Not just losing, but losing in embarrassing fashion. Not helping Big XII, and by extension it's members (that includes WVU for you high information fans), perception in the recruiting world. I'd venture this is much more influential on recruiting than "anonymous fan negativity on an internet message board." These bowl performances are what non-Big XII folks will use to measure this league and this is the competition that is "too big for poor, ole lil' WVU" to compete with.
Big XII taking it on the chin this bowl season ...
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Not much different than last year
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/01/conference_bowl_records_2014-1_2.html
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/01/conference_bowl_records_2014-1_2.html
SOS.
This conference is as soft as a newborn baby's butt.
Nobody plays a lick of defense.
The Big XII is easily No. 5 among the so-called power conferences and sinking like a rock. The league is embarrassing itself -- again -- this bowl season. It's a bad conference.
This conference is as soft as a newborn baby's butt.
Nobody plays a lick of defense.
The Big XII is easily No. 5 among the so-called power conferences and sinking like a rock. The league is embarrassing itself -- again -- this bowl season. It's a bad conference.
True about the W-L, but at least TCU dismantled a good team along with KSU and Baylor in it to the end against their ranked opponents last year. So far Baylor looked good against their ranked team, but was not quite as dominant and both the Oklahoma schools are being easily handled by their ranked opponents.
I think that's a bit of an over-reaction. Clearly ACC is still worse with only Clemson really being worth anything this year (UNC and FSU are not terrible, but certainly not true top 10 teams just like FSU did not belong in the play-off last year despite being undefeated). However, I will say that the Big XII is not making a good case for being better than PAC-12 or Big Ten with this bowl season so far.
Only Tcu and Oklahoma state won last year in Bowls K State lost to ucla and Baylor lost Mich state
The Big 12 (make that 10) consistently demonstrates the false bravado that comes with living off the successes of the past (talk Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and even Colorado of yesteryear). Worse thing to hit the league was backyard football (air raid) to take over the style of play. Not tough enough. Video game football isn't getting it done. Too many fans have bought into this fantasy football style. Expansion or no expansion until the league gets back to snot blowing football this league will continue to tank...and eventually that will affect income.
Big 12 looks like a non-P5 conference. It appears that only difference between the Big East and Big 12 was the name. The football results look identical.
Big Ten and Pac-12 are definitely better than the Big XII. Until somebody in this league proves it can play even a lick of defense it shouldn't be permitted to have a in the playoff. This league is soft. very soft.
For the record... ...the phrase, 'Taking it on the chin' isn't actually considered bad or insulting by a lot of our/my peers.
That's exactly what I said in the post you quoted so I am not sure what is your point. My point was that at least against ranked opposition last year the Big XII was respectable. So far, the Big XII is getting absolutely embarrassed by ranked teams except for Baylor and TCU is yet to be seen.
People can't accept reality because its their favorite excuse to the current state of Wvu football being mired in mediocrity and when bowl season comes along the physically weak Big 12 team gets exposed
Watching these games....gives me serious doubts about the chances Saturday for TCU (backup QB, despite playing a home game), K State (only WVU's awfulness away from home allowed them to be 6-6); and WVU (playing a road game against a high-powered offense without a WR and its best DB). Only the fact that Baylor was fortunate enough to play UNC's horrible defense has kept the conference from being shutout.
I believe it was the all-knowing Punisheer who told us all repeatedly how the Big12 had 4 teams as good as "Miami of the BE". LOL!
He is just expressing a reality Based opinion of the overrated big 12 not the one created by LSD and crack pipes
When we played in the big east we ran all over the Big 12 champion in the Fiesta bowl.
Is this a high information fan I'm hearing? How are those in this thread "morons?" Is it not true that the Big XII is having a really poor bowl showing so far? Is it not true that outside of TCU, there are no other chances for the Big XII to at least COMPETE with a team worth beating? I don't think beating ASU or Arkansas will really impress anyone. Is it not true that outside of Baylor over UNC that the Big XII has been thoroughly routed by ranked teams? Is it not true that those who do not pay attention to the Big XII (i.e. most folks who are not fans of a Big XII school) will use the Big XII bowl performances as a measuring stick for the league? I recall in the BE a lot of posters beat their chests when the conference had a good bowl record. Just because you do not agree does not mean that the Big XII isn't making itself look like one of the weaker P5 conferences.
Recruiting classes this year are all but set so I think you're overreacting a bit. The P5 model isn't changing anytime soon so that's off the table. So if expectations remain reasonable then these bowls mean very little. WVU isn't competing for 5 stars and they are not competing for most 4 stars. Really WVU closes down 2 and 3 stars so none of this matters. The schools WVU recruits against lose all the time too. If people want or think WVU is competing to be top 15 programs the are fooling themselves. If people think they can consistantly finish in the top 3 in the Big12 they are fooling themselves. Embrace the WVU program for what it is and that's a program that falls between 30th-40th. And every so often a magic year can happen. Some of you guys need to get a grip.
For all of you getting your panties in a wad about how the Big XII is doing in bowls, you have to look at the matchups. (Don't take this as defending the Big XII performance or criticizing).
Baylor (4th place in Big XII) vs UNC (ACC runner up)
Oklahoma (Big XII Champ) vs Clemson (ACC Champ)
Texas Tech (Big XII 6th place) vs LSU (arguably second or third best team in SEC)
Oklahoma State (3rd place in Big XII) vs Ole Miss (arguably second or third best team in SEC)
TCU (2nd place in Big XII, without starting QB) vs Oregon (3rd place in PAC 12)
K State (7th place in Big XII) vs Arkansas (9th place in SEC)
WVU (5th place in Big XII) vs ASU (10th place in PAC 12)
Baylor (4th place in Big XII) vs UNC (ACC runner up)
Oklahoma (Big XII Champ) vs Clemson (ACC Champ)
Texas Tech (Big XII 6th place) vs LSU (arguably second or third best team in SEC)
Oklahoma State (3rd place in Big XII) vs Ole Miss (arguably second or third best team in SEC)
TCU (2nd place in Big XII, without starting QB) vs Oregon (3rd place in PAC 12)
K State (7th place in Big XII) vs Arkansas (9th place in SEC)
WVU (5th place in Big XII) vs ASU (10th place in PAC 12)
Gotcha. Except the school keeps telling me I need to pay more for the facilities, coaches, advertising, etc... in order to compete in the Big XII. I agree that WVU competing for the Big XII on a yearly basis may be unreasonable. However, expecting a 8th-5th place finish every year with a once a decade 3rd place finish is aiming too low. Also, I don't think it really affects recruiting all that much. The program's coaching staff and program's performance, in that order, affect recruiting the most. I'm just mocking the posters who say that any dissention by posters on this board affects recruits. I'm also using this as evidence to refute some posters' assertion that the Big XII is such a powerful league that getting to 5th place in this 10 team league is actually ABOVE average.
Clearly to who? Not the rest of the world. Jump on the Main Board and expose your bias. You'll be abused claiming the Big12 is better than any league. Not making a good case. Wow are you blind Big12 guy! My Gawd man what have you been watching the last two years?
Panties are not in a wad. Those that assert the Big XII is too powerful of a league for WVU to ever compete for a title outside of a really lucky, rare year get their panties in a wad when someone disagrees. I'm just pointing out that the Big XII getting routed, not just beat, by decent teams provides some degree of contrary evidence to the assertion that the Big XII is better than any league other than the SEC and therefore is all but insurmountable for WVU.
Fair enough and you're very reasonable!!! I'll always respect WVU for their Big East efforts when they stepped up and gave that league credibilty. I would never say aim low. I just think a reasonable expectation for all but a few schools in each league is appropriate. Think about this. I'm sure there are Iowa fans that think this year should happen every year at Iowa. It's just unrealistic imo.
Keep telling yourself that pal. Jump on the Main Board and take it up with the rest of the country.
I'm confused. In the first post, I'm over reacting for stating that the Big XII isn't one of the better power 5 conferences. Yet you then respond by stating that the Big XII is clearly the worse conference. I stand by my statement that outside of Clemson, UNC, and FSU that the remaining ACC teams are average. UNC and FSU are not bad teams, but not better than Oregon, UCLA, Stanford, Ohio State, Mich State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Baylor, TCU (w/ Boykin), Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss. Also, FSU went through that league unscathed last year and took one of the worse bowl beatings in history against Oregon. You have a 14 team league and only one team is a legit top 20 team ... I'd say that makes your conference relatively weak.
What's your point? And I'm assuming you are defending the Big12. So defend the league. What's the point of your efforts in your post?
If I cared about what the main board thought, I'd go over there. I care about the Mountaineers and what affects the Mountaineers. If someone from this board brings up a topic, I may discuss that topic with that poster. So if that poster would like to provide HIS/HER opinion as to why HE/SHE disagrees with an opinion, I welcome it. Summing things up as "you're wrong because the majority of posters on another board disagree with you" is not a valid argument.
Keep telling yourself that and stay confused. Jump on the main board for a national perspective. Or stay nice and cozy on home board and lie to yourself.
Again, I'm here to discuss WVU and what affects WVU. If other topics are brought up by posters on this board, I will usually try to address them. If a poster on this board disagrees with my position on a topic, I welcome that poster to do so and tell me why. If I wanted to hear what a mass of anonymous posters on a main board have to say about a topic, I'd go there. Someone brought up that Big XII is not even in the same class as other P5 conferences and I in turn posed that the ACC is a worse top to bottom league and provided my reasoning. Counter points are welcome, but assertions that I am wrong with the only defense being "go to the main board where the majority disagrees with you" (because we all know the majority is always right) isn't a true counter point.
It is if you are in a massive minority with how you process and come to an opinion. That's you by the way. Do you believe perception matters in college football? Because the national perception of the Big12 is that of a very weak and decaying conference. However, just stay here and repeat the ACC sucks more than the Big12 theme. Why reach out to see what others think. That would be dumb intellectually to do that. The main board reference represents unbiased perspectives that may support your opinion and/or provide data. You may find the majority agree with you if you would expand your horizons. What I found out was that the vast majority disagree with you and view the Big12 as a lost cause and red headed step child. One post sighted how poor the conference bowl record was recently. Another post sighted how badly the Long Horn Network has failed and the negatives absorbed from it by the rest of the league. But, stay here Bell Tolls because it is safer for you pal. On three.................1......2......3.......the ACC sucks!!!!
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I have lived in big 12 country for close to 20 years now and have never really been overly impressed with the conference. What bothers me is the attitude that wvu can do no better than 7-5 where in the Big 12 now argument. Wvu 2007 team wiped there ass with Big 12 champ. I was at the game Wvu had smaller players but the overall team speed of Wvu was superior to Oklahoma. I think the big 12 has a strong middle and always had but the top of the conference is not as strong as some people like to Boost. The Big 12 has had some good years but they are a middle heavy conference for the most part and with Texas being down the door is open for the better coached teams to rise to the top
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