't want to come and their the ones that might add value. Utah Colorado ASU AU probably don't add much of anything.
Utah, Colorado, AU and ASU do add a lot when you consider it will be eliminating one of the conferences trying to survive and wants your place.
 
With Cinci and Houston coming in, we might actually find a kind of rivalry in the B12. Houston because of Holgs. Cinci because of proximity. Who knows, The B12 sucks is all I know. It all sucks. ESPN sucks. ESPN is ruining American sports every day and it started when Disney bought them. They are more into woke and politics than sports.
Seriously doubt it.
 
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