I see that unity in the BIG 12 is an issue for you. Too bad. They said more about that than any other conferences members have-that's for certain. If you don't like that, again, too bad for you. Good for WVU and the rest of the membership.
Could Louisville be lured to the Big 12 from the ACC?
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I see that unity in the BIG 12 is an issue for you. Too bad. They said more about that than any other conferences members have-that's for certain. If you don't like that, again, too bad for you. Good for WVU and the rest of the membership.
When old, wealthy men make decisions about money in board rooms, there's no such thing as unity....but whatever fairytale helps put you to sleep tonight.
I have my law firm read my agreements and advise me what to do. Maybe you've heard of them ' Dewey, Dikum and Howe',
Seems like the best possible scenario for WVU would be Cincinnati and Louisville. Funny how that's not going to happen but there was a time when it certainly could have.
Glad the entire Big12 finally decided to all get on board for the benefit of the conference.
I would love to know who honestly thinks Texas is going to give up The Longhorn Network. Can you imagine what reality those people live in.![[roll]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/roll.r191677.gif "roll [roll]")
Glad the entire Big12 finally decided to all get on board for the benefit of the conference.
I would love to know who honestly thinks Texas is going to give up The Longhorn Network. Can you imagine what reality those people live in.
The Big12's mentality is exactly like Germany's mentality was during WWII.
When the enemy had made it to Berlin Germany realized it was going to lose the war.![[jumpingsmile]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/happy/happy0028.r191677.gif "Jumping Smile [jumpingsmile]")
When the enemy had made it to Berlin Germany realized it was going to lose the war.
Louisville cannot go anywhere for several years. Nor can any other p 5 schools with a GOR. But there are P 5 schools stuck in lower conferences no one wants to schedule for OOC games. Why is that? If you're afraid to play them, maybe they don't belong where they are.
SEC Commissioner Sankey has stated that while expansion is his primary focus at this time, he did not say it was not a concern at all. He has also stated that he wants to complete what Slive started, since he worked for Slive for 18 years. Taking all of that in context suggests that expansion is not the first few items on Sankey's itinerary, but that it is down the list. Saying the SEC isn't looking to expand is simple untrue.
As for the Big Ten expansion being defined as, if they were going to invite someone it would be done is also just as wrong. Expansion requires time and a great deal of paper shuffling, visits, meetings and counter-meetings, checking with many secondarily involved parties and so on. All of the principles have more than one show to run and coordinating such disparate schedules is not quick or easy. The Big Ten will expand when it expands and it can come tomorrow or next year or never. So, tossing out statements like if they were, they would have done it by now, is simply filled with error.
It does not require unanimous approval to dissolve a conference. You are on a roll lately making bombastic statements as though they are fact, when all they seem to be is misguided personal opinion.
Wrong.
The ACC enacted the $50 million exit fee in September 2012 because of rumors that one or more members were shopping their universities to other conferences. Both Maryland and Florida State voted against the increase from 20 to 50 - that went into effect immediately.
On November 20, Maryland announces that they are leaving the ACC for the Big ten and will be a Big Ten member on July 1, 2014.
The ACC approved the GOR on April 22, 2013 and it was stated to have gone into effect immediately. Maryland was disqualified to vote on ACC business since it has formally announced its withdrawal and was in litigation with the ACC. The GOR was in effect over a year by the time UMD exited.
BIG 12 conference bylaws state ONLY disinterested parties may decide something like dissolution of the conference. That means no one trying to leave the conference can try to dissolve the conference so they don't have to pay fees. Unless everyone left, anyone remaining can collect fees from those that left. I haven't made any " bombastic" statements, you must not like the answers but if you look into them rather than listening to Internet buddies you'll see they are correct. The BIG 12 bylaws are online on the BIG 12 site. Look it up and stop lying about me and my posts.
For the uninformed straight from BIG 12 bylaws:
1.5.2 Actions Requiring the Vote of a Majority of Disinterested Directors and a Supermajority
of Disinterested Directors
.
(a)The following actions may be taken only if approved by the affirmative vote of a
Majority of Disinterested Directors (as defined below)
(2)
The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger,sale,or transfer of all or substantially all of the assets of
the Conference;
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/ConferenceHandbook.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410
1.5.2 Actions Requiring the Vote of a Majority of Disinterested Directors and a Supermajority
of Disinterested Directors
.
(a)The following actions may be taken only if approved by the affirmative vote of a
Majority of Disinterested Directors (as defined below)
(2)
The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger,sale,or transfer of all or substantially all of the assets of
the Conference;
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/ConferenceHandbook.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410
Further the laws identify who is a disinterested Director:
1.5.2.2 As used in these Bylaws, the following terms shall apply:
(a)The term “Disinterested Director(s)
” with respect to any issue shall mean
each person who: (i) is then duly qualified and serving as a member of the
Board of Directors pursuant to Sections 1.5.3 and 1.5.4
below; (ii) is the Director representative of a Member that has not Withdrawn and has not
been precluded from voting on the matter in question as a Sanctioned
Member; and (iii) is not an Interested Director (as defined below) with
respect to such issue.
1.5.2.2 As used in these Bylaws, the following terms shall apply:
(a)The term “Disinterested Director(s)
” with respect to any issue shall mean
each person who: (i) is then duly qualified and serving as a member of the
Board of Directors pursuant to Sections 1.5.3 and 1.5.4
below; (ii) is the Director representative of a Member that has not Withdrawn and has not
been precluded from voting on the matter in question as a Sanctioned
Member; and (iii) is not an Interested Director (as defined below) with
respect to such issue.
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What possible reason would Louisville want to come to the Big 12 and what possible reason would the Big 12 want them. Not sure if it would be that much of a financial gain for them all things considered and not sure if they are much better than the UCs or Houstons of the world.
No, I'm 100% right, and you just made my point for me.
Maryland announced it was joining the Big Ten on 11/20/2012. The GOR wasn't enacted until 4/22/2013. Maryland wasn't bound by the GOR, because they never signed it. You pointed out yourself that Maryland was excluded from ACC business after they announced for the Big Ten. You are simply factually incorrect.
I don't think so. BYU and Cincinnati or USF would be fine. Both have metro populations well over 2 million and are willing to spend whatever it takes to join a power 5 conference. It's the Big 12 not 12 minus 1.
Or it could be that some people are like Henny Penny. Henny Penny, more commonly known in the United States as Chicken Little and sometimes as Chicken Licken, is a folk tale with a moral in the form of a tale about a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end.The Big12's mentality is exactly like Germany's mentality was during WWII.
When the enemy had made it to Berlin Germany realized it was going to lose the war.
Missouri started flirting heavily with the Big Ten because of "academics"
Colorado lacking revenues much like Maryland which left the ACC-had previously felt more cultural connection to the west and had large alumni base and saw what they thought would be better financial opportunities and stability out west
Several schools including A&M, OU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Missouri began heavily courting other conferences, making stability at that time very problematic
Colorado moved to the Pac
Nebraska began making overtures to secure their future-the Big Ten listened
The BIG 12 caught wind of Nebraska sniffing around and gave them an ultimatum-jump or sign on--they got the Big Ten to move to add them
Negotiations out west stalled
A&M grew tired of negotiations out west and began talking with the SEC instead seeing that as the best opportunity.
Missouri saw total instability and saw their chances for the Big Ten went away with Nebraska, so began discussions with the SEC which needed a 14th
A&M left
Missouri left
None of that is related to Texas in 2016 working with the conference to move ahead on a BIG 12 network
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The point is, Texas has a history of not playing well with others. They have ran off 5 flagship universities from their conferences in the last 25 years. I see no reason to believe history won't repeat itself, with OU hitting the road.
If any of the other Big 12 schools had options, they'd be right behind.
I wonder if they had it to do all over again if Nebraska and Colorado would still go. I think Mizzou and A&M would have left for the SEC. OU better think long and hard as to whether they are going to end up in a better place.
of course they would. Especially Nebraska. They are a better fit in the big 10. They make more money. Colorado? Pretty much a lateral move.
Meh. I don't know about that. They're still a cellar dweller, but have more money, but now have (potential) longer road trips. I think it's a little south of lateral.
Missouri knows they don't belong in the SEC and wanted desperately to be in the B1G. If only that invite would have come, we'd possibly be in the SEC East and feeling the same way we do now with regards to our place in the conference.
Nebraska makes less now than BIG 12 schools and won't catch up for some years yet.
The funny thing is IF Louisville left the ACC for the Big 12, there would be a vocal faction on this board wanting WVU to fill the vacant ACC slot.
lmao so true! Furfari and everyone would be pining for us to swap out and join the ACC
Luring Louisville into the B12?
Is the B12 suddenly the creepy van guy passing out candy to kids at the playground?
Is the B12 suddenly the creepy van guy passing out candy to kids at the playground?
I remember when Baylor was making a big stink and threatening to sue had OU and UT tried to bolt. This was right after Nebraska made the jump to the B1G. Was hearing all about the drama while I lived in Nebraska a handful of years ago.
I remember that, it was before their was a GOR but I do recall the drama. If that had happened, Baylor would have gotten some cash and OU/UT would still have split.
