What do you think his next move might be? Stay and possibly be run out of town like Les Miles, join the pro ranks or just maybe take another coaching challenge? Of course if he likes his odds of winning he is in a good place.
Can Saban Accomplish Any More at Alabama?
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Only guarantee is I would bet he'll get a raise AGAIN by threatening (alluding to the fact) through his agent no super agent Jimmy Sexton that other places want his services. Be it the NY Giants, SF 49ers, Cleveland, etc or another college job say the one in AustinTX since it's worked so well in seasons where he did NOT even play for the Title that he's now won 5 times in his last 9 seasons of college coaching..
Bottom line is in 2007, after his first 6-6 season or was it a 7-6 season, I think he could have been in the 26505 had WVU ponied up like $3-4 million annually. He was spotted on campus for some reason, and I doubt it was to check out the IPF. Of course he'd have been out of here after 2 years max for the next job. Jimmy Sexton knows how to get the raises for every client he has.
Bottom line is in 2007, after his first 6-6 season or was it a 7-6 season, I think he could have been in the 26505 had WVU ponied up like $3-4 million annually. He was spotted on campus for some reason, and I doubt it was to check out the IPF. Of course he'd have been out of here after 2 years max for the next job. Jimmy Sexton knows how to get the raises for every client he has.
he wld likely win 8-9 games a year at WVU. He didn't exactly light it up at Michigan state. He wouldn't get the #1 recruiting class every year or any year at WVU if he were here.
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While he likely would not have quite the success he has experienced at Alabama, he would certainly win more games at WVU than Holgorsen. Why? Because he is a much better coach.
you don't know that. I don't know that. Time and change in scenery may prove or disprove that.
If Saban wanted to coach at WVU he would have. He ISN'T. and he isn't going to.
WVU does have a coach-one that coaches WVU in football and wants to be there. Just won 8 games and a bowl and is working to be better next year.
WVU does have a coach-one that coaches WVU in football and wants to be there. Just won 8 games and a bowl and is working to be better next year.
Comparing Saben to Holgorson is pathetic. Saben is a hall of fame coach he couldn't win 4 national championships in a 7 year span at wvu but im sure he'd far exceed holgorson's win total. Saben wouldn't be losing to teams like Kansas state who have inferior talent and he wouldn't let teams like TCU who recruit at the same level as WVU come into Morgantown and beat us. This is more proof of your ignorance. If Holgorson was at Alabama they would have run him at of town especially for running a qb with a bum ankle on a 4th and 1
Saben took over a Michigan state program that had to forfeit 5 games in 1994 due to grade tampering. In his final season in 1999 they went 9-2 and beat Florida in the citrus bowl. In the 2000 NFL draft there where 7 players drafted off Saben's 1999 team including two 1st rounders more proof you have no idea of what your talking about. comparing Saben to Holgorson what a joke
whats more pathetic? Your moronic posts or your failure to know Alabama's coaches name? It's Saban idiot lol
mouth breather, you should learn to read. It's not your strong suit. Especially reading comprehension. And you don't know what you're talking. Nothing but your opinions. No facts. You don't know how Saban would do here. Likely 8-9 wins. Same as Michigan state or worse. And I never compared Saban to Dana you nitwit.
Fool if you don't think Saban could better than Holgorson than your clueless. Look what saban walked into at Michigan State. Look what he left them 9-2 and 7 players drafted in the 2000 draft. Its obvious you don't know how to do research you pill popping Drug Divertor.
Says the guy who continually fails to provide any evidence of his drug induced fantasies
hows this for evidence?
Nick Saban at Michigan state over 5 years; 34-24. An average of 6 wins per year.
Dana Holgorsen at WVU over 5 years; 36-28. An average of 7 wins per year.
Now, I'm not saying Dana is better. We don't know that. However outside of coaching blue bloods like LSU and Alabama, Saban has similar results at slightly better program (Michigan state) than WVU.
Now...can you spell Saban?
You seem to overlook what Saban walked into at Michigan State the program was in disarray they had to forfeit 5 games due to grade tampering. He walked into a program under a cloud and when he left the program they were poised to compete for a big 10 title. If Saban would have stayed at Michigan State im sure they would have won a national title within 3 years. If Saben was at wvu He would have us playing snot football and we would be physically dominating the majority of these physically weak overrated teams that we play weak in and weak out. Dana walked into a much better situation at wvu than Saban walked into at Michigan state and he can't even beat a former mountain west team at home pretty pathetic. Any team in america would want Saban i doubt holgorson would get any interest if he got Kicked to the curb. FYI he was never considered by Miami
apparently you don't know what Holgorsen walked into at WVU after what Stewart left the program. Scholarship numbers in the 60's ring a bell? Lol. Once again you provide your opinions instead of facts. Let me repeat, you do not know how SABAN would do at WVU. Evidence shows at a similar program as WVU, he produced similar records. Actually slightly worse.
I think Saban will continue as Alabama's Head Coach until he retires. He will stay and become Legendary. Leaving behind a Iconic Legacy matching other Iconic Coaches like Knute Rockne, Bear Bryant or Woody Hayes. IMO
i agree completely. Unless he is done with college football and wants another shot at the NFL, he would be a fool to leave that dynasty he has built. If he retired today, he would go down as arguably the greatest coach ever. It's bear Bryant, Saban, John McKay, and frank leahy at the top. 2 of the 4 from WV. Amazing.
Saban would win 10 games on most years at Wvu. Saban would not blow games with incompetent play calling and clock management. Its pretty clear why the wvu admin wanted Holgorson to hire and OC i just hope this guy can teach Holgorson clock management 101. You keep going about Stewart and scholarships when fact is Holgorson has done no better in retaining players. I suggest you look at the current situation and buy that abacus to help you with the math
I care. I pull for Saban because he is West Virginian, and it is still good for our state.
i suggest you learn fact versus opinion. You offer opinion. You do not know if Saban would win 10 games or not. Once again, evidence shows Saban won 6 games per year over his 5 years at a slightly better but similar program (Michigan State) as WVU.
As for hiring Wickline at WVU. He was brought in to bring an extra pair of eyes from the box to help Dana. Dana will still call the plays. It's pretty similar to Calvin Magee when Rodriguez was here.
Can you spell Saban yet?
In year 5 Saban had Michigan State going 9-2 and winning the citrus bowl against Florida. In the 2000 NFL draft 7 players where drafted in the NFL from that team If you think That Saban wouldn't have Wvu winning more than 7 regular season games in a physically weak football conference in year 5 then you have no clue of what your talking about. Have you learned how to count yet? You seem to have problems with math in relation to scholarships
ok he won 9 games his 5th year. He won 6 games 3 times and 7 games once in his other 4 years. An average of 6 wins. Not awe inspiring. Those are facts. You do not know or have anything to suggest he would win 10 games at WVU. And once again you give a flawed opinion about the big 12 being weak. Just stay down on the floor. Lol
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I love the argument that Alabama is the reason for the top recruiting classes and not Saban. Guess some people forget the shape Alabama was in between Stallings and Saban. Guy is arguably the greatest college football coach of all time and would win anywhere including WVU because kids want to play for HIM no matter where he is. And who cares how many he won at Michigan State he resurrected that program, built LSU into what it is today, and is 191-60 with 5 national Championships. I hate when people poo poo someone else because they don't coach at WVU. What's the point of this thread? Don't know really but anyone who thinks Saban wouldn't turn WVU into a powerhouse is out of their minds.
Saban took over a Mich State program in 1995 that hadn't won at least 8 games since 1990 and was under a cloud for grade tampering. He turned the program around and in his final season went 9-2. If Saban was at wvu he would be able to recruit the John Thortons, John Browning and Bruce Irwins to come play defense for him. The situation he inherited was much more difficult than what holgorson had to deal with you can Huff and Puff all you want about scholarships but fact is where going into year 6 and the numbers are not great and that falls on holgorson deal with it. In regards to the big 12. The Conference is not as tough as you claim the overall Bowl record is not stellar since we have been members and is not easily the 2nd best conference after the sec as you have said. Saban would win at wvu and his win total would easily surpass holgorson annual 7-5 regular seasons.
once again, your opinions. Not facts. Facts are, Dana won 10 games his first year, 8 games his 5th year. He is 2-2 in bowl games with a BCS win. He averages 7 wins per year. Facts are Saban struggled to win at a similar, but slightly better program at Michigan state. He averaged 6 wins per year in his 5 years. Saban 34-24-1 at MSU. Dana 36-28 at WVU. Dana averages 7 wins per year in his 5 years. Both have the same 5 years to compare. Both walked into bad situations. And both coached in premier P5 conferences. Those are facts that suggest Saban likely would have the same success at WVU that Holgorsen has had. Likely 7-9 wins per year. Now huff and puff, stomp your feet. Facts are facts.
Once again a foolish response. Dana walked into a bad situation is nothing but hog wash and your opinion. The fact is Saban is a hall of fame coach and Holgorson is not. If you seriously think that Saban wouldn't achieve greater success than Holgorson at wvu then you truly are a fool
Is there really a debate right now about how Saban and Holgerson are not that different as head coaches? I'm assuming its with someone on my ignore list, but this sounds like madness. So Saban only has 4 national titles because of the Alabama. Apparently anyone can just win titles at Alabama ... except the ones that didn't before Saban showed up? Or is Saban from his MSU days the same coach as the one that is out there today? I don't see how anyone stating that either Holgerson is as good a coach as Saban or that Saban couldn't do much better in Holgerson's shoes can be taken seriously.
Punisn -eer seems to claim that Saban wouldn't do much better if any than holgorson
only a fool would assume he could based on the evidence provided in a 5 year window at Michigan state. Evidence shows it's more likely he would achieve similar results as Holgorsen at WVU. And it would show that 7-9 wins at WVU is successful and on par with this program. Place Saban and WVU in the old/new big east and he probably would get your 10-12 wins. Until you guys accept the strength of the big 12 and the caliber of program WVU actually is, you will never get it. WVU is a solid program. We are not Alabama.
We are not Alabama but Holgorson is not Nick Saban. You keep trying to pull this weak mich State argument. Saban left Mich State in a position to compete for big 10 championships in 5 years and im sure he would do the same in the Big 12 considering TCU is already doing it and they came from the Mountain west and traditionally have recruiting classes in the mid 30's. You comparing Saban to Holgorson has reached a new depth of stupidity
oh really? Saban had ONE good season at Michigan state in 5 years. Averaging 6 wins a year and you talk like he was ready to win a national title because he won 9 games his last year lol. Saban himself has stated he, "couldn't get it done at Michigan state". He had major problems recruiting because "UM ruled Michigan. OSU ruled ohio. Purdue ruled Indiana (guess he forgot Notre dame is there lol)". He wanted to be "#1 when he walked in a recruits house". Similarly, his problem would be the same at WVU and even worse because West Virginia has no instate talent at all. You should just give up now. You look foolish.
Saban left Mich State for LSU because its a better paying job. Mich state current coach has them competing for Big 10 titles and if you happened to notice they where in the playoff this year. Mark D isn't half the coach Saban is. Saban won a national title his 4th year at LSU and he took over a program that had won only 6 games combined the previous 2 seasons. If Saban where to coach at wvu he would be doing much better than 7-5 in year 5. Saban also said while he was coach of the dolphins that he wasn't going to be the coach at Alabama. There is only one other coach in College football that can be named in the same sentence with Saban and his last name is meyer. You ignorance blinds you
if you could provide facts, that would be great. Mark dantonio isn't half the coach Saban is? What is this based on? Proof? And what does he have to do with the topic? Irrelevant. Although Saban has publicly stated, "He's done a much better job there than I ever did" (in reference to Michigan state). For someone who continuously demands facts, you don't provide any. Your homework today is, learn the difference between opinion versus fact. Just stay down on the ground. Lol
Bobby Bowden once said something very similar about Don Nehlen. He said that Don Nehlen was a much better recruiter and coach for WVU than he was, and got much better players to go to WVU than he could. He said he had to go to warm weather and palm trees to get good players.
that is likely true. After all, Bowden had to sell WVU to recruits with that dump of old mountaineer field. Give Bowden brand new mountaineer field to start his career and he does better than Nehlen. Btw, Nehlen built his program by going to warm weather and palm trees in Florida. Or should I say, doc Holliday did.
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