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What is the separation between TCU and West Virginia? Let's put aside perceptions and look at the reality of what actually happened on the playing field.
2012 -- TCU 39, WVU 38, OT
2013 -- WVU 30, TCU 27, OT
2014 -- TCU 31, WVU 30
Overall -- WVU 98, TCU 97
Both schools had identical league records in '12 and '13. Last year, TCU went 8-1 while West Virginia went 5-4. If things were to flip this season, which is hardly beyond the realm of possibility, any gap would disappear.
Punditry is like politics, it's all about perceptions. Reality is far too bland.
2012 -- TCU 39, WVU 38, OT
2013 -- WVU 30, TCU 27, OT
2014 -- TCU 31, WVU 30
Overall -- WVU 98, TCU 97
Both schools had identical league records in '12 and '13. Last year, TCU went 8-1 while West Virginia went 5-4. If things were to flip this season, which is hardly beyond the realm of possibility, any gap would disappear.
Punditry is like politics, it's all about perceptions. Reality is far too bland.
I honestly think Baylor is being way over hyped. Anytime you lose a qb like petty it's going to happen. They will finish middle of the pack this year.
While a SOB, my guess Briles will have a QB ready and Baylor is loaded everywhere else on offense.
You know what, the guy might end up being right. But there is nothing he said in his write up that any casual observer couldn't have come up with. There was zero insight into anything that hasn't already been relayed 100 times over. He just threw out some curse words to try and sound edgy.
And when you brag about "breaking the news about a sexual assault" in a linkedin profile, I have to question your worth as a writer.
WV has gotten its tail kicked quite a bit over Dana's stint here. Some losses were outright awful.
TCU's Patterson has been building a successful program for a decade!
That's the separation! WVU joined the Big XII just as the wheels fell off. TCU joined just as they dropped a hopped up engine into an already fast ride.
Some background...
-McLennan Co DA and Baylor grad, Abel Reyna, accused last year of conspiring to bury DUIs for two "big Baylor people" to protect them from "Baylor finding out."
http://m.wacotrib.com/news/courts_an....html?mode=jqm
-A few years ago, LaceDarius Dunn, all time leading scorer for BU basketball, is charged with assaulting his GF, LaCharlesla Edwards, when she turns up with a broken jaw. They have a child together. She doesn't want to press charges...why ruin his potential pro career?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5652481
"Edwards' (the GF) lawyer, Jason Darling, said the victim and her family were "extremely disappointed" at the felony charge against Dunn. Darling said his client did not want to pursue charges and plans to file an affidavit of non-prosecution in an attempt to get the charges dismissed.
Darling acknowledged that Dunn did indeed punch his client in the face one time after "she got up in his face arguing."
Baylor suspended Dunn immediately and then made him sit three whole games for a violation of team rules. Charges were still pending but the outgoing DA could not be reached for comment.
BU coach Scott Drew had this to say:
"The good thing is we are excited about when he comes back," Drew said. "As good as he looks on the sideline, we know he's better on the court."
Sound familiar?
-Abel Reyna, BU grad and the accused previously mentioned, takes the case over as DA. Dunn is eventually cleared.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5797276
"Abel Reyna, the McLennan County district attorney who inherited the case when he took office in January, said he reviewed the details and did additional investigation. The grand jury then got the case and made its decision when it convened Thursday.
Dunn's attorney, Vik Deivanayagam, said in a statement that the player was "was pleased to be exonerated" by Baylor, Reyna and the grand jury
Brief history of Baylor football players with off the field issues:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1...ilebasic?pli=1
Mike Orakpo, LB – Orakpo was recruited to Baylor after being expelled from Colorado State University following an arrest for a “savage beating” that injured four people, two of them seriously, and led to a drug probe when police found evidence of drugs and anabolic steroid at his residence. According to a 90-page police report, a search of Orakpo’s and another expelled CSU’s residence yielded foil packages marked as anabolic steroids, as well as hypodermic needles, nine unmarked vials, eight of them refrigerated, and three used syringes. Possession of anabolic steroids is a felony in Colorado (but apparently not in Waco). With full knowledge of Orakpo's issues, Briles welcomed him to Baylor.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo....hance-allstars
Tevin Elliot, DE - Baylor player recruited by Briles who was sentenced to twenty years in prison and a $10,000 fine after being convicted in January 2014 of raping and sexually assaulting four Baylor women, including a freshman girl twice at a party at a Waco apartment complex. Prosecutor LaBorde called Elliott a violent serial rapist who can’t admit he did anything wrong because he doesn’t think he did anything wrong. Briles called Elliott a sweet young man who was a good football player and deserved a second chance.
According to an arrest warrant affidavit, one of the victims, who was a freshman student at Baylor University, told officers she went to the party on April 15 at the Aspen Heights apartments at 3344 South 3rd St. and while there, met Elliott. At some point, Elliott asked her to go outside with him and although she said she didn't want to go, she told officers he was persistent, the affidavit said. As they went outside, the affidavit said, Elliott "picked up the victim and took her to the pool area and volleyball court area where she was sexually assaulted twice" telling Elliott on several occasions "she did not want this." The victim later returned to the party and told an unidentified witness about the attack. That person took her to Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center, the affidavit said, and police were called a short time later.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts....fe39a7d5e.html
Josh Gordon, WR – arrested by police after being found stoned and asleep in the Taco Bell drive-thru at 3:30 am on Wed night prior to game with Tech. Briles played Gordon against Tech (but held him out of warm ups and Baylor's first drive as punishment) and said he was sticking by him because he was his kind of player. Gordon eventually left the Baylor program because of his third arrest for drugs in Waco, transferred to Utah where he never played because of failing another drug test and ended up at San Diego State. However, Baylor claims Gordon as one of the players it has put in the NFL. Gordon was suspended from the Cleveland Browns for a year for failing yet another drug test.
Daryl Stonum, WR – kicked out of Michigan following his third run-in with the law in three years at Michigan. When dismissed, Stonum was just coming off a season-long suspension in response to his second DUI arrest. Briles welcomed Stonum to Baylor's progam and campus.
Lache Seastrunk, RB – Recruited to Baylor under questionable circumstances after initially signing with Oregon after street-agent Willie Lyles was found to have accepted a $25K payment for delivering the recruit and leaving Oregon under investigation by a toothless NCAA.
Shawn Oakman, DE – Recruited to Baylor after kicked out of Penn State’s football program (and they put up with a lot at PSU) for theft.
Sam Ukwuachu, DE – Recruited to Baylor after being kicked out of Boise State following an arrest and an unspecified violation of team rules. Ukwuachu started in 12 games for Boise State as a freshman and was named a freshman All-American; however, he is no longer welcome at Boise State. Briles welcomed Ukwuachu to Baylor's football program and campus.
Ahmad Dixon, DB – Dixon was represented by a street agent during his recruitment and surprisingly decommitted from Texas to sign with Baylor, the first 4-star player to sign with Baylor during their streak of winless seasons. Dixon was arrested for criminal assault last last September during the season. According to the Waco Police Department, the 21-year-old male victim arrived at an apartment where Dixon and his friends were playing video games on the night of Sept. 16. Dixon became angry and began to assault the victim, punching him numerous times in his face and head causing pain and injury and a possible concussion. The victim waited until the next day to report the assault after Dixon made threats to the victim and victim‘s family . Waco police arrested Dixon who was subsequently bonded out of McLennan County Jail. Briles continued to play Dixon during every game that season because he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/09/27/b...sault-charges/
Antareis Bryan - Dallas police have arrested a Baylor football player. Antareis Bryan, a Dallas native, has been charged with aggravated robbery. He was booked into the Dallas County jail early Saturday morning on a $25,000 bond. Bryan is a starter who started every game for the Bears during 2009 and 2010.
Willie Andrews, DB - A Baylor football player was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute and operating an unregistered motor vehicle. Andrews was seen driving a black Ford Crown Victoria when police received a call that there was possible drug activity in the area. Police found $6,800 in cash and a 1/2 pound of marijuana in Andrews' unregistered car.Subsequently, Andrews was arrested at his home and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon and unlawful possession of a firearm when police responded to a call that Andrews allegedly pointed a handgun at his girlfriend's head during an argument. The handgun Andrews allegedly used was found near a dumpster at Andrews apartment complex. Andrews had previously been sentenced to 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge. The gun was found in his car by Texas State Troopers during a traffic stop. At the time, Andrews was serving a two year probation.
Robbie Rhodes, WR – Rhodes was arrested on drug charges and evidence tampering in May 2014. Because Rhodes attempted to hide the drugs after being apprehended, he was also charged with tampering with physical evidence. Briles said the matter would be addressed internally and added that he expected Rhodes, who is a starter, to start every game next fall so long as he is not incarcerated at game time. However, after Briles presented evidence to the McLennan County prosecutor showing that Rhodes had once previously passed a drug test at a prior time in his life, the prosecutor said that he was dropping all charges including the evidence tampering charge due to the fact that Rhodes was too important to Waco and to Baylor’s football program. Rhodes was a four-star member of BU’s 2013 recruiting class, rated as the No. 8 wide receiver in the country and the No. 8 player in the talent-rich state of Texas at any position. With the legal path now cleared, Rhodes is expected to be a significant contributor to Baylor’s high-octane offense in 2014.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo....on-drug-charge.
June 2014 Update: Unable to subsist for three weeks without narcotics, Rhodes fails yet another drug test only days after getting his May drug charges dropped and is released from the team, which raises even more questions. First, how many drug tests do you have to fail to get kicked out of Baylor? Hundreds? It should be noted that Rhodes never even passed out in the Taco Bell drive-thru, so why was he kicked off the team? But the biggest question is: knowing that when player-criminals from Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Colorado State, Boise State, Huntsville, etc, are booted out of school they transfer to Baylor, where is it that player-criminals from Baylor transfer to? Guantanamo?
Cordell Dorsey, Safety - An Abilene Cooper football standout who has committed to play for Baylor University was arrested Wednesday for alleged aggravated sexual assault of a child. In addition to his arrest, 18-year-old Cordell Dashun Dorsey has been suspended from Cooper’s football team “indefinitely,” Abilene ISD Superintendent Heath Burns said in a written statement. Cordell Dorsey has a verbal commitment to Baylor University and was recruited by Baylor Head Coach Art Briles.
-McLennan Co DA and Baylor grad, Abel Reyna, accused last year of conspiring to bury DUIs for two "big Baylor people" to protect them from "Baylor finding out."
http://m.wacotrib.com/news/courts_an....html?mode=jqm
-A few years ago, LaceDarius Dunn, all time leading scorer for BU basketball, is charged with assaulting his GF, LaCharlesla Edwards, when she turns up with a broken jaw. They have a child together. She doesn't want to press charges...why ruin his potential pro career?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5652481
"Edwards' (the GF) lawyer, Jason Darling, said the victim and her family were "extremely disappointed" at the felony charge against Dunn. Darling said his client did not want to pursue charges and plans to file an affidavit of non-prosecution in an attempt to get the charges dismissed.
Darling acknowledged that Dunn did indeed punch his client in the face one time after "she got up in his face arguing."
Baylor suspended Dunn immediately and then made him sit three whole games for a violation of team rules. Charges were still pending but the outgoing DA could not be reached for comment.
BU coach Scott Drew had this to say:
"The good thing is we are excited about when he comes back," Drew said. "As good as he looks on the sideline, we know he's better on the court."
Sound familiar?
-Abel Reyna, BU grad and the accused previously mentioned, takes the case over as DA. Dunn is eventually cleared.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5797276
"Abel Reyna, the McLennan County district attorney who inherited the case when he took office in January, said he reviewed the details and did additional investigation. The grand jury then got the case and made its decision when it convened Thursday.
Dunn's attorney, Vik Deivanayagam, said in a statement that the player was "was pleased to be exonerated" by Baylor, Reyna and the grand jury
Brief history of Baylor football players with off the field issues:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1...ilebasic?pli=1
Mike Orakpo, LB – Orakpo was recruited to Baylor after being expelled from Colorado State University following an arrest for a “savage beating” that injured four people, two of them seriously, and led to a drug probe when police found evidence of drugs and anabolic steroid at his residence. According to a 90-page police report, a search of Orakpo’s and another expelled CSU’s residence yielded foil packages marked as anabolic steroids, as well as hypodermic needles, nine unmarked vials, eight of them refrigerated, and three used syringes. Possession of anabolic steroids is a felony in Colorado (but apparently not in Waco). With full knowledge of Orakpo's issues, Briles welcomed him to Baylor.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo....hance-allstars
Tevin Elliot, DE - Baylor player recruited by Briles who was sentenced to twenty years in prison and a $10,000 fine after being convicted in January 2014 of raping and sexually assaulting four Baylor women, including a freshman girl twice at a party at a Waco apartment complex. Prosecutor LaBorde called Elliott a violent serial rapist who can’t admit he did anything wrong because he doesn’t think he did anything wrong. Briles called Elliott a sweet young man who was a good football player and deserved a second chance.
According to an arrest warrant affidavit, one of the victims, who was a freshman student at Baylor University, told officers she went to the party on April 15 at the Aspen Heights apartments at 3344 South 3rd St. and while there, met Elliott. At some point, Elliott asked her to go outside with him and although she said she didn't want to go, she told officers he was persistent, the affidavit said. As they went outside, the affidavit said, Elliott "picked up the victim and took her to the pool area and volleyball court area where she was sexually assaulted twice" telling Elliott on several occasions "she did not want this." The victim later returned to the party and told an unidentified witness about the attack. That person took her to Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center, the affidavit said, and police were called a short time later.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts....fe39a7d5e.html
Josh Gordon, WR – arrested by police after being found stoned and asleep in the Taco Bell drive-thru at 3:30 am on Wed night prior to game with Tech. Briles played Gordon against Tech (but held him out of warm ups and Baylor's first drive as punishment) and said he was sticking by him because he was his kind of player. Gordon eventually left the Baylor program because of his third arrest for drugs in Waco, transferred to Utah where he never played because of failing another drug test and ended up at San Diego State. However, Baylor claims Gordon as one of the players it has put in the NFL. Gordon was suspended from the Cleveland Browns for a year for failing yet another drug test.
Daryl Stonum, WR – kicked out of Michigan following his third run-in with the law in three years at Michigan. When dismissed, Stonum was just coming off a season-long suspension in response to his second DUI arrest. Briles welcomed Stonum to Baylor's progam and campus.
Lache Seastrunk, RB – Recruited to Baylor under questionable circumstances after initially signing with Oregon after street-agent Willie Lyles was found to have accepted a $25K payment for delivering the recruit and leaving Oregon under investigation by a toothless NCAA.
Shawn Oakman, DE – Recruited to Baylor after kicked out of Penn State’s football program (and they put up with a lot at PSU) for theft.
Sam Ukwuachu, DE – Recruited to Baylor after being kicked out of Boise State following an arrest and an unspecified violation of team rules. Ukwuachu started in 12 games for Boise State as a freshman and was named a freshman All-American; however, he is no longer welcome at Boise State. Briles welcomed Ukwuachu to Baylor's football program and campus.
Ahmad Dixon, DB – Dixon was represented by a street agent during his recruitment and surprisingly decommitted from Texas to sign with Baylor, the first 4-star player to sign with Baylor during their streak of winless seasons. Dixon was arrested for criminal assault last last September during the season. According to the Waco Police Department, the 21-year-old male victim arrived at an apartment where Dixon and his friends were playing video games on the night of Sept. 16. Dixon became angry and began to assault the victim, punching him numerous times in his face and head causing pain and injury and a possible concussion. The victim waited until the next day to report the assault after Dixon made threats to the victim and victim‘s family . Waco police arrested Dixon who was subsequently bonded out of McLennan County Jail. Briles continued to play Dixon during every game that season because he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/09/27/b...sault-charges/
Antareis Bryan - Dallas police have arrested a Baylor football player. Antareis Bryan, a Dallas native, has been charged with aggravated robbery. He was booked into the Dallas County jail early Saturday morning on a $25,000 bond. Bryan is a starter who started every game for the Bears during 2009 and 2010.
Willie Andrews, DB - A Baylor football player was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute and operating an unregistered motor vehicle. Andrews was seen driving a black Ford Crown Victoria when police received a call that there was possible drug activity in the area. Police found $6,800 in cash and a 1/2 pound of marijuana in Andrews' unregistered car.Subsequently, Andrews was arrested at his home and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon and unlawful possession of a firearm when police responded to a call that Andrews allegedly pointed a handgun at his girlfriend's head during an argument. The handgun Andrews allegedly used was found near a dumpster at Andrews apartment complex. Andrews had previously been sentenced to 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge. The gun was found in his car by Texas State Troopers during a traffic stop. At the time, Andrews was serving a two year probation.
Robbie Rhodes, WR – Rhodes was arrested on drug charges and evidence tampering in May 2014. Because Rhodes attempted to hide the drugs after being apprehended, he was also charged with tampering with physical evidence. Briles said the matter would be addressed internally and added that he expected Rhodes, who is a starter, to start every game next fall so long as he is not incarcerated at game time. However, after Briles presented evidence to the McLennan County prosecutor showing that Rhodes had once previously passed a drug test at a prior time in his life, the prosecutor said that he was dropping all charges including the evidence tampering charge due to the fact that Rhodes was too important to Waco and to Baylor’s football program. Rhodes was a four-star member of BU’s 2013 recruiting class, rated as the No. 8 wide receiver in the country and the No. 8 player in the talent-rich state of Texas at any position. With the legal path now cleared, Rhodes is expected to be a significant contributor to Baylor’s high-octane offense in 2014.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo....on-drug-charge.
June 2014 Update: Unable to subsist for three weeks without narcotics, Rhodes fails yet another drug test only days after getting his May drug charges dropped and is released from the team, which raises even more questions. First, how many drug tests do you have to fail to get kicked out of Baylor? Hundreds? It should be noted that Rhodes never even passed out in the Taco Bell drive-thru, so why was he kicked off the team? But the biggest question is: knowing that when player-criminals from Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Colorado State, Boise State, Huntsville, etc, are booted out of school they transfer to Baylor, where is it that player-criminals from Baylor transfer to? Guantanamo?
Cordell Dorsey, Safety - An Abilene Cooper football standout who has committed to play for Baylor University was arrested Wednesday for alleged aggravated sexual assault of a child. In addition to his arrest, 18-year-old Cordell Dashun Dorsey has been suspended from Cooper’s football team “indefinitely,” Abilene ISD Superintendent Heath Burns said in a written statement. Cordell Dorsey has a verbal commitment to Baylor University and was recruited by Baylor Head Coach Art Briles.
I can't honestly say I completely disagree with everything he said. I think he is underestimating WVU (I hope). However, I was a little turned off by all of the cursing. Now, I'm not a negative Nancy that goes around scolding people for cursing, but the fact he felt a need to litter his commentary with so much of it degrades his credibility IMO and makes him less of a professional.
