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NC votes this week... #13

 

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[Brushy Bill]

They need to get together and divvy up the land and divorce, before armed conflict is required to do so.

 

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[DvlDog4WVU]

So where do we stand? How close to a convention are we? What still needs to occur?

 

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North Carolina votes to be # 13 this week...

5 joined this year...

need 34 to accomplish anything...

 

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[Popeer]

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Pffft. The Framers of the Constitution didn't trust the average citizen - they were as elitist as they come. Why do you think we have the Electoral College? Why do you think Senators were elected by state legislatures until the 17th Amendment was ratified?

 

[PriddyBoy]

The Framers of the Constitution didn't trust the average citizen

Did the Framers wring their hands over the prospect of a Convention? If so, why did they put Article 5 in the Constitution? Griffen Bell was old, but he wasn't Founding Father old.

 

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[Popeer]

Did the Framers wring their hands over the prospect of a Convention? If so, why did they put Article 5 in the Constitution? Griffen Bell was old, but he wasn't Founding Father old.

You're mixing your issues. Article V was put in for the same reason the Electoral College was created, to give the states input into government. It had nothing to do with trust in the average citizen, because the average citizen couldn't vote, and all the major decisions were to be made by elites selected for the purpose - the legislatures. But Alexander Hamilton would be shocked and horrified at how wrong he was when he predicted that thanks to the Electoral College "the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

 

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You're mixing your issues. Article V was put in for the same reason the Electoral College was created, to give the states input into government. It had nothing to do with trust in the average citizen, because the average citizen couldn't vote, and all the major decisions were to be made by elites selected for the purpose - the legislatures. But Alexander Hamilton would be shocked and horrified at how wrong he was when he predicted that thanks to the Electoral College "the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

I thought the College was established so the cities' masses would not hold sway in Federal politics over the people who fed them (Readers Digest version.) Your Hamilton quote "the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications" is a matter of interpretation 230 year later and probably was in 1786 also. "Requisite qualifications?" Congress is splattered with people that can't find their own ass with both hands. Qualified Elitists have been in charge and many of them want to abandon the American Dream and transfer power from The People to Centralized Government, hence the calls by many for invoking Article 5. IMO, US Leadership Is and Should be elites when they have enough trust to be elected, but they should conduct themselves accordingly. Time for Bernie, Liz, McCain, Graham, et. al. to step away from the trough.

Alas, we Americans, en masse, don't seem to have much wherewithal when it comes to ousting incumbents. I think we're at a tipping point. While a tad uncomfortable, these are interesting times and I'm glad to be here (especially here in the US) to witness.

 

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