Big XII expansion...just wondering

[doctom4]

-- Houston would be my first choice and it would be a fine marriage, I think. If there is more money to be had for Louisville, they would be my second choice. BYU would be my second choice otherwise, but I have a feeling that while there would be a good market, there would be complications for scheduling and over their TV network (could it be possible to have a Big XII network, a Longhorn Network and a BYU network?? Some serious negotiations would have to occur.)
-- If Louisville/BYU seem impossible, I wonder if Colorado couldn't be lured back. They can't be too happy where they are athletically...the money would be split fewer ways in the 10-team Big 12.
-- Other possibilities: Memphis, Colorado State, Cincinnati, UTEP, Utah State. Tulsa (already playing a few Big XII games), Tulane (I can't believe the Big XII wouldn't help these guys along to get into the NO market). For geographic balance, my choices would be eastern schools - Cincinnati and Memphis.

 

[Buckaineer]

-- Houston would be my first choice and it would be a fine marriage, I think. If there is more money to be had for Louisville, they would be my second choice. BYU would be my second choice otherwise, but I have a feeling that while there would be a good market, there would be complications for scheduling and over their TV network (could it be possible to have a Big XII network, a Longhorn Network and a BYU network?? Some serious negotiations would have to occur.)
-- If Louisville/BYU seem impossible, I wonder if Colorado couldn't be lured back. They can't be too happy where they are athletically...the money would be split fewer ways in the 10-team Big 12.
-- Other possibilities: Memphis, Colorado State, Cincinnati, UTEP, Utah State. Tulsa (already playing a few Big XII games), Tulane (I can't believe the Big XII wouldn't help these guys along to get into the NO market). For geographic balance, my choices would be eastern schools - Cincinnati and Memphis.

Oklahoma's president stated that no schools under a grant of rights have been identified as expansion candidates. They don't believe anyone will challenge a grants of rights-so that means Louisville is out until 2027 and Colorado would be out until 2024 (at which time the BIG 12 will already be renegotiating a new deal-too late for additions). There are 6-7 schools that have been identified by the composition committee believed and reported to be UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Oklahoma's president stated that no schools under a grant of rights have been identified as expansion candidates. They don't believe anyone will challenge a grants of rights-so that means Louisville is out until 2027 and Colorado would be out until 2024 (at which time the BIG 12 will already be renegotiating a new deal-too late for additions). There are 6-7 schools that have been identified by the composition committee believed and reported to be UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

OU would split so fast if these schools are added, and honestly i cannot blame them. They are one of 2 schools with options in the Big 12.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

OU would split so fast if these schools are added, and honestly i cannot blame them. They are one of 2 schools with options in the Big 12.

If the Oklahoma President says they are not going to look at a team under a grant of rights then OU is considering UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Colorado State and BYU as targets. I think OU is much more likely to bolt if nothing is done in the way of expansion.

As for Houston - they add nothing as for market or geographic footprint.
And Colorado is much more aligned with the P12 Culture in every way.

 

[xWVU2010x]

There is zero chance a team in Texas is added. It will 100% be a team well outside of the footprint that has the best combo of market and brand. IMO this means BYU (Salt Lake City / the mormon community / solid athletics) and Cincy (Cincinnati / Ohio being a populous state even if they are a 2nd fiddle by a wide margin to OSU / solid athletics) are going to get the first phone calls. Cincy will 100% accept, BYU is a little trickier as they are independent and may prefer to stay that way, plus their religious reasons for wants to avoid a football conference. If BYU declines then there will be a very tedious research process Im sure to see which of UConn (my choice), ECU, Colorado State, USF, Memphis, UCF, Temple, is most valuable as a member and they will also check on the possibility of enticing another P5 school to jump, which IMO is doubtful.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Houston is a better add than Cincy if you NEED to add one. The city of Houston is SEC country and adding the cougs would be better than the bearcats. At least Houston has a little bit of football history and has some built in rivalries with a couple Big 12 schools.

No one gets excited to they Cincinnati

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Houston is a better add than Cincy if you NEED to add one. The city of Houston is SEC country and adding the cougs would be better than the bearcats. At least Houston has a little bit of football history and has some built in rivalries with a couple Big 12 schools.

No one gets excited to they Cincinnati

WVU needs an Eastern rival and has a history with Cincinnati. The Bearcats beat Houston two of the last three years. Houston has a nice new stadium that seats 40k and Cincy has a nicely remodeled stadium that seats 45k. Houston's basketball arena seats 8,500, Cincy's seats 13k. Cincinnati is THE college sports team for southern Ohio. Houston is fine, but I wouldn't choose them BEFORE Cincy. Along with would be OK.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Hate to say it, but WVU is 1 out of 10 conference teams. They aren't going to expand east just to accommodate us. This league already considers us a step child by basically giving us a junior membership for several years and a smaller cut of $$, what makes you think they'd add a school like Cinci just to help us out?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Hate to say it, but WVU is 1 out of 10 conference teams. They aren't going to expand east just to accommodate us. This league already considers us a step child by basically giving us a junior membership for several years and a smaller cut of $$, what makes you think they'd add a school like Cinci just to help us out?

WVU is up to a full share this year and will receive about $25 million dollars from the Big 12. The Big 12 presidents have expressed an interest in securing WVU an Eastern partner IF there is expansion. The Cincy Metro area has a lot of TV sets and cable subscribers. The final call will be made by ESPN/FoxSports for any additions.

 

[Round Hillbilly]

the thing to remember is this conference may take into consideration our distance to the other conference members when looking at expansion candidates. but in the end, the best choice for the conference may not be an eastern team. and what are we going to do about it? leave and join the MAC so we can have a more regional schedule LOL...we are lucky to have a seat at the table and the big12 knows it

 

[xWVU2010x]

Houston is a better add than Cincy if you NEED to add one. The city of Houston is SEC country and adding the cougs would be better than the bearcats. At least Houston has a little bit of football history and has some built in rivalries with a couple Big 12 schools.

No one gets excited to they Cincinnati

The city of Houston is not SEC country, that notion is laughable. Texas is and always will be the most popular college team in Texas. Even if Texas A&M has a stronghold of fans in Houston, if you seriously think the Aggie fans arent watching UT games themselves, you are delusional. We have Texas, which alone means that we command most of the college football viewership in the state of Texas and Houston. We also have TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, along with OU and OSU who probably command for Texas viewership than Houston, we have saturated the viewing market in that state. Houston is a complete afterthought down there, even with a program that has done pretty well for itself over the last few years, if you're going to pickup an afterthought you might as well do it for money reasons, and there is a reason Cincy was the first school picked up after Louisville in the Big East conference expansion.

I agree they're not exciting, but no viable options are, its about markets and football. Cincy and BYU have the best NEW markets, and they're probably also the best football programs out there of all realistic candidates, they're a no brainer for the first offers if/when the day comes.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Hate to say it, but WVU is 1 out of 10 conference teams. They aren't going to expand east just to accommodate us. This league already considers us a step child by basically giving us a junior membership for several years and a smaller cut of $$, what makes you think they'd add a school like Cinci just to help us out?

WVU has very little to do with it if/when they extend an offer to Cincy, they just make the most sense of any non P5 and BYU.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

The city of Houston is not SEC country, that notion is laughable. Texas is and always will be the most popular college team in Texas. Even if Texas A&M has a stronghold of fans in Houston, if you seriously think the Aggie fans arent watching UT games themselves, you are delusional. We have Texas, which alone means that we command most of the college football viewership in the state of Texas and Houston. We also have TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, along with OU and OSU who probably command for Texas viewership than Houston, we have saturated the viewing market in that state. Houston is a complete afterthought down there, even with a program that has done pretty well for itself over the last few years, if you're going to pickup an afterthought you might as well do it for money reasons, and there is a reason Cincy was the first school picked up after Louisville in the Big East conference expansion.

I agree they're not exciting, but no viable options are, its about markets and football. Cincy and BYU have the best NEW markets, and they're probably also the best football programs out there of all realistic candidates, they're a no brainer for the first offers if/when the day comes.

LSU is bigger in Houston than any school not named UT or A&M. Have you been to there recently? All you see is SEC shit, but most notably LSU, Bama, and A&M. They even have the huge billboards up proclaiming, "This is SEC country." lol

TCU and Baylor have a presence on the level of SMU, Rice, and UH.

 

[xWVU2010x]

LSU is bigger in Houston than any school not named UT or A&M. Have you been to there recently? All you see is SEC shit, but most notably LSU, Bama, and A&M. They even have the huge billboards up proclaiming, "This is SEC country." lol

TCU and Baylor have a presence on the level of SMU, Rice, and UH.

So what, USF put up a billboard claiming they're on the same level as FSU, Florida and Miami because they won a game against one of them, doesnt make it true. I have no doubt people in Houston watch SEC games, that alums from SEC schools reside in Houston, but Texas and Texas A&M still command that market, adding UH doesnt do anything but give us the students and alumni of UH which doesnt move the needle since Big XII games are already televised there.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

By the way, it takes eight out of ten school presidents to decide whether or not to expand. We'll see what happens in February.

 

[Buckaineer]

UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

OU would split so fast if these schools are added, and honestly i cannot blame them. They are one of 2 schools with options in the Big 12.

OU's president is the one that stated they have identified such teams so, no, OU isn't going to bolt --but they might if these schools are NOT added.

 

[coalcountry52]

-- Houston would be my first choice and it would be a fine marriage, I think. If there is more money to be had for Louisville, they would be my second choice. BYU would be my second choice otherwise, but I have a feeling that while there would be a good market, there would be complications for scheduling and over their TV network (could it be possible to have a Big XII network, a Longhorn Network and a BYU network?? Some serious negotiations would have to occur.)
-- If Louisville/BYU seem impossible, I wonder if Colorado couldn't be lured back. They can't be too happy where they are athletically...the money would be split fewer ways in the 10-team Big 12.
-- Other possibilities: Memphis, Colorado State, Cincinnati, UTEP, Utah State. Tulsa (already playing a few Big XII games), Tulane (I can't believe the Big XII wouldn't help these guys along to get into the NO market). For geographic balance, my choices would be eastern schools - Cincinnati and Memphis.

I'd rather swan dive off the New River Gorge bridge sans parachute than have any of those options.

 

[TexasforevEER]

Who would you add? I have a team(s) in mind but plan to keep it to myself. I sure do hope the Mountaineers whup K State tonight.

 

[Orlaco]

I'd rather swan dive off the New River Gorge bridge sans parachute than have any of those options.

Suddenly I find myself rooting for Houston.

 

[VaultHunter]

Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Houston. Why just add 2? Adding these 4 give you an eastern footprint and pretty much locks up all of Texas.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Facility wise, Houston is not ready and does not appear to be making any attempt. Cincinnati and Memphis are investing well over $100 million to be ready for all Big 12 Sports. (Or ACC) I'm just now checking on U Conn.

 

[older gold]

I wonder if we are better off with 10 teams, which would allow us to one day merge with either the ACC or Pac 12?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Facility wise, Houston is not ready and does not appear to be making any attempt. Cincinnati and Memphis are investing well over $100 million to be ready for all Big 12 Sports. (Or ACC) I'm just now checking on U Conn.

U Conn has a modern football stadium that only seats 40k, but their basketball arena seats over 10k. I'm not sure about the other Olympic sports facilities required for the Big 12. I'm sure any invitation would contain the same contingencies as WVU dealt with.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

I wonder if we are better off with 10 teams, which would allow us to one day merge with either the ACC or Pac 12?

Why merge with a conference that has fewer top 25 teams, at least in football? Would you really want WVU to have to beat Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor, TCU, Clemson and FSU just to contend for the conference championship? Alabama doesn't have to face a meat grinder like that.