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Boy, I don't know how we managed to win 7 games in Big 12

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I mean wow, like PunishEer says, this new conference is soooooo much better than the Big East of the 90s. I think OU and OSU would've pounded those PSU national championship teams from the 80s too. Thank God Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams didn't play in this conference or he would have never coached the Cowboys to all those Super Bowls.

I'm just glad we have Dana for at least one more year teaching us how to play big boy football. Imagine how badly he would have pounded the AAC's Houston Cougars if we would have been stuck there. After all, outside of the Sec and big 12, everyone else sucks. If we're lucky in 2016, maybe we can win 5 games against D1 teams like we did this year too!
 
WVUDisciples said:
I mean wow, like PunishEer says, this new conference is soooooo much better than the Big East of the 90s. I think OU and OSU would've pounded those PSU national championship teams from the 80s too. Thank God Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams didn't play in this conference or he would have never coached the Cowboys to all those Super Bowls.

I'm just glad we have Dana for at least one more year teaching us how to play big boy football. Imagine how badly he would have pounded the AAC's Houston Cougars if we would have been stuck there. After all, outside of the Sec and big 12, everyone else sucks. If we're lucky in 2016, maybe we can win 5 games against D1 teams like we did this year too!
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and that is still correct. The big 12 is light years better than that big east
 
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Look at the bright side, football season is almost over and we can talk about how good the Big 12 conference is in basketball. Quite a few ranked teams already and .........
 
WVUDisciples said:
I mean wow, like PunishEer says, this new conference is soooooo much better than the Big East of the 90s. I think OU and OSU would've pounded those PSU national championship teams from the 80s too. Thank God Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams didn't play in this conference or he would have never coached the Cowboys to all those Super Bowls.

I'm just glad we have Dana for at least one more year teaching us how to play big boy football. Imagine how badly he would have pounded the AAC's Houston Cougars if we would have been stuck there. After all, outside of the Sec and big 12, everyone else sucks. If we're lucky in 2016, maybe we can win 5 games against D1 teams like we did this year too!
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5th place out of 10 schools is ABOVE average. WVU is a really good team that would have 10 wins in the AAC, ACC, the SEC East, or the Big Ten West because of how strong the Big XII is compared to those leagues. At least that is what some would have us believe, but the results on the field beg to differ with that position.
 
The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
5th place out of 10 schools is ABOVE average. WVU is a really good team that would have 10 wins in the AAC, ACC, the SEC East, or the Big Ten West because of how strong the Big XII is compared to those leagues. At least that is what some would have us believe, but the results on the field beg to differ with that position.
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How do you come to that conclusion based on the pounding the Big 12 teams have already taken to this point?
 
ThePunish-EER said:
and that is still correct. The big 12 is light years better than that big east
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ThePunish-EER said:
and that is still correct. The big 12 is light years better than that big east
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The big 12 is better than the Big East but not light years. Wvu's 2007 Big east champion team pounded Oklahoma. Boise state beat Oklahoma. The big 12 hasn't had a team good enough to win the National championship in 6-7 years like it or not the Big 12 is being exposed as a physically weak conference. The Big 12 is middle heavy a few good teams but no great teams
 
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ThePunish-EER said:
and that is still correct. The big 12 is light years better than that big east
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their is a difference in the Big East and the old Eastern teams with Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, BC, and Syracuse.
 
ColoradoMountaineer said:
The big 12 is better than the Big East but not light years. Wvu's 2007 Big east champion team pounded Oklahoma. Boise state beat Oklahoma. The big 12 hasn't had a team good enough to win the National championship in 6-7 years like it or not the Big 12 is being exposed as a physically weak conference. The Big 12 is middle heavy a few good teams but no great teams
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Did you know the first year we were in the Big 12 the Big East had the same number of draft picks in the NFL?
 
Is the Big12 leaps and bounds better than the old Big East? I don't know. What I do know is the top programs in the Big12 are better than the top programs in the AAC/BIG East. After that I would say the middle and bottom tier are close to each other. What I do know is in a league like the Big12 game management is critical. Recruiting is critical. And WVU'S travel arrangements are critical. WVU will never compete with the top Big12 programs until it manages games and clock issues correctly. Recruits better than 30-40. Develops players properly. And learns the correct way to travel. The last IMO is by far the most important. I travel across the country and I can promise you after a flight to Arizona the last thing I want to do is play a football game. Now get all players on a football team who are between 17-21 to be in the right mindset and physically/mentally prepared to play a game against a team like Oklahoma. The cards will always be against us in this conference because of travel fatigue and until our head coach figures out you cannot travel the night before a game and get up and go play WVU will always struggle on the road. In a league like the Big12 going halfway across the country, with less talent, and having management miscues WVU will never have the same success it had it the Big East. And when you have a head coach who has a cavalier attitude about being wrong and who refuses to change or try different things its gonna be an uphill battle all the way. We could afford these things in the BIG East going up against less depth and no jet lag.
 
VaultHunter said:
Is the Big12 leaps and bounds better than the old Big East? I don't know. What I do know is the top programs in the Big12 are better than the top programs in the AAC/BIG East. After that I would say the middle and bottom tier are close to each other. What I do know is in a league like the Big12 game management is critical. Recruiting is critical. And WVU'S travel arrangements are critical. WVU will never compete with the top Big12 programs until it manages games and clock issues correctly. Recruits better than 30-40. Develops players properly. And learns the correct way to travel. The last IMO is by far the most important. I travel across the country and I can promise you after a flight to Arizona the last thing I want to do is play a football game. Now get all players on a football team who are between 17-21 to be in the right mindset and physically/mentally prepared to play a game against a team like Oklahoma. The cards will always be against us in this conference because of travel fatigue and until our head coach figures out you cannot travel the night before a game and get up and go play WVU will always struggle on the road. In a league like the Big12 going halfway across the country, with less talent, and having management miscues WVU will never have the same success it had it the Big East. And when you have a head coach who has a cavalier attitude about being wrong and who refuses to change or try different things its gonna be an uphill battle all the way. We could afford these things in the BIG East going up against less depth and no jet lag.
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Most of the teams in the Big 12 recruit in the 30-40's if you look at rivals ratings. The only teams that have significantly out recruited WVU in the time of our conference membership have been Oklahoma and Texas. Wvu has a higher 4 year average than Baylor since we have been conference members
 
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In looking at the 2004-11 Big East, compared to the current Big 12, I'd say the biggest difference is the Big 12 usually has 3 teams on a par with the champion of that BE, meaning you have to beat at least 1 really good team to win the Big 12 and 2 to go undefeated. That wasn't usually the case in that Big East. In terms of finishing in the middle, there isn't much difference. Of course if WE were good now as we were in those years (at least 2005-08) then the Big 12 would be better because all the other teams would have one more really good team to beat to finish at the top.

The 1993-2003 Big East was easily as good and sometimes better than the current Big 12. But, in that 8 team league you only played 7 conference games not 9 as we do now. The original BE had Temple and Rutgers virtual gimmes and the Big 12 has Kansas and ISU. So, we had to play only 5 challenging to very difficult conference games compared to 7 now. So while the Big 12 is no tougher than the old BE, we do have top play more games against decent conference foes now.

We didn't play FCS schools then so overall the OOC schedule strength was probably a little tougher nost years and we played 4 (usually, because mostly 11 game regular seasons) of them not only 3.
 
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What is it you call them...THE BIG BOYS? What a joke. The Big 12 will get pounded in the bowl season AGAIN but everyone is still in the fantasy world. "Look at this don't look at that."
 
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ThePunish-EER said:
and that is still correct. The big 12 is light years better than that big east
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The Big 12 is not "light years" better than the Big East was, and we beat a lot of great teams in that era. All your rants will not diminish that. This is where you resort to childish name calling to cover the fact you do not have a clue.
 
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TruWVblu said:
The Big 12 is not "light years" better than the Big East was, and we beat a lot of great teams in that era. All your rants will not diminish that. This is where you resort to childish name calling to cover the fact you do not have a clue.
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wrong. Only a goofball would think the big east was comparable. Not surprising you are one of them. The big 12 is light years better. Learn football.
 
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I have no idea which conference was the best................Big 12 now or Big East then. But, I sure did like it when WV played Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Pitt, etc. and then ended the season with a great Top Tier bowl invitation.
 
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WVUDisciples said:
I mean wow, like PunishEer says, this new conference is soooooo much better than the Big East of the 90s. I think OU and OSU would've pounded those PSU national championship teams from the 80s too. Thank God Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams didn't play in this conference or he would have never coached the Cowboys to all those Super Bowls.

I'm just glad we have Dana for at least one more year teaching us how to play big boy football. Imagine how badly he would have pounded the AAC's Houston Cougars if we would have been stuck there. After all, outside of the Sec and big 12, everyone else sucks. If we're lucky in 2016, maybe we can win 5 games against D1 teams like we did this year too!
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LOL - only on our idiot board could you find low information fans and trolls still bragging about Big East Football.

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WVU should leave the Big 12, join CUSA, and play MU every year.
 
TexasforevEER said:
I have no idea which conference was the best................Big 12 now or Big East then. But, I sure did like it when WV played Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Pitt, etc. and then ended the season with a great Top Tier bowl invitation.
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The other conferences in the country decided to get rid of the Big East Conference's automatic "charity" BCS bid so those Top Tier Bowl invites were no longer going to be available. Throw in Miami & Rutgers and that would be an awful football schedule today.
 
ThePunish-EER said:
the big 12 isn't all that much better? Lmao!!!!
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No, it's not. Miami and Tech had great defenses. Even South Florida's defense later on, compared to anyone in this conference today, is light years better. I'd put those Miami and Tech teams up against any B12 team we've faced since we joined, and they'd win. The B12 is middle heavy, good not great, and we can't even get to good.

Quit talking this conference up like it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's not. We're lucky if it's not last among the P5. I'm not sure, it's a foot race between us and the ACC.
 
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Wonder what the average IQ on this board is down too?

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You rarely see an intelligent posting anymore.
 
OK..................let's resolve in 2016 to make intelligent sounding posts..............and only intelligent sounding posts. Sound OK?
 
The only ones who talk about the big 12 being light years ahead of our old schedules are the ones who love Dana to the point the only excuse they have for his ineptitude is to say we cannot expect to win in this league.

No one who thinks Dana should leave thinks the big 12 is a great conference. We took a step down under stew and another step down under Dana. That's just a fact.
 
Indigent, refrigerant, belligerent, itinerant, - the most intelligent sounding post I can make.
 
wbgvwbgv said:
You rarely see an intelligent posting anymore.
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Of course you are the model of intelligent posters, confusing your opinion with fact and insulting everyone who disagrees with you. That's real high-brow dialogue.
 
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Of course you are the model of intelligent posters, confusing your opinion with fact and insulting everyone who disagrees with you. That's real high-brow dialogue.
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I rest my case. Also, I don't make fun of Asian people only low information fans and trolls.

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Where the hell is Kansas anyway? Is that near Nitro?
 
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There is no amount of evidence that will change anyone's mind on this topic. The fact is the Big East was always better than it was given credit for. The top conferences are always slightly overrated due to the amount of exposure and knobbing the national media gives them.
 
ColoradoMountaineer said:
How do you come to that conclusion based on the pounding the Big 12 teams have already taken to this point?
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It was sarcasm directed toward some of our rose colored glasses posters that point to how great the Big XII is as an excuse for why being 5th in the conference is actually a good year and why WVU is not competing for a conference title. I actually think its indicative of the current state of the program more so than the competition and WVU should aspire for better performances.
 
Low Mountains Drifter said:
In looking at the 2004-11 Big East, compared to the current Big 12, I'd say the biggest difference is the Big 12 usually has 3 teams on a par with the champion of that BE, meaning you have to beat at least 1 really good team to win the Big 12 and 2 to go undefeated. That wasn't usually the case in that Big East. In terms of finishing in the middle, there isn't much difference. Of course if WE were good now as we were in those years (at least 2005-08) then the Big 12 would be better because all the other teams would have one more really good team to beat to finish at the top.

The 1993-2003 Big East was easily as good and sometimes better than the current Big 12. But, in that 8 team league you only played 7 conference games not 9 as we do now. The original BE had Temple and Rutgers virtual gimmes and the Big 12 has Kansas and ISU. So, we had to play only 5 challenging to very difficult conference games compared to 7 now. So while the Big 12 is no tougher than the old BE, we do have top play more games against decent conference foes now.

We didn't play FCS schools then so overall the OOC schedule strength was probably a little tougher nost years and we played 4 (usually, because mostly 11 game regular seasons) of them not only 3.
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Some of the the old Big East teams would have curb stomped anyone from the Big 12, the past couple years. They actually played defense. The Big 12 is deep and middle heavy, but the WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati teams from the New Big East were just as good a anyone in the Big 12...
 
dolemitebmf said:
Some of the the old Big East teams would have curb stomped anyone from the Big 12, the past couple years. They actually played defense. The Big 12 is deep and middle heavy, but the WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati teams from the New Big East were just as good a anyone in the Big 12...
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easily one of your dumbest posts lmao!!! And that's saying a lot based on your past
 
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dolemitebmf said:
You saying that Holgorsen is just as good as Briles IS the dumbest thing I have ever seen, hypocrite...
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one problem mouth breather, that's not what I said. I was showing you how stupid it was to compare Holgorsen to guys below him. Same goes for briles to Holgorsen
 
ThePunish-EER said:
one problem mouth breather, that's not what I said. I was showing you how stupid it was to compare Holgorsen to guys below him. Same goes for briles to Holgorsen
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Way to change your tune, after giving everyone a good laugh, at your expense, hypocrite...
 
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