But the Big 12 doesn't have a championship game, guys!

[bEER_Nation13]

Obviously, the conference championship game is now worthless. What an incompetent group of hypocritical jackasses running the show.

They keep changing things, whatever it takes to get the teams they want in the playoff. It's a joke, it really is.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

You finally figured it out. The College Football Pretzel Committee decides which 4 teams it wants, then changes the rules for each team so that they team qualifies for the 1 of the 4 spots.

Big 12 got snookered into setting up a championship game when every team already plays every other team, the only Power 5 conference to do that. The Big 12 has it right. The other 4 have it wrong. So penalize the guys who did it right by having everyone play everyone.

Then justify putting the THIRD place team in a conference in the Final Four and leave out #2 and #3 in that conference. Makes sense? Yeah, right!


M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20

E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28

R ebounded big time on offense and defense at Iowa State, 49-19

S cuttle Baylor

 

[KeatonsCorner]

If you allow yourself to look at their entire body work.......objectively......it's clear OSU is the best team in the B10 and one of the Playoff teams

 

[bEER_Nation13]

NCAA Football is a complete farce.

Every other collegiate sport, winning your conference earns you a bid to play for national championship besides football. Sure, there is a March Madness committee and a committee for NCAA baseball tournament, but winning your conference equals automatic bid. Not football though. Why is that? It's a complete farce. Nothing more, nothing less. There is zero credibility. And then the word "playoffs", they have the audacity to call it that. LMAO

 

[dave]

If you allow yourself to look at their entire body work.......objectively......it's clear OSU is the best team in the B10 and one of the Playoff teams

That didnt matter when TCU was clearly the best team in the Big12 and a playoff team.

 

[WVUALLEN]

If you allow yourself to look at their entire body work.......objectively......it's clear OSU is the best team in the B10 and one of the Playoff teams

What if it were Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland? I don't think the same rules would apply. Sure Ohio State played a so called good body of work. But how did they do this? The committee ranked the teams they played at high level even the 3 loss teams. What happens if Clemson loses or Washington? Do they bump Michigan up? A team that has lost 2 of their last 3.

CFP is a sham. There should be a new system.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

NCAA Football is a complete farce.

Every other collegiate sport, winning your conference earns you a bid to play for national championship besides football. Sure, there is a March Madness committee and a committee for NCAA baseball tournament, but winning your conference equals automatic bid. Not football though. Why is that? It's a complete farce. Nothing more, nothing less. There is zero credibility. And then the word "playoffs", they have the audacity to call it that. LMAO

Number 1 - the NCAA has nothing to do with the playoff.
Number 2 - no matter how you look at it 11-1 is better than 10-2. And Ohio State has played a tougher schedule.
Number 3 - it is the 4 best teams not the 4 best conference champions.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Two years ago it was 13 makes the difference. It's a flawed system.

 

[xgunnx]

Until there is a actual playoff similar to the NFL playoff system. The NCAA Football National Championship will always be considered a farce. IMO

 

[Buckaineer]

complete sham rigged system.

If Ohio State can't win their conference, how can they be one of the top four?
WVU has two losses to ranked teams, while PSU, Wisconsin and others do not--they are ranked to be in contention for the playoff AND NY6 bowls. WVU? ranked 16th behind 3 loss teams.

Total and complete SHAM

 

[WVUFanForever]

Without expansion and divisions....the Big XII title game is a sham too...

So Oklahoma wins this week...and OSU wins next week....whats the point?

 

[Pitt4Life34]

If you allow yourself to look at their entire body work.......objectively......it's clear OSU is the best team in the B10 and one of the Playoff teams

Assuming you're joking. Big12 get no respect and probably doesn't deserve much.

 

[Buster68]

The cfp will never be settled on the field until it goes to an eight team playoff that includes the 5 power conference champions and the next best three. Even then there will be unhappy fans but you can't make all the people happy all the time.

 

[MichiganHerd]

So Oklahoma wins this week...and OSU wins next week....whats the point?

You actually make a great point here. OU and OSU already have the #1/#2 seeds wrapped up, and would have played in the Big 12 championship game. Assuming the conference championship game winner made it to the playoff (auto-bid), could you imagine what kind of game they would have played against one another during the regular season finale, knowing the game against one another the following week would have been the only one that truly mattered? I'm guessing you would have seen both teams hold out starters to insure no injuries, as well as not showing the other team 'what they got' during a game that didn't matter.

 

[VaultHunter]

You actually make a great point here. OU and OSU already have the #1/#2 seeds wrapped up, and would have played in the Big 12 championship game. Assuming the conference championship game winner made it to the playoff (auto-bid), could you imagine what kind of game they would have played against one another during the regular season finale, knowing the game against one another the following week would have been the only one that truly mattered? I'm guessing you would have seen both teams hold out starters to insure no injuries, as well as not showing the other team 'what they got' during a game that didn't matter.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say

1. They aren't playing each other again a week after
2. I think it might be possible they don't schedule Bedlam during the last week of the season after this year to assure that situation doesn't happen.

Call me crazy I know

 

[steeleer]

You set up a series of criteria and you stick with it. This farce doesn't do that. If there was some semblance of a train of logic from year to year, you would have a lot less outrage.

The problem is that being consistent makes trying to plant certain teams in the CFP difficult....so why even put up the facade of objectivity?

 

[countryroads89]

If you allow yourself to look at their entire body work.......objectively......it's clear OSU is the best team in the B10 and one of the Playoff teams

Let's do.

They beat a 6-6 team by 4 points at home.
They lost to a two-loss team.
They beat a 3-9 team by one point (and only because the other team missed a two-point conversion).

It's not clear to me.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

That didnt matter when TCU was clearly the best team in the Big12 and a playoff team.

It did, considering the field............... TCU was 11-1 on a schedule that featured 3 ranked opponents by the selection week (week 16). That was Baylor and KSU. They also played a powder-soft OOC in SMU, 'Sota, and Samford............ Samford.

Meanwhile, the 4th team in, tOSU won 12 straight games after dropping the season opener. They beat 3 top 25 ranked opponents in the same week 16 ranking ('Sota, Wisky, MSU). They also played a tougher OOC in VT, Navy, Cinci and Kent State

At the end of the day...................... Samford................... that did in TCU.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

You set up a series of criteria and you stick with it. This farce doesn't do that. If there was some semblance of a train of logic from year to year, you would have a lot less outrage.

The problem is that being consistent makes trying to plant certain teams in the CFP difficult....so why even put up the facade of objectivity?

To establish a single set of guidelines is to completely ignore that a committee exists to make the decision. Same as basketball. The committee examines the situation, year after year, independently of how they made the decisions in the prior years... no season is the same.

Stop treating it like a teacher grading tests for a class.................... no team took the same route to get where they are right now.

 

[countryroads89]

It did, considering the field............... TCU was 11-1 on a schedule that featured 3 ranked opponents by the selection week (week 16). That was Baylor and KSU. They also played a powder-soft OOC in SMU, 'Sota, and Samford............ Samford.

Meanwhile, the 4th team in, tOSU won 12 straight games after dropping the season opener. They beat 3 top 25 ranked opponents in the same week 16 ranking ('Sota, Wisky, MSU). They also played a tougher OOC in VT, Navy, Cinci and Kent State

At the end of the day...................... Samford................... that did in TCU.

Did you seriously just use the same team, Minnesota, to support TCU's "soft" schedule and turn around and use them to argue osu's tough schedule?

TCU's one loss was by 3 points on the road to the #5 team in the country.
osu's one loss was at home to an unranked team by 14 points.

I love your logic.

 

[steeleer]

I'll go a step further

To establish a single set of guidelines is to completely ignore that a committee exists to make the decision. Same as basketball. The committee examines the situation, year after year, independently of how they made the decisions in the prior years... no season is the same.

Stop treating it like a teacher grading tests for a class.................... no team took the same route to get where they are right now.

And you don't understand that when the humans have an agenda (and they absolutely do) then they can't be part of the formula.

When the NCAA BBall tourney goes on, you might hear about a team being "left out." But I would say the average person would agree that at least 90% of the time they have gotten it right. I have no such faith in this committee. You fix it one of two ways...

1) remove humans
2) expand the field

The alternative of "as is" will only harm the sport. If "joe fan" feels the fix is in, they won't watch. Sounds crazy? Who would have thought that the NFL would ever have a TV rating issue (for different reasons of course).

 

[steeleer]

Did you seriously just use the same team, Minnesota, to support TCU's "soft" schedule and turn around and use them to argue osu's tough schedule?

TCU's one loss was by 3 points on the road to the #5 team in the country.
osu's one loss was at home to an unranked team by 14 points.

I love your logic.

Don't argue with him. He's real smart.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

The cfp will never be settled on the field until it goes to an eight team playoff that includes the 5 power conference champions and the next best three. Even then there will be unhappy fans but you can't make all the people happy all the time.

I heard SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey asked about this on the radio yesterday. Absolutely no plans or requests from any conference to expand the CFP to eight teams.

Of course that will change when the SEC is the conference on the outside looking in.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Did you seriously just use the same team, Minnesota, to support TCU's "soft" schedule and turn around and use them to argue osu's tough schedule?

TCU's one loss was by 3 points on the road to the #5 team in the country.
osu's one loss was at home to an unranked team by 14 points.

I love your logic.

Samford.............. SMU.............. the proportion of how a team loses does not matter. A Win is a Win and a Loss is a Loss in the committee's eyes................ tOSU won 12 straight games and was the "hottest" team in college football at the time of the selection process. TCU didn't challenge themselves in the OOC. They paid for it. I mean SMU won 1 game that season.............. and did I mention Samford?

tOSU's OOC opponents were a combine 23-23 on Selection Day in 2014. TCU? 16-20 including an FCS team who recorded 7 of those wins.

but by all means, continue to sport that tinfoil helmet................ life must be tough, with everyone out to get ya

 

[topdecktiger]

Sure, there is a March Madness committee and a committee for NCAA baseball tournament, but winning your conference equals automatic bid. Not football though. Why is that?

Because football doesn't have enough games. If football played 30-40 games in a year, and had 60+ teams in a tournament, they could do it too.

That didnt matter when TCU was clearly the best team in the Big12 and a playoff team.

The problem is, it's not just about being the best team in the Big 12. You have to be better than the other 4 teams that got in also.

You set up a series of criteria and you stick with it.

They did. The explanation for Ohio St is that they have tougher SOS and beat more ranked teams. The explanation for TCU is they had a weaker SOS, and didn't beat as many ranked teams.

 

[countryroads89]

They did. The explanation for Ohio St is that they have tougher SOS and beat more ranked teams. The explanation for TCU is they had a weaker SOS, and didn't beat as many ranked teams.

But ohio state didn't. ohio state beat 3 ranked teams (#8, #25 #13). TCU beat 4 ranked teams (#4, #15, #20, #7).

DOH!

 

[KeatonsCorner]

But ohio state didn't. ohio state beat 3 ranked teams (#8, #25 #13). TCU beat 4 ranked teams (#4, #15, #20, #7).

DOH!

Yea, that's not accurate.

 

[bEER_Nation13]

Because football doesn't have enough games. If football played 30-40 games in a year, and had 60+ teams in a tournament, they could do it too.



The problem is, it's not just about being the best team in the Big 12. You have to be better than the other 4 teams that got in also.



They did. The explanation for Ohio St is that they have tougher SOS and beat more ranked teams. The explanation for TCU is they had a weaker SOS, and didn't beat as many ranked teams.

The number of games is completely irrelevant. How about winning your conference equals automatic bid like every other ****ing collegiate sport. And pro sports. Winning your division equals spot in playoffs. Real playoffs, concrete playoffs. Not some ESPN committee deciding who is in and who is out. Real playoffs eliminate subjectivity.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Anyone who thinks the Barry Alvarez Committee's selection process isn't flawed hasn't been paying attention. First, the committee inflates the rankings of Ohio State's opponents, then uses that to make the Buckeyes #2 in the country even though they are #3 in the Big 10. If Ohio State is #2, then Penn State and Wisconsin should be #1 and #1+.

The system is so flawed that even a blind man can see it. Note that no one is saying that the Big 12 should have a team in it this year, although the criteria used for Ohio State this year would have put TCU in a few years ago.

The College Playoff Pretzel Committee's thinking is like quicksand. No matter where you step, you sink, unless you're pre-determined teams.

Ohio State easily could be 7-5 right now, when those games were in their final minute. And yet they are #2? Yeah, right. I'll have whatever the CFP committee is smoking.

These guys set up flawed rankings, then point to the flawed rankings to justify their Final Four selections. Why not just announce the Final Four before the season starts so that everyone else can plan on going elsewhere to a bowl no matter what their record is?


M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20

E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28

R ebounded big time on offense and defense at Iowa State, 49-19

S cuttle Baylor

 

[palencia]

Obviously, the conference championship game is now worthless. What an incompetent group of hypocritical jackasses running the show.

They keep changing things, whatever it takes to get the teams they want in the playoff. It's a joke, it really is.

This week is very telling, because it seems to be "dressing
the pig" for BIG and secondly, Pac. Keeping WV low
give appearance of diluting Ok strength of Schedule, and
that of the league. There are only 6 of the top 10 teams that
have a SOS better than WV, according to Sagarin. Dog
shit teams from 11 to 17 lose and hardly move down,
especially the SEC East, which is a joke.

 

[countryroads89]

Yea, that's not accurate.

Just looked it up, ESPN web site.

It's OK little fellar.

So, you lost the argument that their (osu vs TCU) loss wasn't worse and their wins weren't better.

I think the playoff committee might be giving you a call. Sounds like you're their man.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Just looked it up, ESPN web site.

It's OK little fellar.

So, you lost the argument that their (osu vs TCU) loss wasn't worse and their wins weren't better.

I think the playoff committee might be giving you a call. Sounds like you're their man.

I posted this already in the thread. In 2014, TCU beat 2 teams ranked at the end of the regular season when the selection was made (KSU, 'Sota)

LINK

In 2014, tOSU beat 3 teams that were ranked at the end of the regular season when the selection was made ('Sota, MSU, Wisky)

see link above

The difference between them was their OOC. OSU's OOC combined record was 23-23 and TCU's was 16-20, despite playing one FCS OOC game

now apologize.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Anyone who thinks the Barry Alvarez Committee's selection process isn't flawed hasn't been paying attention. First, the committee inflates the rankings of Ohio State's opponents, then uses that to make the Buckeyes #2 in the country even though they are #3 in the Big 10. If Ohio State is #2, then Penn State and Wisconsin should be #1 and #1+.

The system is so flawed that even a blind man can see it. Note that no one is saying that the Big 12 should have a team in it this year, although the criteria used for Ohio State this year would have put TCU in a few years ago.

The College Playoff Pretzel Committee's thinking is like quicksand. No matter where you step, you sink, unless you're pre-determined teams.

Ohio State easily could be 7-5 right now, when those games were in their final minute. And yet they are #2? Yeah, right. I'll have whatever the CFP committee is smoking.

These guys set up flawed rankings, then point to the flawed rankings to justify their Final Four selections. Why not just announce the Final Four before the season starts so that everyone else can plan on going elsewhere to a bowl no matter what their record is?


M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20

E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28

R ebounded big time on offense and defense at Iowa State, 49-19

S cuttle Baylor

Wanna know how you're full of shit? The selection committee took an OSU opponent in Nebraska OUT of the top 25 this week............ thus defeating your tinfoil "They inflate the teams they beat" bullshit........

They also downgraded Houston, a team that beat one on of tOSU's signature wins (OK) as well as INFLATED Stanford 6 spots up the rankings to help Pac12 leader Washington....

When found lacking, go full conspiracy, right?

 

[topdecktiger]

But ohio state didn't. ohio state beat 3 ranked teams (#8, #25 #13). TCU beat 4 ranked teams (#4, #15, #20, #7).

DOH!

Nope, that's incorrect, for two reasons. 1) The committee only considers their own rankings. They don't go by the AP, Coaches' Poll, etc. 2) The committee considers teams that were ranked at the end of the year, not teams ranked during the season that fell out at the end.

TCU beat two teams that finished in the CFP Top 25, Kansas St and Minnesota. Ohio St beat three teams, Michigan St, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

 

[topdecktiger]

This is also wrong............


Listen, folks.......... just stick with my posts. They tend to be bullet proof

No, your post is wrong. You wrote:

In 2014, TCU beat 3 teams ranked at the end of the regular season when the selection was made (Baylor, KS, 'Sota)

TCU did not beat Baylor. They only beat Kansas St and Minnesota. That's only two teams.

The number of games is completely irrelevant. How about winning your conference equals automatic bid like every other ****ing collegiate sport. And pro sports. Winning your division equals spot in playoffs. Real playoffs, concrete playoffs. Not some ESPN committee deciding who is in and who is out. Real playoffs eliminate subjectivity.

No, the number of games isn't irrelevant. In other sports, you have enough games so that all conferences can get into the playoffs. In college football, you would have to either go to 16 or have some kind of bye week. The other problem is, you don't have enough games between conferences during the season to accurately determine how good each conference really is.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

No, your post is wrong. You wrote:

TCU did not beat Baylor. They only beat Kansas St and Minnesota. That's only two teams.

you got me.......... I apologize................ not sure what I was thinking. Case made even stronger by you!

 

[tOSUGrad90]

complete sham rigged system.

If Ohio State can't win their conference, how can they be one of the top four?
WVU has two losses to ranked teams, while PSU, Wisconsin and others do not--they are ranked to be in contention for the playoff AND NY6 bowls. WVU? ranked 16th behind 3 loss teams.

Total and complete SHAM

You're making up a rule that does not exist likely because you, like Cuyohoga, live in Ohio and hate Ohio State. You should ask Nick Saban why his Alabama team was invited to play in the BCS NCG after having not won its conference, then let me know what he says. I don't remember the WVU fans throwing a tantrum about that scenario, but then again, Alabama does not border West Virginia, and the Tide is coached by a native son, so I know why.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Anyone who thinks the Barry Alvarez Committee's selection process isn't flawed hasn't been paying attention. First, the committee inflates the rankings of Ohio State's opponents, then uses that to make the Buckeyes #2 in the country even though they are #3 in the Big 10. If Ohio State is #2, then Penn State and Wisconsin should be #1 and #1+.

The system is so flawed that even a blind man can see it. Note that no one is saying that the Big 12 should have a team in it this year, although the criteria used for Ohio State this year would have put TCU in a few years ago.

The College Playoff Pretzel Committee's thinking is like quicksand. No matter where you step, you sink, unless you're pre-determined teams.

Ohio State easily could be 7-5 right now, when those games were in their final minute. And yet they are #2? Yeah, right. I'll have whatever the CFP committee is smoking.

These guys set up flawed rankings, then point to the flawed rankings to justify their Final Four selections. Why not just announce the Final Four before the season starts so that everyone else can plan on going elsewhere to a bowl no matter what their record is?


M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20

E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28

R ebounded big time on offense and defense at Iowa State, 49-19

S cuttle Baylor

Wow, so now Wisconsin, which is 10-2, and lost to 11-1 Ohio State in Madison, should be ranked higher than Ohio State? Pure lunacy.

 

[steeleer]

You're making up a rule that does not exist likely because you, like Cuyohoga, live in Ohio and hate Ohio State. You should ask Nick Saban why his Alabama team was invited to play in the BCS NCG after having not won its conference, then let me know what he says. I don't remember the WVU fans throwing a tantrum about that scenario, but then again, Alabama does not border West Virginia, and the Tide is coached by a native son, so I know why.

And their fans aren't raging assholes....excluding you of course.

Maybe.

I guess I'll wait a little longer to commit on that. I'm sure you understand knowing the level the douchenozzlery that permeates your largely t-shirt alumni fan base.

Thanks.

 

[countryroads89]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=college+football+playoff+committee+2014&&view=detail&mid=A24F720F8321D83BFF29A24F720F8321D83BFF29&FORM=VRDGAR

I really don't understand why some of you are actually trying to defend this committee. They can't seem to find sound logic and stick to it. The line that totally amuses me is "they overcame the loss of two quarterbacks". That's awesome criteria.