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Baylor and a Bowl Ban

Baylor is done. They don't have to worry about bowls as they are now competing with Kansas for last place.
 
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Drayton McClane and other wealthy BU boosters have given a lot of money to the program.
Even donations to the SBC goes to Baylor athletics.

They have been recruiting well and have Matt Rhule and Charlie Brewer.

There is a sense of optimism in Waco around their football program.
 
Temple coaches moving up to P5 schools have not had a lot of success.

Al Golden to Miami 32-25 (17-18)
Steve Addazio to BC 31-33 (14-26)
Randy Shannon to Miami 28-22 (16-16) Temple Asst.
Jim McElwain to Florida 22-12 (16-8) Temple Asst.
Dan Mullen to Miss.State 69-46 (33-39) Successful in OOC but not SEC
(good Luck Florida) Dan Mullen so far has been the best
Will Muschamp - Florida 28-21 (17-15) South Carolina 15-11 (8-8)
Matt Rhule 1-11 (1-8) Players jumping ship or not he should have done better than this.
 
Never knew Will Muschamp coached at Temple.

Great defensive mind.
A lot of the defense that has been created at the CFB level came from him.

His LB mindset doesn't always work in CFB as a head coach
When you talk about the downfall of Texas you have to mention Muschamp leaving Austin to become the HC at Florida.

Rhule is a great coach.
You see it with the development of Baylor through the season.

Plus they want to run the ball and play toughnose D

A blueprint that works in the Big XII if you have the talent at QB and skill at WR

Mims and Jalen Hurd could be the best WR tandem in the Big XII.
 
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Baylor football is surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits.......... it's only a matter of time before they rebuild with local talent.
 
Baylor football is surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits.......... it's only a matter of time before they rebuild with local talent.

So was Temple when many of these same coaches were there. All it did was get them tossed from the old Big East for lack of performance on the field and lack of butts in the stands.

I remember Matt Taffoni's Grandma getting mugged in the bathroom at the Vet. Matt's response? "It's Philly, what do you expect?"
 
So was Temple when many of these same coaches were there. All it did was get them tossed from the old Big East for lack of performance on the field and lack of butts in the stands.

I remember Matt Taffoni's Grandma getting mugged in the bathroom at the Vet. Matt's response? "It's Philly, what do you expect?"

Baylor has had historic success especially under Grant Teaff

Miracle on the Brazos.
In the 80's they had Future All Pros Mike Singletary and James Francis
Not to mention a recent Heisman QB.

Problem for Baylor was that their AD didn't bring the $$$$$$$ in when the Big XII started


Around 2003 they made a concerted effort and hired a coach from Kentucky.


Best thing to happen to Baylor was the end of the divisions
Tech under Leach and the other 5 teams slaughtered Baylor every week.

If you study the history of FB in Texas you need Two things the right coach and $$$$$$.
Reason why the state of Texas has so many College HoF coaches


Baylor truthfully feels like they have it

If not there are 4 coaches with big Texas ties who are on their short list
 
"Nothing wrong with Baylor. They will be just fine and competing for Championships in no time at all. Everybody knows Baylor is the big dog in the state of Texas." That's what a PSU style Baylor fan would say.

A voluntary post season ban is a good start. Also a 20 scholarship reduction for two years would be good as well. But Baylor will escape any meaningful punishment.
 
So was Temple when many of these same coaches were there. All it did was get them tossed from the old Big East for lack of performance on the field and lack of butts in the stands.

I remember Matt Taffoni's Grandma getting mugged in the bathroom at the Vet. Matt's response? "It's Philly, what do you expect?"

And you’re really trying to compare Northeast kids to Texas kids who grow up wanting B12 offers?
 
"Nothing wrong with Baylor. They will be just fine and competing for Championships in no time at all. Everybody knows Baylor is the big dog in the state of Texas." That's what a PSU style Baylor fan would say.

A voluntary post season ban is a good start. Also a 20 scholarship reduction for two years would be good as well. But Baylor will escape any meaningful punishment.

Before y'all were in this conference Baylor basketball hit rock bottom

The reason the NCAA could slap violations of lack of institutional control is because of Dave Bliss. What Briles did is a continuation of Dave Bliss from 2003.

Baylor Basketball rose again like the Phoenix. They are thinking Rhule is Scott Drew.

Baylor would be happy to win in basketball both men's and womens, baseball, softball and win 8 and 9 games a year in football.

They are one of a handful of schools that can compete across the board.
Even if you would punish their football they would then invest more time and money into their basketball program.
 
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And you’re really trying to compare Northeast kids to Texas kids who grow up wanting B12 offers?

Yep. Temple is in the talent rich state of PA. and just across the river from New Jersey which is packed with high quality prospects. Not all of them can go to Penn State which has made living on them for decades, winning NC's in the process.Temple has no excuse.
 
Yep. Temple is in the talent rich state of PA. and just across the river from New Jersey which is packed with high quality prospects. Not all of them can go to Penn State which has made living on them for decades, winning NC's in the process.Temple has no excuse.

Stop.... lol, comparing Temple to a Big12 school.... or even when they were the doormat of the BE


What a reach
 
Yep. Temple is in the talent rich state of PA. and just across the river from New Jersey which is packed with high quality prospects. Not all of them can go to Penn State which has made living on them for decades, winning NC's in the process.Temple has no excuse.

Temple is a basketball school. Didn't they play in the A10 in basketball while playing Big East football.
Didn't they try to force their way into the Big East to play basketball.

Baylor vs Temple
One has their own stadium
One has 589 wins with over a 500 record.
Other has .463
One has been to 23 bowl games with a winning record. The other has been to 7.
One has 9 conference championships 1 Heisman and 16 All Americans
The other has only 3 Conference Championships and 0 Heismans and 3 All Americans
 
Temple is a basketball school. Didn't they play in the A10 in basketball while playing Big East football.
Didn't they try to force their way into the Big East to play basketball.

Baylor vs Temple
One has their own stadium
One has 589 wins with over a 500 record.
Other has .463
One has been to 23 bowl games with a winning record. The other has been to 7.
One has 9 conference championships 1 Heisman and 16 All Americans
The other has only 3 Conference Championships and 0 Heismans and 3 All Americans

WVU and Rutgers played in the A-10 until '95 with them, and Virginia Tech did the same in the old Metro Conference until the same year. The screwy nature of the clash between the primarily private Catholic basketball schools and the more secular football schools are what ripped that conference apart. The only teams that got in w/o a delay for basketball were private football powers Miami and Notre Dame, the latter never joined for football. Instead they pulled the same scam on the Big East that they're currently running on the ACC.

The delay in getting in the basketball side was the first wedge between the BE and V.Tech. They were shopping around from then on for a better deal somewhere else.

Temple was promised provisional membership with certain qualifiers which the league kept changing until they could boot them out.

The religious schools who'd screwed the pooch grandly in the first half of the first decade of this century were proposing Villanova, a D-IAA football school and original member of the basketball side as football member towards the end. After the Uconn and S.Fl. additions, the serious football playing teams were looking for the way out. The idea of adding Villanova was a huge catalyst in causing them to bolt.
 
Stop.... lol, comparing Temple to a Big12 school.... or even when they were the doormat of the BE


What a reach

Keaton, where does Philadelphia sit? In the center of the East Coast megalopolis, it stretches from Richmond to Boston and is the most populated region in the country. Philly is surrounded by more talent within two-three hours drive north or south than Texas can dream of. If you can't win with the access to that much talent in the region, you have no excuses if you play D-I and aren't good. As a matter of fact the same could be said for Rutgers.

Don't you understand simple demographics? Why do you think the Philly schools have played such good basketball for decades? Their talent is within driving distance. Wise up.
 
Baylor football is surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits.......... it's only a matter of time before they rebuild with local talent.

Then why has Baylor only had 5 / 10+ wins all time. Art Briles had 4 of them. Baylor only has 5 / 9 win seasons and 10 / 8 win seasons. That's 20 years of 8 or more wins since they began in 1903. I would say it seems more like A&M, Texas and TCU get the most of the players of that local talent.

So it's only a matter of time before they get to 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 record.
 
Then why has Baylor only had 5 / 10+ wins all time. Art Briles had 4 of them. Baylor only has 5 / 9 win seasons and 10 / 8 win seasons. That's 20 years of 8 or more wins since they began in 1903. I would say it seems more like A&M, Texas and TCU get the most of the players of that local talent.

So it's only a matter of time before they get to 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 record.

Or............. Baylor emerged within the last decade as a football program who now has another great coach and is surrounded by high-level talent wanting to stay close to home.


feel free to ignore the fact that 17 year old kids don't give a **** what happened 10+ years ago.
 
Keaton, where does Philadelphia sit? In the center of the East Coast megalopolis, it stretches from Richmond to Boston and is the most populated region in the country. Philly is surrounded by more talent within two-three hours drive north or south than Texas can dream of. If you can't win with the access to that much talent in the region, you have no excuses if you play D-I and aren't good. As a matter of fact the same could be said for Rutgers.

Don't you understand simple demographics? Why do you think the Philly schools have played such good basketball for decades? Their talent is within driving distance. Wise up.

Simple
Philly schools have always valued basketball.
Doesn't mean they cannot win but not at the FBS level

Villanova was a FCS power. Not to mention has produced a lot of NFL talent.

To win at football you have to value the sport 100%
The operating cost between a school like Baylor and Temple is huge.
The alumni of a school like Baylor and Temple are totally different.


Three hour drive from Waco includes the most talent rich football area of the country.
The Texas Triangle, East Texas and into NW Louisiana and SW Arkansas.
 
Then why has Baylor only had 5 / 10+ wins all time. Art Briles had 4 of them. Baylor only has 5 / 9 win seasons and 10 / 8 win seasons. That's 20 years of 8 or more wins since they began in 1903. I would say it seems more like A&M, Texas and TCU get the most of the players of that local talent.

So it's only a matter of time before they get to 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 record.

10 games or lower were the norm for the most of football history
Playing 12 games started in the late 90s I believe.

A great coach can change everything at Baylor.
This is why every school in Texas has had a golden era and a College HoFame coach.

Problem is certain schools like SMU and Baylor have to cut corners.
All SMU did was pay players. It wasn't like they were advertising girls to come get raped like Baylor.
 
Teams were allowed to play 12 games in the 2002 and 2003 seasons, but was not approved by NCAA until 2005. Baylor 97-94 since 2002 when 12 game seasons were allowed. Baylor didn't make a bowl game from 1995-2010. If not for Briles 65-37 and and if not for his raping transfers Baylor would have sucked even more. Baylor will be an up and down type team relying on transfers to build their depth.
 
Or............. Baylor emerged within the last decade as a football program who now has another great coach and is surrounded by high-level talent wanting to stay close to home.


feel free to ignore the fact that 17 year old kids don't give a **** what happened 10+ years ago.

Sometimes I think you children have no clue about history...Baylor sucked balls until Briles began getting rape transfers from other schools. Baylor will not return to what they were from 2011 through 2015 / 50-15.

Feel free to ignore the fact that Baylor is 589-566-44 and without the suspect recruiting of Briles, Baylor would not be. Baylor has a feel of WVU from 2005, 06, and 07. When they won 11 games each year. Although WVU has had greater success than Baylor through out the years.
 
Sometimes I think you children have no clue about history...Baylor sucked balls until Briles began getting rape transfers from other schools. Baylor will not return to what they were from 2011 through 2015 / 50-15.

Feel free to ignore the fact that Baylor is 589-566-44 and without the suspect recruiting of Briles, Baylor would not be. Baylor has a feel of WVU from 2005, 06, and 07. When they won 11 games each year. Although WVU has had greater success than Baylor through out the years.

No one gives a shit about history here, gramps

We are talking about the decisions of kids born in 2002..... by the time they grew up enough to know to even watch college football, it was the RGIII era at Baylor
 
No one gives a shit about history here, gramps

We are talking about the decisions of kids born in 2002..... by the time they grew up enough to know to even watch college football, it was the RGIII era at Baylor

You bore me. Bring facts or bring nothing.
 
Teams were allowed to play 12 games in the 2002 and 2003 seasons, but was not approved by NCAA until 2005. Baylor 97-94 since 2002 when 12 game seasons were allowed. Baylor didn't make a bowl game from 1995-2010. If not for Briles 65-37 and and if not for his raping transfers Baylor would have sucked even more. Baylor will be an up and down type team relying on transfers to build their depth.


Put a lot of schools in the old Big XII South and they would have struggled.
That was 5 automatic losses when Mike Leach was at Tech.
 
Put a lot of schools in the old Big XII South and they would have struggled.
That was 5 automatic losses when Mike Leach was at Tech.

So your saying Baylor's recent success is because they play in a weaker conference and OOC is weak as well.
 
No one gives a shit about history here, gramps

We are talking about the decisions of kids born in 2002..... by the time they grew up enough to know to even watch college football, it was the RGIII era at Baylor

Baylor has recruited better than WV the past 2 cycles
That is coming off a horrible season
 
So your saying Baylor's recent success is because they play in a weaker conference and OOC is weak as well.

There were a lot of factors that included Leach getting fired, A&M falling off, Texas falling off and after 2010 getting to play Iowa St and Kansas every year.

Since 2010 some schools like Kansas St, Iowa St and Kansas have had to play tougher schedules
 
So your saying Baylor's recent success is because they play in a weaker conference and OOC is weak as well.

The Big XII was at it's best in 2008-2009.
You had OU and UT continuing their success but you had programs like Mizzou, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech and Nebraska begin to challenge them.

2008 Texas is the only school to beat three straight Top 10 teams and they played a 4th but loss in Lubbock because of a dropped interception by a true freshman safety.


The conference in 2018 is heading back towards that direction.
WVU, TCU and Oklahoma St are Top 20 teams
Kansas St and Iowa St are getting better.
UT is on the verge of being a Top 10 team.

If everything continues the Big XII in 2019-2020 will be better than it was 10 years ago.
 
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That is why I like to look at recruiting classes being 2 year cycles.
Especially since 2016 had a lot of new coaches.

The 2018-2019 recruiting cycle.
The 19 class hasn't commited yet and can change dramatically

1. Texas 42. 543.63
2 Oklahoma 40 . 539.07
3. TCU 40 . 408.16
4. Baylor 38 . 380.91
5. Okie St 39 . 373.14
6. Iowa St 40. 372.10
7. WVU. 36. 363.69
8. Tech 33. 335.70
9. K State 28 . 255.63
10.Kansas 24 . 202.39

It wouldn't be surprising if Baylor started competing for a conference championship in 2019.

2019 these players will be 2nd year and first year players.
 
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Baylor competing means somebody has to fall lower. Who do you think that will be? We all know your answer.
 
Baylor competing means somebody has to fall lower. Who do you think that will be? We all know your answer.

Truthfully. Oklahoma State or WVU

Because of three reasons.

1) TCU, Iowa St and K state get the most out of their talent

2) Improvement of Texas will be noticed even more in 2018

3) Gundy and Dana are slowly putting themselves on the warm seat.
Not hot yet but both have been told to produce better


But......
Matt Rhule hasn't produced.
A 4 win season could kill him.
Especially if Tech hires a big name coah and moves in on Baylor recruits.
 
Drayton McClane and other wealthy BU boosters have given a lot of money to the program.
Even donations to the SBC goes to Baylor athletics.

They have been recruiting well and have Matt Rhule and Charlie Brewer.

There is a sense of optimism in Waco around their football program.

Correction: money from the BGCT goes to Baylor. No SBC funds go to support any school apart from the six SBC seminaries.
 
Truthfully. Oklahoma State or WVU

Because of three reasons.

1) TCU, Iowa St and K state get the most out of their talent

2) Improvement of Texas will be noticed even more in 2018

3) Gundy and Dana are slowly putting themselves on the warm seat.
Not hot yet but both have been told to produce better


But......
Matt Rhule hasn't produced.
A 4 win season could kill him.
Especially if Tech hires a big name coah and moves in on Baylor recruits.

K.State falling faster than Snyder retirement day. 34-20 in Big 12 since WVU joined. 25-19 since 2014. 14-13 over the past 2 seasons.

Texas fans have been waiting for Texas return since 2010. Iowa State has had 1 good season and everyone is naming them national champs. TCU has the best coaching staff in of Big 12. Yet they seem to be up and down.

This is a one team conference at the moment. Oklahoma.
 
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K.State falling faster than Snyder retirement day. 34-20 in Big 12 since WVU joined. 25-19 since 2014. 14-13 over the past 2 seasons.

Texas fans have been waiting for Texas return since 2010. Iowa State has had 1 good season and everyone is naming them national champs. TCU has the best coaching staff in of Big 12. Yet they seem to be up and down.

This is a one team conference at the moment. Oklahoma.

Truthfully Kansas State this year is very dangerous because of their OL.
They have the best OL in CFB not just the Big XII.

You have to follow trends.
The trend of Iowa State is up.
The trend of TCU is up.

The trend of particularly Oklahoma St is down.

To get back to OL.
Texas had the fifth best defense last year in CFB in terms of efficiency.

Their offense was ranked in the 60's or 70's. A 35 in offense efficiency.

The question will be if Texas has improved OL and better QB play the offense efficiency numbers move to the 60's meaning a Top 30 offense.

A offense efficiency in the 60's and a defense 85 or above puts Texas with teams like Clemson, Alabama, Georgia and Wisconsin.

This is why the FPI, Vegas and anyone who looks at the numbers is high on Texas.

People outside of Texas have higher expectations for 2018 than the fanbase.
 
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K.State falling faster than Snyder retirement day. 34-20 in Big 12 since WVU joined. 25-19 since 2014. 14-13 over the past 2 seasons.

Texas fans have been waiting for Texas return since 2010. Iowa State has had 1 good season and everyone is naming them national champs. TCU has the best coaching staff in of Big 12. Yet they seem to be up and down.

This is a one team conference at the moment. Oklahoma.

Yet.....

Oklahoma will not be challenged by outscoring them.
That is playing into their hands. Just look at Oklahoma St last year.
Baylor was able to but Baylor had the talent to do so and actually a better offensive mind at the time.
I guess WVU this year has a chance because of Grier and the WRs

But....

The other side of the coin will be teams that are building from the inside out.
To me the 4 teams with a chance are

Texas
TCU
Iowa St
Kansas St


They all have their pluses and minuses but they all have a similar mindset
Control the clock. Get the ball to playmakers and develop a run game not determined on the pass
Texas and TCU more than the others have studs on defense.
Multiple pass rushers
Speed and size at LB
Texas has the Death Secondary this year.
Their secondary has a chance in the next 3 years to equal LSU in 2010 and 2011.
 
Texas has not met expectations in many years now. All that talent and nothing to show for it.

TCU is no longer a time consuming drive type team they score with big plays and do best with a dual threat QB. They changed when they got the 2 new OC's. Although one has since left. Their defense is there but can be scored on.

Iowa State has improved drastically but still could not beat an injury riddled WVU team. They only managed 16 points against terrible defense.

Kansas State a good team but not what they use to be.

Oklahoma State a WVU type team. Both are like a box of chocolates. You never know what your going to get from week to week.

Oklahoma is top dog until somebody proves otherwise.

Taking Baylor lightly would be a mistake by anybody. Play all game or you might just lose. They remind me what Iowa State use to be.

Texas Tech is a mystery novel. You don't know what the ending will be.

WVU an unknown but high praise. If they live up to the hype then something good will happen. Me I think they only deliver an 8-4 season.

Kansas well it will be basketball soon.
 
Truthfully Kansas State this year is very dangerous because of their OL.
They have the best OL in CFB not just the Big XII.

You have to follow trends.
The trend of Iowa State is up.
The trend of TCU is up.

The trend of particularly Oklahoma St is down.

To get back to OL.
Texas had the fifth best defense last year in CFB in terms of efficiency.

Their offense was ranked in the 60's or 70's. A 35 in offense efficiency.

The question will be if Texas has improved OL and better QB play the offense efficiency numbers move to the 60's meaning a Top 30 offense.

A offense efficiency in the 60's and a defense 85 or above puts Texas with teams like Clemson, Alabama, Georgia and Wisconsin.

This is why the FPI, Vegas and anyone who looks at the numbers is high on Texas.

People outside of Texas have higher expectations for 2018 than the fanbase.

Keep dreaming Tex. Your team just isn't what it use to be.
 
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