Big XII taking it on the chin this bowl season ...
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So we are basing the Big XII sucks now on four post-season match-ups.....FOUR GAMES?
One of which was blowing out the ACC"s second best team.
Any of you over react much?
One of which was blowing out the ACC"s second best team.
Any of you over react much?
Well in 3 of 4 games the conference wasn't competitive and UNC will probably finish ranked around 15th which is not a bad win but not great. Baylor still gave up 487 total yards and your not gonna win championships playing the kind of defense that these big 12 teams are displaying
The match-ups as listed don't seem to support your contention. Not sure what your point is.
Dudes. Look how bad the Big 12 was last bowl season! ESPN just went over the conference not being elite yet thoroughly. They lose in bowl games and don't play anyone in non-conference.
The Big 12 has a losing record ( by a significant margin) in all games against other Power 5 conferences since we joined in 2012. The results so far this year are not atypical, except maybe in terms of margins.
I think, perhaps, our one winner so far illustrates the road to better performance. Baylor won because it was the more physical team. Its defense probably showed it isn't good enough for the Bears to have won the title even with a healthy QB, but its offense looked as if it could match up against the, ahem, big boy defenses.
I'm not suggesting any coach would do what Baylor did to that degree if it had a healthy and capable QB but its ability to play smash mouth without even having much a passing threat sets it apart from the rest of us. Don't cite me raw rushing yards, there is a world of difference between racking up yards between the 20s and having an offense that can control the LOS in short yardage and redzone situations. Spread attacks that lay down the 50-60 yard drives that end in FGs or no scores often rank highly in yards gained categories, but they don't win the tough games very often.
I think, perhaps, our one winner so far illustrates the road to better performance. Baylor won because it was the more physical team. Its defense probably showed it isn't good enough for the Bears to have won the title even with a healthy QB, but its offense looked as if it could match up against the, ahem, big boy defenses.
I'm not suggesting any coach would do what Baylor did to that degree if it had a healthy and capable QB but its ability to play smash mouth without even having much a passing threat sets it apart from the rest of us. Don't cite me raw rushing yards, there is a world of difference between racking up yards between the 20s and having an offense that can control the LOS in short yardage and redzone situations. Spread attacks that lay down the 50-60 yard drives that end in FGs or no scores often rank highly in yards gained categories, but they don't win the tough games very often.
Which makes the excuse "Playing in a big boy conference now, need better recruiting" absolutely false.
Every expansion candidate got beaten too, BYU, UCONN, Cincinnati, USF, Memphis - yeah adding those teams would be a real coup de grace. Immediate strength added to the conference accompanied by snickers from everyone else. It has now been over a decade since a BIG12 team has won the national championship. With every year that passes with no national championship won by the BIG12, the more the perception will grow that the league is weak. Even if Clemson IS the only good team in the ACC, they would generate immense buzz, prestige, recruiting advantages and positive perception if they win the NC. Even being in the title game will help them. Our flagship teams need to start proving that they are the equals to the Alabamas, the Ohio States, the Oregons, and other elite programs by actually being good instead of resting on accomplishments that are becoming ancient history. Make no mistake, it was great that Oklahoma made the playoffs, but another 10 years of doing no better are going to be very bad press for the BIG12. No one really cares about top to bottom strength, that's just something the fans console themselves with. What matters is the big trophy.
That was my disappointment this year. I didn't think the conference was particularly strong. WVU should have completed for the championship. Instead, WVU was not even competitive against three of the top four teams in the conference. It's clear WVU did not have a the athletes to compete.
OK..........................the Big 12 and other conferences don't mean a thing to me right now. Run what you brung and win the game tonight agin Arizona State. Air raid or no air raid. With or without defense! My problem is that the game starts so late. Who in the hull eats Chinese takeout at midnight? Besides, I am convinced that this is just a game ............ being played by the $hiny $hoe$. We are pawns in the game.
Would you mind enlightening me as to what reasoning(s) you have read on this "main board" that has so thoroughly convinced you that the ACC is definitely a superior conference compared to the Big XII. Don't tell me your devotion to your stance is based only on the number of people who say that it is true.
Waste of time talking with homers like you. Go to the Main Board and figure out for youself that America thinks as I do and not as you do. Good luck pushing the Big12 forward on the Main Board pal. Remember I'm hoping WVU beats the living shit out of ASU tonight. And please quote my posts that states the ACC is superior to the Big12. You guys get emotional and start making crap up or take things out of context to make your points.
Reasonable and legitimate post! My only feedback would centered on two areas. One its one thing to take a month and get prepared for a one game thing. And a completely different thing to stack one conference game after another. Second is WVU recruiting will rarely be able to compete against the Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools. Forget the overall rankings. Those 3 stars are better then WVUs 3 stars. Just my opinion.
This was your response to my comment that the ACC is still clearly worse than the Big XII. This seems to indicate that you disagree with that statement. Not saying there is a huge margin, but still enough that I think the Big XII appears to be a stronger top to bottom league rather than a water downed 14 team league with only 21% of its teams being above average (Note I think outside of Clemson, UNC, and FSU the rest of the league is mediocre to bad). That being said, I am not pushing the Big XII as a great conference. In my opinion it seems the Big XII is in competition with the ACC for the worst Power 5 conference and the ACC is worse even if only slightly. In any event, you inserted yourself into this conversation of your own volition and when asked to provide your reasoning as to why you seem to disagree with my statement, the best you can do is call names and refer to OTHER folks' opinions.
Hey Mr. The ACC is great:
You realize your bowl record is 4-5 and one of your wins was an OT win over Indiana and a win over Tulsa. You have two losses to G5 schools in the bowls. The only win over a ranked opponent was Clemson. Keep telling us how great the ACC is.
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In terms of conference strength:
1. SEC (even their lower tier teams usually win their bowl games)
2. Big 10
3. Pac 12
4-5 is a battle between Big 12 and the ACC. If Clemson wins the title, then the ACC will jump up to 4 and possibly 3 in some people's eyes.
1. SEC (even their lower tier teams usually win their bowl games)
2. Big 10
3. Pac 12
4-5 is a battle between Big 12 and the ACC. If Clemson wins the title, then the ACC will jump up to 4 and possibly 3 in some people's eyes.
The Big 10 is 5-5 and one of their wins was over a MAC team. I guess that's worth bragging about. And their conference champ got taken out behind the wood shed just like Oklahoma.
Some of you guys amaze me with your logic.
I actually think Baylor losing the QB wasn't the worst thing they where more committed to running the football and being physical at the line of scrimmage. They would have beaten UNC anyway with their top QB but might have ended up in a bigger Bowl and would have Been trying to pass the ball instead of Pounding it down someones throat
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