BIG 12 meetings

[Buckaineer]

Important league meetings coming up this week:

excerpt:
Later this week, the Big 12’s presidents, chancellors and athletic directors will congregate at the conference office in Irving, Texas, to kick off what figures to be a defining three months. League leaders are set to meet again in May.

These won’t be the usual routine discussions about rules and budgets. Instead, these talks could set the course for the future of the Big 12, and, perhaps, whether the conference ultimately has a future at all.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/109392/next-three-months-could-determine-future-of-big-12

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

they aren't expanding, get over it and move on.

 

[Buckaineer]

Important meetings are coming up that will affect WVU's conference future--and perhaps the future of WVU athletics.

Stop burying your head in the sand and trying to get others to not discuss this.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Important meetings are coming up that will affect WVU's conference future--and perhaps the future of WVU athletics.

Stop burying your head in the sand and trying to get others to not discuss this.

you have a thread right below this that has 500 posts, does that not suffice?

 

[Buckaineer]

you have a thread right below this that has 500 posts, does that not suffice?

Please note: This is a thread titled: BIG 12 meetings.
Please also note-you don't own or run these boards. Why then are you trying to tell people what they can post about and discuss here?

I'm 100% sure if posters could direct others in what can be posted or not, nearly everyone would require that you never post again since from you its only negative trolling b.s. such as here. Get over yourself. If you don't care about WVU's athletic future and/or conference don't read or post. Simple instructions for a simple mind.

 

[coalcountry52]

Important meetings are coming up that will affect WVU's conference future--and perhaps the future of WVU athletics.

Stop burying your head in the sand and trying to get others to not discuss this.

Discuss what? Adding metro/directional schools?

F*** to the no.

 

[Buckaineer]

Discuss what? Adding metro/directional schools?

F*** to the no.

Actually a comprehensive plan which includes expansion, a conference network and merging the LHN into it, and enacting a 12 team conference championship game. This is what the conference will be discussing and either making a plan for or not over the next few days and again in May when votes would take place.

 

[coalcountry52]

Actually a comprehensive plan which includes expansion, a conference network and merging the LHN into it, and enacting a 12 team conference championship game. This is what the conference will be discussing and either making a plan for or not over the next few days and again in May when votes would take place.

So adding metro/directional schools? F*** to the no.

You started the other thread that is 500+ posts of genuine MMB nonsense so count me out.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Please note: This is a thread titled: BIG 12 meetings.
Please also note-you don't own or run these boards. Why then are you trying to tell people what they can post about and discuss here?

I'm 100% sure if posters could direct others in what can be posted or not, nearly everyone would require that you never post again since from you its only negative trolling b.s. such as here. Get over yourself. If you don't care about WVU's athletic future and/or conference don't read or post. Simple instructions for a simple mind.

I never claimed to own the board, that's absurd. But it is annoying when you clutter every WVU sports message board with hundreds of threads rehashing the same topic over and over again.

You want the Big 12 to expand, everyone realizes that. How many hours a week do you spend starting threads and posting about conference expansion?

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I never claimed to own the board, that's absurd. But it is annoying when you clutter every WVU sports message board with hundreds of threads rehashing the same topic over and over again.

You want the Big 12 to expand, everyone realizes that. How many hours a week do you spend starting threads and posting about conference expansion?

Not an owner of board, but I agree it would be nice to keep these same topics in one thread. Otherwise the board gets cluttered to the point it is unreadable, like TOS BIG12 board used to be

 

[Buckaineer]

As the article linked above states:

And in the end, it could boil down to an old Western standoff, pitting the Big 12’s two founding members against one another.

This will be interesting to watch. We know that Oklahoma has the best interests of the BIG 12 in mind and is looking towards a long term future for the entire membership. Its not so clear on the other side what Texas' interests are. Is there some benefit to Texas to keep things status quo and if so what exactly?

What is going to happen down the road if the opposite factions in the BIG 12 don't come to agreement?

For WVU fans even more importantly how is this going to affect the Mountaineers?

The initial meetings will be for discussion so everyone can clear the air and get points across and hopefully as Oklahoma's president stated:

"What I hope we'll do is do a lot of talking about it and hope that we get some kind of a timetable laid out in front of us, during which time we'll act," he said. "Let's hope this is going to be in the next few months to a year or whatever.”

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Discuss what? Adding metro/directional schools?

F*** to the no.

Isn't adding the word State effectively the same as directional? If a school is a part of the state university system does it matter what the name is? Southern California is directional as an extreme example. Miami is a small private school you could call metro. As a matter of fact, TCU is a small private Christian school with only 11k students on campus and they fit quite well into the Big 12.

Why is there an issue with some regarding the name of a school? If they fit the criteria mandated by the collective votes of the conference membership, everything else is settled on the playing field.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

So adding metro/directional schools? F*** to the no.

You started the other thread that is 500+ posts of genuine MMB nonsense so count me out.

You do not have to be so nasty.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Isn't adding the word State effectively the same as directional? If a school is a part of the state university system does it matter what the name is? Southern California is directional as an extreme example. Miami is a small private school you could call metro. As a matter of fact, TCU is a small private Christian school with only 11k students on campus and they fit quite well into the Big 12.

Why is there an issue with some regarding the name of a school? If they fit the criteria mandated by the collective votes of the conference membership, everything else is settled on the playing field.

Don't get it confused, if the Big 12 had any decent options TCU would still be in the wac or whatever conference they came from.

 

[Buckaineer]

TCU is a top ten program that has challenged for the national championship recently, and beat such power teams as Oregon and Ole Miss in bowls the last two seasons.

They are a great addition to the BIG 12.

 

[Buckaineer]

Going back to the meetings--its pretty clear things can't just remain as they are in the BIG 12.

There has to be change one way or the other.

So even if Texas and or some faction of schools don't want there to be change there is eventually going to be.

If they block comprehensive improvement, then the membership of the conference is going to change at some point, or the conference could fail entirely-which likely will put some of those schools in peril as well.

If on the other hand the conference adopts comprehensive changes then everything changes in the positive. The BIG 12 will be completely stabilized and remain clearly in the top three conferences.

This is probably why there are alot of "grass roots agitators" on message boards and blogs trying to keep the BIG 12 from doing anything.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

Going back to the meetings--its pretty clear things can't just remain as they are in the BIG 12.

There has to be change one way or the other.

So even if Texas and or some faction of schools don't want there to be change there is eventually going to be.

If they block comprehensive improvement, then the membership of the conference is going to change at some point, or the conference could fail entirely-which likely will put some of those schools in peril as well.

If on the other hand the conference adopts comprehensive changes then everything changes in the positive. The BIG 12 will be completely stabilized and remain clearly in the top three conferences.

This is probably why there are alot of "grass roots agitators" on message boards and blogs trying to keep the BIG 12 from doing anything.

Propaganda, Conjecture and speculation

 

[steeleer]

Please make it stop.

 

[TruWVblu]

As the article linked above states:

And in the end, it could boil down to an old Western standoff, pitting the Big 12’s two founding members against one another.

This will be interesting to watch. We know that Oklahoma has the best interests of the BIG 12 in mind and is looking towards a long term future for the entire membership. Its not so clear on the other side what Texas' interests are. Is there some benefit to Texas to keep things status quo and if so what exactly?

What is going to happen down the road if the opposite factions in the BIG 12 don't come to agreement?

For WVU fans even more importantly how is this going to affect the Mountaineers?

The initial meetings will be for discussion so everyone can clear the air and get points across and hopefully as Oklahoma's president stated:

"What I hope we'll do is do a lot of talking about it and hope that we get some kind of a timetable laid out in front of us, during which time we'll act," he said. "Let's hope this is going to be in the next few months to a year or whatever.”

I'm not sure I want the Big 12 to expand or not, but I do know I want it to survive. Mainly, because I do not think it is guaranteed that if it does not survive, WVU lands on its feet in a Power 5 conference. I also think we are burying out heads in the sand to not consider the possibility of adding two schools. At this point it really does not matter if we the fans believe there are viable options out there or not. It really sounds like it matters what OU thinks, and to ignore their influence and power over such a decision would be shortsighted and dangerous for the conference. Like the article says, OU will be fine either way and could very well call the rest of the conference's bluff if they do not do more than consider expansion.

 

[Buckaineer]

Propaganda, Conjecture and speculation

Oklahoma's president stated there had to be change or he would look out for Oklahoma's long term interests. There's no propaganda, conjecture or speculation in that, nor is there any in that the BIG 12 would remain at a disadvantage with the 13th data point, be guaranteed more schools with more losses than others with a round robin, and fall behind others financially--as the commissioner stated, it will be a "wide" separation. They will also continue to have a smaller footprint, more negative press and more than likely lower tv ratings than the conference's peers.

Propaganda, conjecture and speculation is claiming they can do nothing and any of the above and/or other disadvantages will disappear.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

During this week the men in business suits will likely agree to a concept which will include expansion, with the details to be completed in May. They will agree to keep the substance confidential, but Mr. Boren and Mr. Gee can't help themselves. We'll know the plan within a week.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

During this week the men in business suits will likely agree to a concept which will include expansion, with the details to be completed in May. They will agree to keep the substance confidential, but Mr. Boren and Mr. Gee can't help themselves. We'll know the plan within a week.

I think we will come away with nothing. They can talk all and meet all they want, but until they can get 8 affirmative votes to expand, nothing is going to happen

 

[Buckaineer]

I'm not sure I want the Big 12 to expand or not, but I do know I want it to survive. Mainly, because I do not think it is guaranteed that if it does not survive, WVU lands on its feet in a Power 5 conference. I also think we are burying out heads in the sand to not consider the possibility of adding two schools. At this point it really does not matter if we the fans believe there are viable options out there or not. It really sounds like it matters what OU thinks, and to ignore their influence and power over such a decision would be shortsighted and dangerous for the conference. Like the article says, OU will be fine either way and could very well call the rest of the conference's bluff if they do not do more than consider expansion.

Its difficult to understand what those that want to bury their heads in the sand are thinking. Maybe they just don't like to deal with reality and thinking about whats happening is too painful. Hard to know since they don't contribute, just try to derail threads and/or get others to stop talking about the situation.

WVU, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech all can be affected for better or worse in these debates. Everyone's futures including Texas and Oklahoma's are going to be affected based on the outcomes over the next few months.

 

[Buckaineer]

I think we will come away with nothing. They can talk all and meet all they want, but until they can get 8 affirmative votes to expand, nothing is going to happen

They will decide to address comprehensive change, or will decide to maintain the status quo, or will decide to implement a 10 team CCG and nothing else.

 

[Buckaineer]

During this week the men in business suits will likely agree to a concept which will include expansion, with the details to be completed in May. They will agree to keep the substance confidential, but Mr. Boren and Mr. Gee can't help themselves. We'll know the plan within a week.

The media is going to ask questions. If some decisions are made then there's no reason we won't know about it. If they decide to expand, create a conference network, roll the LHN into it, and add a CCG we'll know that they are going to work on that and that votes will be coming up.

If they decide to do part or none we'll also get opinions on what that means. There's really no reason to hide anything at this point.

 

[Ft. MyEERS]

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

She packed my bags last night pre flight
Zero hour nine a.m.
And I'm gonna be high, as a kite by then
I miss the earth so much, I miss my wife
It's lonely out in space
On such a timeless flight

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh no, no, no, I'm a Expansion Man burning out his fuse on the message board alone

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh no, no, no, I'm a expansion man Expansion Man burning out his on the message board alone

Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it's cold as Hell
And there's no one there to raise them if you didn't
And all this science, I don't understand
It's just my job, five days a week
A Expansion man, a Expansion man

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh no, no, no, I'm a Expansion man
Expansion man burning out his fuse on the message board alone

And I think it's gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh no, no, no, I'm a Expansion man
Expansion man burning out his fuse on the message board alone

Now, I think it's gonna be a long long time
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
And I think it's gonna be a long long time

 

[Krit]

I love B12 conference and hope B12 decides to commit to long-term stability by going forward with Boren's proposal. I believe Boren wants the B12 to compete on an equal playing field with the other conferences, and if not, he knows OU will have better options. OU does not have linger in a disadvantaged conference...

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

I think we will come away with nothing. They can talk all and meet all they want, but until they can get 8 affirmative votes to expand, nothing is going to happen

I'm sorry, I forgot that you already know how everyone will vote. Check that, you believe you know how everyone will vote based upon nothing.

 

[topdecktiger]

I'm sorry, I forgot that you already know how everyone will vote. Check that, you believe you know how everyone will vote based upon nothing.

He said:

"I think we will come away with nothing."

He clearly said that was his opinion. His next statement was entirely factual. He said:

"until they can get 8 affirmative votes to expand, nothing is going to happen."

Well, that's 100% true. The bylaws (as reported in a link posted last week), require 8 of the 10 schools to approve a new member. So what he said is absolutely true. Unless 8 schools agree to expand, there can't be any expansion. He didn't claim he knew which way any school would vote. He simply said how the vote had to turn out to approve expansion, which was entirely accurate.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I'm sorry, I forgot that you already know how everyone will vote. Check that, you believe you know how everyone will vote based upon nothing.

Re-read the post JA, I said I think this is what will happen, not that I know it would happen.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

He said:

"I think we will come away with nothing."

He clearly said that was his opinion. His next statement was entirely factual. He said:

"until they can get 8 affirmative votes to expand, nothing is going to happen."

Well, that's 100% true. The bylaws (as reported in a link posted last week), require 8 of the 10 schools to approve a new member. So what he said is absolutely true. Unless 8 schools agree to expand, there can't be any expansion. He didn't claim he knew which way any school would vote. He simply said how the vote had to turn out to approve expansion, which was entirely accurate.

Thanks, I guess people can't even express an opinion, even when it clearly said "I think"

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

These expansion nutjobs on here are straight out of the loony bin. They get their panties in a twist if you don't agree with every single thing they say, and accuse you of "having your head in the sand"

Personally I don't think adding two subpar programs makes the big 12 a stronger conference. I like playing UT and OU, I don't want to give those games up only to see USF or UConn back on the schedule.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Thanks, I guess people can't even express an opinion, even when it clearly said "I think"

You are right, Steve. I apologize. You did indeed preface your remarks with 'I think'. Everyone has a right to their opinion, I guess I mistook you for a couple of others here, like GetYaNumbersUp. My bad.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

These expansion nutjobs on here are straight out of the loony bin. They get their panties in a twist if you don't agree with every single thing they say, and accuse you of "having your head in the sand"

Personally I don't think adding two subpar programs makes the big 12 a stronger conference. I like playing UT and OU, I don't want to give those games up only to see USF or UConn back on the schedule.

Thank you for saying, 'I don't think', which means you are simply expressing your opinion instead of claiming to know what is going to happen. I don't want to give those names up either. However, I have never seen a conference knowingly expand to include someone who may immediately come in and take the championship. A&M damn near caught the SEC at the right time their first year, but usually you want to add 'middle of the road' programs.

It's really all about adding TV sets, which the Big 12 sorely needs. WVU's schedule already includes UT, OU, TCU, Baylor, OSU, and usually one other big 12 team having a strong year. Why would anyone want to saddle them with additional top 20 teams? Especially like Clemson, who is strong but is based in a small TV market.

Cincy, USF and Houston have winning programs, good facilities and add over 2 million people in each of their metro areas. That is a lot of TV sets for what will initially be 'middle of the conference' athletic programs. They are all 3 capable of being the proverbial sleeping giant under the right circumstances.

USF averages 35k in attendance with a winning program. However, the last time they hosted WVU they drew 65k! We're talking Tampa Bay here, a huge metropolitan area with a pro stadium.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

You are right, Steve. I apologize. You did indeed preface your remarks with 'I think'. Everyone has a right to their opinion, I guess I mistook you for a couple of others here, like GetYaNumbersUp. My bad.

By the way, show the respect you would in person. My name is Mick, my initials are not JA. I do not call you names, I may call you wrong.

 

[Buckaineer]

BIG 12 meeting news making the rounds in collegiate circles--

from the university herald--
excerpt:
According to ESPN, the subject of this year's Big 12 meetings in Irvine, Texas later this week will be making major decisions that will not only change the conference's identity, but also alter its future. But whereas the conference has baulked at major decision before, that may not be the case this time.

http://www.universityherald.com/art...pionship-game-expansion-at-annual-meeting.htm

 

[Charleston Mountie]

BIG 12 meeting news making the rounds in collegiate circles--

from the university herald--
excerpt:
According to ESPN, the subject of this year's Big 12 meetings in Irvine, Texas later this week will be making major decisions that will not only change the conference's identity, but also alter its future. But whereas the conference has baulked at major decision before, that may not be the case this time.

http://www.universityherald.com/art...pionship-game-expansion-at-annual-meeting.htm

I believe that Cincinnati has the votes, but I do not think any proposed candidate partner has 8 votes. They are unlikely to expand by 1, but there have been 11 team conferences before. If they are going to devote the bulk of the meeting time to this issue, they are going to expand to at least 12 or not at all.

I believe the meeting ends with a move to expand with Cincinnati and _________ .

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

I believe that Cincinnati has the votes, but I do not think any proposed candidate partner has 8 votes. They are unlikely to expand by 1, but there have been 11 team conferences before. If they are going to devote the bulk of the meeting time to this issue, they are going to expand to at least 12 or not at all.

I believe the meeting ends with a move to expand with Cincinnati and _________ .

USF or Houston (Excellent post!)

 

[Buckaineer]

From everything Boren has stated and the reports of the meetings, candidates and details will be discussed at the meetings. Doubtful there are votes lined up for anyone, they won't vote at this meeting, they will discuss. Lots of info to be passed along and scrutinized by the membership.