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Do any deniers care about the Federal report on Climate Change?

All that anyone needs to know is that Trump's uncle was a professor on such things, and it runs in the family......just ask him.

"My uncle was a great professor at MIT for many years. Dr. John Trump. And I didn’t talk to him about this particular subject, but I have a natural instinct for science..."
 
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I didn’t see you commenting on the report that was peer reviewed and PUBLISHED as gospel and then debunked due to faulty data a couple weeks ago.
Co-author Ralph Keeling, climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, took full blame and thanked Lewis for alerting him to the mistake.

“When we were confronted with his insight it became immediately clear there was an issue there,” he said. “We’re grateful to have it be pointed out quickly so that we could correct it quickly.”


Keeling said they have since redone the calculations, finding the ocean is still likely warmer than the estimate used by the IPCC. However, that increase in heat has a larger range of probability than initially thought — between 10 percent and 70 percent, as other studies have already found.

“Our error margins are too big now to really weigh in on the precise amount of warming that’s going on in the ocean,” Keeling said. “We really muffed the error margins.”

— Debunked? No. Mistakes were made, and admitted to by author. They were corrected, and the findings changed — but nowhere near what deniers try to make it out to be.
 
I didn’t see you commenting on the report that was peer reviewed and PUBLISHED as gospel and then debunked due to faulty data a couple weeks ago.
My comment on the corrections and mistakes would be: peer reviewed works, and the problem is still WORSE than has been projected.
 
Co-author Ralph Keeling, climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, took full blame and thanked Lewis for alerting him to the mistake.

“When we were confronted with his insight it became immediately clear there was an issue there,” he said. “We’re grateful to have it be pointed out quickly so that we could correct it quickly.”


Keeling said they have since redone the calculations, finding the ocean is still likely warmer than the estimate used by the IPCC. However, that increase in heat has a larger range of probability than initially thought — between 10 percent and 70 percent, as other studies have already found.

“Our error margins are too big now to really weigh in on the precise amount of warming that’s going on in the ocean,” Keeling said. “We really muffed the error margins.”

— Debunked? No. Mistakes were made, and admitted to by author. They were corrected, and the findings changed — but nowhere near what deniers try to make it out to be.
They were peer reviewed and THEN published. Too much faulty data and too many convenient dismissals of models. I’m not even a denier, but I’m just saying the consensus is tripping over their dicks every time they get a chance.
 
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Everything's going to be just fine. We're just going to dim the sun and take care of this global warming/climate change fiasco.
 
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Everything's going to be just fine. We're just going to dim the sun and take care of this global warming/climate change fiasco.

Two things are always consistent witn those who insist humans are heating up the planet.

It ALWAYS requires bigger more costly government to solve the alleged warming.

They NEVER explain how more expansive Government cools us back down?

All they ever say is we need to do "more", and "more" is ALWAYS defined as redistributing money through bigger Government. There is NEVER a solution to it that doesn't require bigger more expensive more confiscatory Government in control over private enterprise and free markets.

NEVER.

So ask yourselves. Why is it that a man made scientific phenomenon (warning up the planet) never requires a man made scientific solution? Only more man made, Socialist inspired and administered confiscatory government?

NEVER more free enterprise. ALWAYS bigger Government.

Why?
 
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It's not only "global warming/climate change" either. Bigger more expensive redistributionist government is offered as the answer to ALL of our problems and social ills by the Left.

Need more jobs? Expand Government "guarantees" on labor and wages, and control over private enterprise.

Need health care coverage and lower prices? Expand Government controls over health care providers and insurers.

Need better education? Expand government spending and controls over already failing government run schools.

Problems with campaign financing? Expand government controls and regulations over free speech expression and private political contributions or fund raising.

Investment and/or banking issues? Expand government controls and increase regulations over banking investments, equities and stock trading for market capitalizations.

Issues with housing? Expand government price controls and regulations over hosing costs and increase government subsidies for rents.

Energy crisis? Expand government controls and regulations over energy production and sources and uses.

Problems with government debt? Expand government controls over individual wealth and increase confiscation of private accumulated wealth, also increase government taxes on private incomes generated and regulate how much of what any one individual is allowed to keep.

Racial strife? Expand government controls over speech and pass stricter government regulations over who gets hired based on their race or gender.

Unwanted pregnancies? Expand government funding for killing unwanted children, remove restrictions against infanticide.

Problem with guns? Expand government controls over who owns them or who can purchase them, and increase regulations on gun ownership.

Matter of fact, can anyone on the Left think of one problem we have that doesn't require a bigger government "fix" for whatever the "problem" is? If you're honest, the honest answer is NO! Increased controls, greater regulations, less Freedom for individuals is the standard "MO" for the Left solving any problem we have. If that's not true, when do your suggestions ever call for smaller government and less regulations? o_O

Bigger government is always your default answer on the Left to anything and everything that ails us. Only there is one giant problem with your big government solutions for everything from a-to-z.

None of them ever works!

Never.

The more regulations and controls we have, the bigger problems we get, and the miracle solution from the Left of course is always more of the same...more regulations, less freedoms, more controls.

When will you Leftists ever admit to your failures or that your elaborate control schemes simply don't work?

Ans: Never.
 
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Question is do we care what they think? No.

Of course not! That's why you all try to silence any and all opposition to what you think. You simply don't care what others think because of course you're always right, and anyone who disagrees with you or points out your errors must be silenced! Challenging Leftist orthodoxy draws a death sentence!
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They were peer reviewed and THEN published. Too much faulty data and too many convenient dismissals of models. I’m not even a denier, but I’m just saying the consensus is tripping over their dicks every time they get a chance.
You’re smart enough to understand how many studies are done on this issue. Glacier melt, ocean temps, bleaching, atmospheric temp, animal migration, oceanlife, etc.....the mistakes made on the study, you and most conservatives are choosing to pretend is common, are not the fvcking story.

Case in point, the federal report I linked has outlined substantial impacts to our own economy......yet you shout it down by citing a Princeton study on ocean temp miscalculating the margin of error on their findings.....and even though the studdy’s conclusion was accurate, it’s used as an example of how the science is wrong wrong wrong
 
Glacier melt, ocean temps, bleaching, atmospheric temp, animal migration, oceanlife, etc

Let's say as a matter of policy we set out to stop or prevent any one of these?

How would we do it?

How do we prevent glaciers from "melting"? Animals from "migrating"? How do we control Ocean temps? Atmospheric temps? What control do we humans have over deep sea Oceanlife?

Suppose we decided to get really devious and wipe out all of the Marine Life in the deep Ocean. Could we? Or let's say we set out as a totally maniacal species to melt all of the Earth's polar ice caps. How long would it take us to do that, and how would we do it? Or let's say as a matter of environmental terrorism, we set out with intent to heat up the atmosphere beyond the Sun's natural ability. We're just going to burn this mother down. What power beyond the Sun's ability to easily heat up the Earth do we have?

The silence in this answer will overpower any human ability we either have demonstrated or can imagine.
 
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Let's say as a matter of policy we set out to stop or prevent any one of these?

How would we do it?

How do we prevent glaciers from "melting"? Animals from "migrating"? How do we control Ocean temps? Atmospheric temps? What control do we humans have over deep sea Oceanlife?

Suppose we decided to get really devious and wipe out all of the Marine Life in the deep Ocean. Could we? Or let's say we set out as a totally maniacal species to melt all of the Earth's polar ice caps. How long would it take us do that, and how would we do it? Or let's say as a matter of environmental terrorism, we set out with intent to heat up the atmosphere beyond the Sun's natural ability. We're just going to burn this mother down. What power beyond the Sun's ability to easily heat up the Earth do we have?

The silence in this answer will overpower any human ability we either have demonstrated or can imagine.
Maybe you should read more
 
Maybe you should read more

I'll tell you what...I'll admit I know less about this topic than you. OK?

So educate me. In a few short sentences please explain to me how humans can "heat up" the Earth's atmosphere, or more importantly how we cool it down?

Same with melting glaciers, or killing off all Oceanic Marine Life. I'm asking if we actually intended to do all of that, how would we do it? The Leftist's suggestion of course is we're already doing it without intent (or maybe it is intentional) but how are we doing this?

That's as preposterous to me as saying we can actually stop the earth from rotating on its axis! Even you, in all of your relative brilliance, will have to admit that is absolutely, positively, impossible for humans to do am I right?

Of course I am even though you won't admit it!

So then if I'm right about our limited ability to stop the earth from rotating on its axis, how is it logical that we have even greater ability to heat up its atmosphere beyond the very Sun it rotates around which heats it up?o_O

Explain.
 
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I'll tell you what...I'll admit I know less about this topic than you. OK?

So educate me. In a few short sentences please explain to me how humans can "heat up" the Earth's atmosphere, or more importantly how we cool it down?

Same with melting glaciers, or killing off all Oceanic Marine Life. I'm asking if we actually intended to do all of that, how would would we? The Leftist's suggestion of course is we're already doing it without intent (or maybe it is intentional) but how are we doing this?

That's as preposterous to me as saying we can actually stop the earth from rotating on its axis! Even you, in all of your relative brilliance will have to admit that is absolutely, positively, impossible for humans to do am I right?

Of course I am even though you won't admit it!

So then if I'm right about our limited ability to stop the earth from rotating on its axis, how is it logical that we have even greater ability to heat up its atmosphere beyond the very Sun it rotates around that heats it up?o_O

Explain.
You are extremely ignorant on this subject, and probably shouldn’t discuss it at all.
 
You are extremely ignorant on this subject, and probably shouldn’t discuss it at all.

I'm admitting my ignorance. What else do you want me to say? I'm ignorant...clueless...mentally deficient on human power over the Earth. I'm simply asking you to show me how we can melt glaciers, heat up the atmosphere, & kill off all sub Oceanic marine Life? Matter of fact, have we even finished mapping the Ocean floor? Aren't there depths down there we simply can't reach? Fish can't live there? How do we kill them off too if we can't even get to 'em?[eyeroll]
 
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I'm admitting my ignorance. What else do you want me to say? I'm ignorant...clueless...mentally deficient on human power over the Earth. I'm simply asking you to show me how we can melt glaciers, heat up the atmosphere, & kill off all sub Oceanic marine Life? Matter of fact, have we even finished mapping the Ocean floor? Aren't there depths down there we can't reach? Fish can't live there? How do we kill them off too if we can't even get to 'em?[eyeroll]
No your not.....you are just acting like a passive aggressive little bitch. Eye roll emojis and tongue in cheek comments. Yet you haven’t even a grasp of the issue being identified by the science. At least true deniers attack the validity of the actual issue, are you too lazy or bullheaded to even try to understand it before taking your party’s position like a mindless fool?
 
You are extremely ignorant on this subject, and probably shouldn’t discuss it at all.

I might be ignorant...I'll admit to that. But it's amazing to me in my self admitted ignorance, I do at least understand that it is impossible for us (humans) to stop the earth from rotating around the Sun! I do understand in my glittering ignorance that is the primary and exclusive way the planet is heated and Men have no control over any aspect of that. No more than they can flip a switch and stop the earth from rotating and tilting away or towards the Sun (change of seasons). We are powerless over any of that...I'm ignorant enough to at least know that.

How come you don't understand that in all of your omniscience?
 
No your not.....you are just acting like a passive aggressive little bitch. Eye roll emojis and younger in cheek comments. Yet you haven’t even a grasp of the issue being identified by the science. At least true deniers attack the validity of the actual issue, are you too lazy or bullheaded to even try to understand it before taking your party’s position like a mindless fool?

I'm well aware of my lack of mental acuity which you so brilliantly and eloquently pointed out as a response to my direct question asking you to show me how humans are doing all of the things you've mentioned in this thread. Stop trying to convince me that your insults aren't working and are effective. I get the message. Now, can you please win me over to your side using the very science you're convinced of? No more need to establish my lack of knowledge on this...I've admitted to it. I need yours. OK?

Let me make it easy for you. Link me to irrefutable non relativistic factually demonstrated and non debated science demonstrating beyond all reasonable doubt that humans have heated up the atmosphere and how we did it? We know how the Sun does it, so how did humans match the Sun's awesome capabilities?
 
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Yet you haven’t even a grasp of the issue being identified by the science.

Funny...I got the same type of response from my friend @Bulya when I asked him to lay out for me the Democrat voting agenda for the new Congress, or explain their plan opposite Trump's to revitalize America's inner cities?

He gave me an answer very similar to yours here...that I am too stupid to begin to understand.

I'm actually disappointed in both you and him. Here you are, both committed Leftists, armed with all of your sophisticated knowledge and piercing intellects. You on global warming, and him on Democrat policy positions for the new Congress. Each with a chance to educate a deplorable rube who is clueless on these issues, and all you have for me after I've sincerely asked for each of your expertise is derision and ridicule and scorn and deeply personal insults attacking my ability to learn what you all already know! Instead of helping me...a poor uneducated Negro in desperate need of Leftist re-education and indoctrination, all I get is your dismissive backhand attacking my ability to learn and grow in Leftist orthodoxy.

All of this from a couple of kind, compassionate, tolerant, patient, open minded, accommodating, & accepting Leftists who always try to help underprivileged minorities.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I'm actually crushed.
 
Funny...I got the same type of response from my friend @Bulya when I asked him to lay out for me the Democrat voting agenda for the new Congress, or explain their plan opposite Trump's to revitalize America's inner cities?

He gave me an answer very similar to yours here...that I am too stupid to begin to understand.

I'm actually disappointed in both you and him. Here you are, both committed Leftists, armed with all of your sophisticated knowledge and piercing intellects. You on global warming, and him on Democrat policy positions for the new Congress. Each with a chance to educate a deplorable rube who is clueless on these issues, and all you have for me after I've sincerely asked for each of your expertise is derision and ridicule and scorn and deeply personal insults attacking my ability to learn what you all already know! Instead of helping me...a poor uneducated Negro in desperate need of Leftist re-education and indoctrination, all I get is your dismissive backhand attacking my ability to learn and grow in Leftist orthodoxy.

All of this from a couple of kind, compassionate, tolerant, patient, open minded, accommodating, & accepting Leftists who always try to help underprivileged minorities.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I'm actually crushed.
Way too much time on your hands pops. Go love your wife, take up golf, find something other than a discussion board and warping reality to feel superior to others as your way to fill time. Aren’t you a die hard man of god? Go help, heal the evil of the world. Jeez

And here’s the thing, if you really wanted to know, I’d be happy to educate you on this issue.....but I’m not a fool, and you’re not honestly asking either.

Get a life
 
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if I'm right about our limited ability to stop the earth from rotating on its axis, how is it logical that we have even greater ability to heat up its atmosphere beyond the very Sun it rotates around that heats it up?o_O

Explain.

You are extremely ignorant on this subject, and probably shouldn’t discuss it at all.

Why is this your answer? Can we heat the Earth beyond the Sun's natural ability? Are we more powerful than the Sun? How can we heat the earth beyond whatever temperature the Sun heats it? How do we do this? If we can heat it up, can we also cool it down beyond how much it cools when it rotates away from the Sun's ultraviolet heat source? (Winter) How much colder can we make it than it gets when the Sun is no longer heating whole hemispheres of it?

I don't need any more snide remarks about how stupid I am to not understand this...what I want you (need you) to explain to me now is what power humans have to heat up the planet beyond the Sun's power to do so? From my 4th grade Science classes at Our Lady of Lourdes Roman Catholic elementary school in Buffalo New York, all we were taught was that the Sun put there by Almighty God is our primary source of planetary heat. It doesn't require our help, and we are helpless against its heating power.

What else did those Nuns forget to tell me?
 
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Way too much time on your hands pops. Go love your wife, take up golf, find something other than a discussion board and warping reality to feel superior to others as your way to fill time. Aren’t you a die hard man of god? Go help, heal the evil of the world. Jeez

And here’s the thing, if you really wanted to know, I’d be happy to educate you on this issue.....but I’m not a fool, and you’re not honestly asking either.

Get a life

I don't know what else I have to do to honestly convince you I truly want to hear your answer on this. I guess by asking you directly is there an answer, or are you engaging in this subterfuge instead of admitting humans have no ability to heat the planet beyond the Sun's capability?

Which is it?

If we have this capability, why can't you explain how we do it? If we are more powerful than the Sun in terms of heating up the atmosphere, why can't you demonstrate it? This is not a relative question. We either have this capability (to heat the planet beyond the Sun) or we do not.

Which is it?
 
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if you really wanted to know, I’d be happy to educate you on this issue.....but I’m not a fool, and you’re not honestly asking either.

OK...let's break it down to its essential component. How does the Earth currently "heat up"?

Ans: It rotates around the Sun...does it not?

Yes it does.

OK.....

So, if that's how it heats up, can we (humans) stop that? (or substitute for it?)

Yes or No?

If the answer is Yes...then can you please explain how we do this (this would be how we humans heat it up on our own)

If the answer is "NO" we can't stop it from from rotating around the Sun, then YOU are the fool for thinking there is some other way it heats up. (especially by humans)

So which is it?
 
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@Boomboom521 do you see now all you've had for me in this thread are attacks? No answers. No defense of your positions. Not even an attempt to honestly educate or engage. Simply anger that your preordained Leftist thought process is being challenged, and unable or unwilling to defend or explain what you actually believe, you simply attack me for asking/challenging you!

The reason I asked you the questions I did was not to attack your belief system, but to get you to explain it. This is what you folks on the Left have the most difficulty doing. You either refuse to admit to what you believe, or you can't even explain it...not honestly. So you lash out, call names, act insulted, insult, or otherwise do everything except defend what you actually believe!

You all do this on issues of race, economics, science, abortion, whatever the issue is. You can't defend your positions and win your arguments on their merits, and you all get violently angry when challenged to do so. As I mentioned I've had this same type of exchange with @Bulya @CpEER @bamaEER @Original Mountaineer1 @tjebarr and a host of others who pull the exact same stunts when they are challenged to defend their Leftist views.

Name calling, arrogance, derision, put downs, dismissive snide remarks, or flat our refusal to defend their positions or answer to what they actually believe or think. I did this for the rest of the board to see exactly what they are up against blogging with you folks, and hopefully for them to see what a total waste of time it generally turns out to be.

I won't bother you anymore for an honest answer...what for? I know you don't have one, or can't give one.
 
A general question to the Left about "deniers". To you all, man made climate change is real, confirmed Scientific fact...man made ability to change temperatures on the globe is established science and to deny it is to deny science itself correct? Climate deniers as you call them. However, there is another factor scientifically in this question about how the earth is heated that is equally denied at the expense of humans. It's called The Sun.

So, isn't it also a scientifically proven fact that earth is floating through outer space untethered and unregulated by any human being or force? Yet with mathematically timed precision and at exactly and precisely determined apertures of rotation, it's systematically rotating around the Sun which is 93 million miles away from us and manages to heat this planet without our ability to effect it in any way, shape or form?

So what is the biggest denial by the "deniers"?

Human power to heat up the earth, or that we actually have zero power over the Sun & its overwhelming ability to heat up the earth from a distance we can't even physically reach?

One is an absolute denial, and one is absolutely true. Which is the greater denial by the so called "deniers".

A few facts about the Sun...the Earth's nearest Star
  • The Sun accounts for 99.86% of the mass in the solar system. It has a mass of around 330,000 times that of Earth. It is three quarters hydrogen and most of its remaining mass is helium.
  • Over one million Earth’s could fit inside the Sun. If you were to fill a hollow Sun with spherical Earths, somewhere around 960,000 would fit inside. However, if you squashed those Earths to ensure there was no wasted space then you could fit 1,300,000 Earths inside the Sun. The surface area of the Sun is 11,990 times that of Earth.
  • One day the Sun will consume the Earth. The Sun will continue to burn for about 130 million years after it burns through all of its hydrogen, instead burning helium. During this time it will expand to such a size that it will engulf Mercury, Venus, and Earth. When it reaches this point, it will have become a red giant star.
  • The energy created by the Sun’s core is nuclear fusion. This huge amount of energy is produced when four hydrogen nuclei are combined into one helium nucleus.
  • The Sun is almost a perfect sphere. Considering the sheer size of the Sun, there is only a 10 km difference in its polar and equatorial diameters – this makes it the closest thing to a perfect sphere observed in nature.
  • The Sun is travelling at 220 km per second. It is around 24,000-26,000 light-years from the galactic centre and it takes the Sun approximately 225-250 million years to complete one orbit of the centre of the Milky Way.
  • The Sun will eventually be about the size of Earth. Once the Sun has completed its red giant phase, it will collapse. It’s huge mass will be retained, but it will have a volume similar to that of Earth. When that happens, it will be known as a white dwarf.
  • It takes eight minutes for light to reach Earth from the Sun. The average distance from the Sun to the Earth is about 150 million km. Light travels at 300,000 km per second so dividing one by the other gives you 500 seconds – eight minutes and twenty seconds. This energy can reach Earth in mere minutes, but it takes millions of years to travel from the Sun’s core to its surface.
  • The Sun is halfway through its life. At 4.5 billion years old, the Sun has burned off around half of its hydrogen stores and has enough left to continue burning hydrogen for another 5 billion years. Currently the Sun is a yellow dwarf star.
  • The distance between Earth and Sun changes. This is because the Earth travels on a elliptical orbit path around the Sun. The distance between the two ranges from 147 to 152 million km. This distance between them is one Astronomical Unit (AU).
  • The Sun rotates in the opposite direction to Earth with the Sun rotating from west to east instead of east to west like Earth.
  • The Sun rotates more quickly at its equator than it does close to its poles. This is known as differential rotation.
  • The Sun has a powerful magnetic field. When magnetic energy is released by the Sun during magnetic storms, solar flares occur which we see on Earth as sunspots. Sunspots are dark areas on the Sun’s surface caused by magnetic variations. The reason they appear dark is due to their temperature being much lower than surrounding areas.
  • Temperatures inside the Sun can reach 15 million degrees Celsius. Energy is generated through nuclear fusion in the Sun’s core – this is when hydrogen converts to helium – and because objects generally expand, the Sun would explode like an enormous bomb if it wasn’t for it’s tremendous gravitational pull.
  • The Sun generates solar winds. These are ejections of plasma (extremely hot charged particles) that originate in the layer of the Sun know as the corona and they can travel through the solar system at up to 450 km per second.
  • The atmosphere of the Sun is composed of three layers: the photosphere, the chromosphere, and the corona.
  • The Sun is classified as a yellow dwarf star. It is a main sequence star with surface temperatures between 5,000 and 5,700 degrees celsius (9,000 and 10,300 degrees fahrenheit).
  • The Aurora Borealis and Aurora Australis are caused by the interaction of solar winds with Earth’s atmosphere.
Source: https://theplanets.org/the-sun/
 
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