Can Saban Accomplish Any More at Alabama?

[ColoradoMountaineer]

if you could provide facts, that would be great. Mark dantonio isn't half the coach Saban is? What is this based on? Proof? And what does he have to do with the topic? Irrelevant. Although Saban has publicly stated, "He's done a much better job there than I ever did" (in reference to Michigan state). For someone who continuously demands facts, you don't provide any. Your homework today is, learn the difference between opinion versus fact. Just stay down on the ground. Lol

Anyone who thinks Saban couldn't do better than holgorson at wvu is a fool and that is a fact

 

[pic369]

hows this for evidence?

Nick Saban at Michigan state over 5 years; 34-24. An average of 6 wins per year.

Dana Holgorsen at WVU over 5 years; 36-28. An average of 7 wins per year.

Now, I'm not saying Dana is better. We don't know that. However outside of coaching blue bloods like LSU and Alabama, Saban has similar results at slightly better program (Michigan state) than WVU.

Now...can you spell Saban?

Listen, you have the numbers to back up your point. However, when Saban coached teams only played 11 games per season, not 12. That's why there are 6 games less total. Now on those 12th games, especially during his time there, the team would have scheduled 1-AA opponents to pad the win column, so it is far more likely given the same number of games scheduled that Saban's record there would have AT LEAST been 38-25, if not 39-24, which is good for 3.5 above Holgorsen. Now I have no idea how strong the Big 10 was then compared to the Big 12 now, but Holgorsen did have one "cupcake" Big East season, which is where 9 of his wins (won't count Clemson as that one was quality) came from.

And even if your argument on win/loss record alone had merit, you're talking about what a no-name coach did at Michigan St. vs what a 5-time national champion coach could do at WVU. His name and accomplishments alone would vault WVU into the top 10 recruit ranking list year in and year out.

 

[TruWVblu]

that is likely true. After all, Bowden had to sell WVU to recruits with that dump of old mountaineer field. Give Bowden brand new mountaineer field to start his career and he does better than Nehlen. Btw, Nehlen built his program by going to warm weather and palm trees in Florida. Or should I say, doc Holliday did.

Like it or not, Nehlen built the program we all know and love today. By the way, Bowden did not use the excuse of an old stadium. He just knew that it was much more difficult to get kids to come to the mountains of WV than it was to the sun and palm tress of Florida. And spin it any way you like, but Nehlen hired those coaches that went to Florida and got those players. Here is an excuse for you. If Nehlen would have gotten paid even close to the money we pay a coach now and if he could have paid his assistant coaches a better salary, there is no telling how far he could have taken this program.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Listen, you have the numbers to back up your point. However, when Saban coached teams only played 11 games per season, not 12. That's why there are 6 games less total. Now on those 12th games, especially during his time there, the team would have scheduled 1-AA opponents to pad the win column, so it is far more likely given the same number of games scheduled that Saban's record there would have AT LEAST been 38-25, if not 39-24, which is good for 3.5 above Holgorsen. Now I have no idea how strong the Big 10 was then compared to the Big 12 now, but Holgorsen did have one "cupcake" Big East season, which is where 9 of his wins (won't count Clemson as that one was quality) came from.

And even if your argument on win/loss record alone had merit, you're talking about what a no-name coach did at Michigan St. vs what a 5-time national champion coach could do at WVU. His name and accomplishments alone would vault WVU into the top 10 recruit ranking list year in and year out.

the point was never, "Dana is better". The point was, the average win total over the same period at similar programs. Even if you use your fantasy numbers of 39 wins, that's still equal to 7 wins per year. Which is what I said he would do at WVU; 7-9 wins a year. Same as Dana.

And no, WVU would not be top 10 recruiting with Saban. We just aren't that type of program. Huggins can't even get us top 10. Sorry but a lot of his recruiting prowess is because of Alabama.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Like it or not, Nehlen built the program we all know and love today. By the way, Bowden did not use the excuse of an old stadium. He just knew that it was much more difficult to get kids to come to the mountains of WV than it was to the sun and palm tress of Florida. And spin it any way you like, but Nehlen hired those coaches that went to Florida and got those players. Here is an excuse for you. If Nehlen would have gotten paid even close to the money we pay a coach now and if he could have paid his assistant coaches a better salary, there is no telling how far he could have taken this program.

good lord, just go away. I wasn't talking to you. Nobody asked you to join this thread preaching your nonsense.

 

[pic369]

the point was never, "Dana is better". The point was, the average win total over the same period at similar programs. Even if you use your fantasy numbers of 39 wins, that's still equal to 7 wins per year. Which is what I said he would do at WVU; 7-9 wins a year. Same as Dana.

And no, WVU would not be top 10 recruiting with Saban. We just aren't that type of program. Huggins can't even get us top 10. Sorry but a lot of his recruiting prowess is because of Alabama.

Alabama is a big draw. So is a coach with 5 national championships under his belt and NFL coaching experience. Don't forget this guy won a title BEFORE Alabama and they paid him a ton of money to come. He was the most coveted coach in college football BEFORE he came to that school, and they made him the highest paid. If they recognize how much he turned their mediocre program around, don't think for a second recruits don't know it too. Am I saying the recruiting would be the same? Of course not. But a guy who can shake your hand with a ring on every finger will get a lot more 4 and 5 star guys than you realize.

And to your point on Huggins, who is one of the top 10-20 coaches of all time, he's never won a national championship, let alone 5. Bring in coach K or Calipari (and I am not saying they're better coaches) and watch as recruiting skyrockets.

 

[bamaEER]

What do you think his next move might be? Stay and possibly be run out of town like Les Miles, join the pro ranks or just maybe take another coaching challenge? Of course if he likes his odds of winning he is in a good place.

Good coaches don't leave Tuscaloosa....ever. Like the line from Hotel California "you can check out but you can never leave". Bama alumni will keep him there.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I'm guessing some of you would say Bear Bryant was lucky at Alabama and couldn't do better than Dana at WVU. Too bad an IQ test isn't required to post on this board.

Brother is far better coach than Dana. As they said about Bear, "He could take your'ns and give you his'ns and still beat you."

Bob Huggins is a better coach than Dana. Huggins is one of the 10 best basketball coaches in America. And he was willing to chew out the guy who was point-stomping Kansas in front of 12,090 people in WVU Coliseum and many more on TV because he stopped to trash talk a Kansas player instead of getting down the floor to play defense. THAT was a fabulous coaching moment.

If the players will just listen to Huggins instead of their off-court instincts, this could be a magical season for the Mountaineers!

CUYAHOGA FALLS EERS

 

[TexasforevEER]

Anyone who thinks Saban couldn't do better than holgorson at wvu is a fool and that is a fact

That kind of talk is unnecessary. And that is a fact! Warez

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

That kind of talk is unnecessary. And that is a fact! Warez

Did you run out of Dead poets and writers to plagiarize

 

[TexasforevEER]

Did you run out of Dead poets and writers to plagiarize

In this case I was plagiarizing the Holy book. Warez