Backyard Brawl

[eers-to-ya]

I know what I'm about to say makes no sense, but I'm saying it anyway. I realize the ByB is a big deal. The history, the nearness of the schools, the hatred on both sides, I get it. I remember the 63 - 48 WV win. I was fourteen years old. Went to one in Pburg when I was 20, with a sweet little girl from Swissvale. WV won. I went to the 88 game in Pburg. Watched A B Brown break a tackle at the line of scrimmage and run it 80 yards straight at me for a touchdown. It makes sense to renew the series, though I don't think it should be hit and miss. If they do it it should be permanent. That said, given the disrespect so many of the sPitt fans exhibit toward WVU and WVians in general. Given the school's arrogance and scheming, conniving attitude over the years, particularly the sabotaging of a chance to have a decent eastern conference back in the eighties. Given the fact that one half of the equation involves sPitt and sPitt fans, I don't care if it's never renewed. That's how much I hate that pitiful excuse of a program, which, ironically, makes for a very good rivalry and an obvious reason to renew the series. Oh, the humanity.

My apologies, I guess I should have posted this in a thread below. Old man brain fart.









This post was edited on 4/15 11:00 AM by eers-to-ya

 

[KeatonsCorner]

It's a valuable, both monetarily and football-wise, game for WVU. Large pockets of alumni in Western PA and Eastern Ohio (who likely already commute to home games) and it would continue to strengthen our already-strong hold on recruiting in the WPIAA and Eastern Ohio areas.

It obviously doesn't "need" to be played........... no OOC game does. But WVU would benefit from it.

 

[xWVU2010x]

The game should always be played. I would love to trade the boring Maryland "rivalry" for the Pitt game. It is a guaranteed national TV game that draws outside interest, there are very few opponents outside of the blue bloods who would never sign up to a permanent home and home with us that would draw that kind of interest or exposure. Plus we usually win, yes Pitt owns the series but the last 20 years or so have been in our favor and we are likely to continue being the better program.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Keatons right about the interest of WVU being served with recruiting territory, same goes for Maryland....... and that's a good enough reason, along with a boat-load of alumnus in both areas, to keep both these games on the schedule.

 

[motownbilly]

It is definitely a better OOC game than Liberty, directional Michigan or directional Georgia or directional anything else. But just how much better? Pitt is probably as bad as the Pitt program has ever been. Cannnot keep a coach, no student fans, no stadium, no nothin except an old fan base that remembers when. Certainly, they are not fans of the current program. That being said, Western Pa is rich with high school talent that we can use. We were the whipping boy for years with Pitt and Penn State claiming the top recruits, but the worm has turned. We need to own Western Pa (dispite Whanny's wall) and have every kid in that part of the state having WVU number 1 and Pitt and PSU following. I grew up hating Pitt and 60 plus years later I still hate Pitt, but I love beating them. Bring the game back and we will fill Heniz Field with Mountaineer Fans. BEAT THE HELL OUTTA PITT!!! HEY!! Pitt is and will always be a four letter word.

 

[torontoeers]

I'd rather it than the Maryland game...if only for the venom between their miniscule fanbase and ours...My first game was a Brawl and the atmosphere was electric...who knows if that can be re-created now with the state of their program. As I understand it'd likely be 7 or 8 years down the road anyway...better late than never I suppose....

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

Play the game.

And Joe Paterno and PSU did plenty to sabatage the eastern conference. They played the conference idea about like Texas does - My way or it is not going to happen. Joe Pa insisted on much larger payouts to PSU than the other schools would get.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

KeatonsCorner:



It's a valuable, both monetarily and football-wise, game for WVU. Large pockets of alumni in Western PA and Eastern Ohio (who likely already commute to home games) and it would continue to strengthen our already-strong hold on recruiting in the WPIAA and Eastern Ohio areas.

It obviously doesn't "need" to be played........... no OOC game does. But WVU would benefit from it.



PaintedontheSky:



Keatons right about the interest of WVU being served with recruiting territory, same goes for Maryland....... and that's a good enough reason, along with a boat-load of alumnus in both areas, to keep both these games on the schedule.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I get both comments, but what do we really gain from a now lower tier ACC school? Granted a Home & Home with Pitt is really two home games, given that their fans won't travel and also don't show up for home games either.

Maryland, now in the B1G 10 is actually a better game from an OOC perspective.

I'd rather see an OOC game like an SEC Vanderbilt, a program rising, or a UK as a border rival. Even Ole Miss or Miss. St out of the SEC would be a better value schedule-wise.

How about renewing Miami if you want an ACC school with some history. That would be awesome!

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

Pitt and Maryland should be games we play every year.

They are regional and traditional rivalries.

They are huge money makers for each school.

The BYB is a guaranteed national broadcast which is also big money.


Two of our biggest recruiting areas are WPIAL and DMV.

With the selection committee's emphasis on strength of schedual it is a no brainer to play other Power 5 conference teams now in our OOC games.


Its really a win-win for everyone involved.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

1st time in a long time I've disagreed with Toronto on a Football matter.

1. Could care less if the BY Brawl is EVER played again. WVU took 10-20k to Heinz most every time. Pitt brought between 10-20 to New Mountaineer Field. Who really benefitted there? Our attendance is fine. Heinz is having more Pick a Seat Days than Marshall.

Btw apparently the BY Brawl is already being played Between those Powerhouse schools Pitt & Marshall. I wonder which school will break the 30k announced attendance first?. Also which venue will sell a scalped ticket online for more than an Abe Lincoln?

2. I'd rather play Maryland. Better TV game and a better recruiting area. Plus College Park doesn't require a Ferry to attend the game in a corporate stadium with no atmosphere. Heinz hasn't had an atmosphere since 2002 when Ben Collins picked off a pass intended for Larry Fitzgerald. Pitt is probably still playing the Chicago Bulls entrance music (as bad as WVU playing clips from "Varsity Blues") and piping in crowd noise like the Atlanta Falcons of the NFL.

 

[WiiWii]

Originally posted by eers-to-ya:
I know what I'm about to say makes no sense, but I'm saying it anyway. I realize the ByB is a big deal. The history, the nearness of the schools, the hatred on both sides, I get it. I remember the 63 - 48 WV win. I was fourteen years old. Went to one in Pburg when I was 20, with a sweet little girl from Swissvale. WV won. I went to the 88 game in Pburg. Watched A B Brown break a tackle at the line of scrimmage and run it 80 yards straight at me for a touchdown. It makes sense to renew the series, though I don't think it should be hit and miss. If they do it it should be permanent. That said, given the disrespect so many of the sPitt fans exhibit toward WVU and WVians in general. Given the school's arrogance and scheming, conniving attitude over the years, particularly the sabotaging of a chance to have a decent eastern conference back in the eighties. Given the fact that one half of the equation involves sPitt and sPitt fans, I don't care if it's never renewed. That's how much I hate that pitiful excuse of a program, which, ironically, makes for a very good rivalry and an obvious reason to renew the series. Oh, the humanity.

My apologies, I guess I should have posted this in a thread below. Old man brain fart.

I agree with everything you said. Pitt can rott in their own mediocrity...I hope we never play them again.

 

[torontoeers]

Originally posted by 3xWVUenginEER:
1st time in a long time I've disagreed with Toronto on a Football matter.

1. Could care less if the BY Brawl is EVER played again. WVU took 10-20k to Heinz most every time. Pitt brought between 10-20 to New Mountaineer Field. Who really benefitted there? Our attendance is fine. Heinz is having more Pick a Seat Days than Marshall.

Btw apparently the BY Brawl is already being played Between those Powerhouse schools Pitt & Marshall. I wonder which school will break the 30k announced attendance first?. Also which venue will sell a scalped ticket online for more than an Abe Lincoln?

2. I'd rather play Maryland. Better TV game and a better recruiting area. Plus College Park doesn't require a Ferry to attend the game in a corporate stadium with no atmosphere. Heinz hasn't had an atmosphere since 2002 when Ben Collins picked off a pass intended for Larry Fitzgerald. Pitt is probably still playing the Chicago Bulls entrance music (as bad as WVU playing clips from "Varsity Blues") and piping in crowd noise like the Atlanta Falcons of the NFL.

Understand your point for sure...perhaps I am harkening back to a different age? Strongly desire an opponent regularly we can really despise. I think the rivalries are gradually developing in the B 12 and a bit more time is needed...I suppose one upcoming on the sched is the cHokies. I look forward to smackin them around an awful lot! Also REALLY amped up for next years matchup with Mizzou at home....

 

[WiiWii]

Originally posted by KeatonsCorner:
It's a valuable, both monetarily and football-wise, game for WVU. Large pockets of alumni in Western PA and Eastern Ohio (who likely already commute to home games) and it would continue to strengthen our already-strong hold on recruiting in the WPIAA and Eastern Ohio areas.

It obviously doesn't "need" to be played........... no OOC game does. But WVU would benefit from it.

It is valuable...why?

- monetarily? not any more than lots of other games we could play.
- alumni? you are right, they already commute to home games, they are fine
- recruiting? are you kidding? seriously?

1. we do not have a "strong hold" in western PA...how many recruits have we gotten from there recently?
2. it is no longer a strong recruiting area anyway....who cares.
3. has NOTHING to do with Ohio. Why bring that into this at all? You want Ohio, play Cincinatti or tOSU

"No" to Pitt and "No" to these reasons for Pitt

 

[COOL MAN]

I'd absolutely like to see it happen......and couldn't care less if it doesn't.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

Agree. Playing a school 60 miles away will have zero impact on recruiting and our alumni from that area can easily go to WVU home games and enjoy a real college football game atmosphere. Playing Pitt really doesn't make any sense anymore.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by wbgvwbgv:
Agree. Playing a school 60 miles away will have zero impact on recruiting and our alumni from that area can easily go to WVU home games and enjoy a real college football game atmosphere. Playing Pitt really doesn't make any sense anymore.

What makes you think that, wbgv?

 

[wbgvwbgv]

WVU already has a huge presence in that area ( students, alumni, athletes ) and I doubt playing Pitt every other year at Heinz Field will influence the choice of any football player from that area. Recruits can hop in a car and within a hour and half be in Morgantown. It is an easy drive for family and friends to Morgantown and they can watch WVU play some of the best programs in the country - Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor, TCU, etc.

Now the Baltimore - Washington D.C. area is different situation and WVU should do everything possible to increase our visibility in that region. Lyons should be trying to extend our series with Maryland and forget about Pitt.

 

[WiiWii]

"Lyons should be trying to extend our series with Maryland and forget about Pitt"

Could not agree more with this statement!
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by wbgvwbgv:
WVU already has a huge presence in that area ( students, alumni, athletes ) and I doubt playing Pitt every other year at Heinz Field will influence the choice of any football player from that area. Recruits can hop in a car and within a hour and half be in Morgantown. It is an easy drive for family and friends to Morgantown and they can watch WVU play some of the best programs in the country - Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor, TCU, etc.

Now the Baltimore - Washington D.C. area is different situation and WVU should do everything possible to increase our visibility in that region. Lyons should be trying to extend our series with Maryland and forget about Pitt.

Couldn't agree more with your thoughts on the Baltimore/DC area....... but, I understand that, and this came from recruiters, there's a lot of local influence on many of these recruits and a big influence is their high school coach. It's even hard to get into some of these places as the athletes are walled-off by people with other interests. Recruiting territory is staked out by various schools and there's lots of negative stuff fed to these athletes about other schools.

Western PA is one of those fertile grounds and the Mountaineers are competing for athletes against the likes of Pitt, Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame and others, so that sure as the dickens says something about the quality of players there.

I mean there's been and continues to be some really good players coming out of that region, as well as Ohio. And I know you know recruiting, and by that I mean recruiting top notch players, is the absolute life-blood of a college football program if the program is looking to be a winning, championship, or title contending program.

If playing Pitt helps the Mountaineers recruiting efforts, and I have no reason to think it wouldn't, then to me that alone is reason enough to play the game.

I despise what Pitt and Syracuse didn't do, but I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[WiiWii]

Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion? Why not New York or New Jersey? They border PA. Point is this has nothing to do with Ohio so you can use that as a reason to play them. I live in PA and I used to live in Ohio. There is very little cross over.

Now regarding how great an area it is. I believe last year there were 2 top 150 recruits in western PA. 2! This year should be better and yes it is better than the wasteland that is WV (for recruits) but, as you say, it is re ruined by Notre dame, OSU, PSU, WVU and Pitt. You are also correct that the community feeds these kids tons of false information about WVU academics, about fan behavior and so on. Play don't play, that will NOT change!

Play Maryland, first, don't play Pitt. They don't deserve our help.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[TIREPUNK]

We have no rivals now. As much as we want to think some of our B12 brethren may think of us as a potential rival....they don't. Rivalries are the life blood of sport and we have nobody right now.

I live amongst these scum and believe me the average spitt fan wants the game.

This post was edited on 4/16 9:09 AM by TIREPUNK

 

[xWVU2010x]

I never understood this logic of "if you play games in that region it helps our recruiting". I seriously doubt a single recruit looks at our future schedules to see if there is a chance that they will spend a 1-2 day road game trip near their hometown at some point over their 4-5 year career.

Play interesting games that get on national TV and that increases your visibility. Playing a noon game against a mediocre and uninteresting Maryland program on ESPN2 is not greater than a rivalry game against Pitt during Thanksgiving weekend on ABC.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Western PA and Eastern OH recruits:

2016:

Commits

Logan Thimons
Zach Sandwisch
Jeremiah Jones

Uncommitted with offer

Kaezon Pugh
Damar Hamlin
Andrew Pryts
Aaron Mathews
Khaleke Hudson
Rashad Wheeler
Tymar Sutton
Kobay White (Harrisburg, so this might not factor in)
Anthony Long (Harrisburg as well)
Brendan Ferns
Justin Layne
Nik Urban

Uncommitted without offer

Jake Buccigrossi
Aidan Howard
Joe Joe Headon (Harrisburg)
Jack Wohlabaugh
Josh Sills


All of those recruits are 3-star or better. All are in Western PA or an hour's drive into OH.............. and that is just the 2016 class. To say WVU isn't heavily invested in the area, as far as recruiting, is moronic.


This post was edited on 4/16 9:29 AM by KeatonsCorner

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by WiiWii:
Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion? Why not New York or New Jersey? They border PA. Point is this has nothing to do with Ohio so you can use that as a reason to play them. I live in PA and I used to live in Ohio. There is very little cross over.

Now regarding how great an area it is. I believe last year there were 2 top 150 recruits in western PA. 2! This year should be better and yes it is better than the wasteland that is WV (for recruits) but, as you say, it is re ruined by Notre dame, OSU, PSU, WVU and Pitt. You are also correct that the community feeds these kids tons of false information about WVU academics, about fan behavior and so on. Play don't play, that will NOT change!

Play Maryland, first, don't play Pitt. They don't deserve our help.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

"Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion?"...... good gracious WiiWii, just take a look at the Mountaineers current roster.

And, Oh, Hell Yes!!! New York and New Jersey matter and they matter a bunch, Hell, Penn State has owned New Jersey for decades and EVERYBODY recruits Jersey.

..... and btw, you do know where Daryl Worley, Wendell Smallwood and Dontae Angus are from don't you? Philly, PA, Wilmington DEL, and Philly, PA...... right across the river from Jersey.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
I never understood this logic of "if you play games in that region it helps our recruiting". I seriously doubt a single recruit looks at our future schedules to see if there is a chance that they will spend a 1-2 day road game trip near their hometown at some point over their 4-5 year career.

Play interesting games that get on national TV and that increases your visibility. Playing a noon game against a mediocre and uninteresting Maryland program on ESPN2 is not greater than a rivalry game against Pitt during Thanksgiving weekend on ABC.

....just be mindful that just because you "never understood this logic" and you "seriously doubt" that doesn't make it untrue or wrong.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by TIREPUNK:
We have no rivals now. As much as we want to think some of our B12 brethren may think of us as a potential rival....they don't. Rivalries are the life blood of sport and we have nobody right now.

I live amongst these scum and believe me the average spitt fan wants the game.


This post was edited on 4/16 9:09 AM by TIREPUNK

Of course they do, just as many, many Mountaineer Fans do....... and as far as rivals go, there's not nearly as much of that still around as there once was, conference realignment was a poison pill for that very enjoyable aspect of college football.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

We were in a conference with all of our so called rivals and every team in the conference did everything possible to leave as soon as they had the chance - so much for the life blood theory. WVU has never been in a better position than they are now and the home schedules have never been better IMO. This is by far the strongest conference that WVU has ever competed in and the national exposure is as good as it gets.

At one time Pitt was a consistent top 10 program, played their games on campus in a full stadium, got the best recruits in the nation, and had outstanding coaches. Look at Pitt now and the glory days aren't coming back anytime soon. Pitt is barely better than Temple these days and things are only going to get worse. Pitt had the worst recruiting class last year of all the Power 5 Conference schools.

Playing Pitt does little for WVU's football program, and Lyons indicated that nothing was going to happen for at least another 7 or 8 years anyway. A low priority as it should be.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

 

[skygusty]

Schedule them every so often if it is beneficial - but not every year.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

Just a friendly suggestion....... you might want to mindful of and think about that statement. As it's the very same statement that was made and the very same attitude that was prevalent before and during this latest metamorphosis of college football that has college football where it is today.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

Just a friendly suggestion....... you might want to mindful of and think about that statement. As it's the very same statement that was made and the very same attitude that was prevalent before and during this latest metamorphosis of college football that has college football where it is today.

Apples and oranges. You don't significantly increase your cut of the TV revenus based on OOC schedules. TV money forced realignment. TV money is not forcing us into never playing Pitt again, its both schools stubbornness to not want to make it seem like they need their rival. I don't think either "needs" each other, it would just be an entertaining game regardless of records, that would draw some good ratings, and its an easy road trip for both schools. Oh and we would probably win if the last 20 years of the rivalry were any indication.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

Just a friendly suggestion....... you might want to mindful of and think about that statement. As it's the very same statement that was made and the very same attitude that was prevalent before and during this latest metamorphosis of college football that has college football where it is today.

Apples and oranges. You don't significantly increase your cut of the TV revenus based on OOC schedules. TV money forced realignment. TV money is not forcing us into never playing Pitt again, its both schools stubbornness to not want to make it seem like they need their rival. I don't think either "needs" each other, it would just be an entertaining game regardless of records, that would draw some good ratings, and its an easy road trip for both schools. Oh and we would probably win if the last 20 years of the rivalry were any indication.

Apples and oranges my ass....... I'm talking about the statement and the attitude. And those, my friend, are exactly alike, just like two peas in a pod.

It's exactly the same thing that has happened with the College Football Playoff and the 4 team model. It's been in effect for one year and it's shortcomings/menial effects, although known/overanalyzed before hand, are already under scrunity and criticism.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

Just a friendly suggestion....... you might want to mindful of and think about that statement. As it's the very same statement that was made and the very same attitude that was prevalent before and during this latest metamorphosis of college football that has college football where it is today.

Apples and oranges. You don't significantly increase your cut of the TV revenus based on OOC schedules. TV money forced realignment. TV money is not forcing us into never playing Pitt again, its both schools stubbornness to not want to make it seem like they need their rival. I don't think either "needs" each other, it would just be an entertaining game regardless of records, that would draw some good ratings, and its an easy road trip for both schools. Oh and we would probably win if the last 20 years of the rivalry were any indication.

Apples and oranges my ass....... I'm talking about the statement and the attitude. And those, my friend, are exactly alike, just like two peas in a pod.

It's exactly the same thing that has happened with the College Football Playoff and the 4 team model. It's been in effect for one year and it's shortcomings/menial effects, although known/overanalyzed before hand, are already under scrunity and criticism.

Lol what?

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by xWVU2010x:
Rivalries make a sport where 95% of the teams are not in contention for the championship before week 1, interesting. Everyone can act like they're too good for Pitt and our 100 year old rivalry with them all they want, but if we actually played them do not act like you wouldnt be more excited than playing Temple, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, Maryland, or any of the other mediocre programs in the region.

1 game that plays for 3 hours is not going to make or break either program, just like playing Alabama last season will have no effect on either program. It is just an enjoyable game, everyone in this thread is overanalyzing the menial effects of playing Pitt vs. Maryland vs. Cincy vs. Whoever. What is wrong with playing a guaranteed national TV game that is enjoyable for the fans?

Just a friendly suggestion....... you might want to mindful of and think about that statement. As it's the very same statement that was made and the very same attitude that was prevalent before and during this latest metamorphosis of college football that has college football where it is today.

Apples and oranges. You don't significantly increase your cut of the TV revenus based on OOC schedules. TV money forced realignment. TV money is not forcing us into never playing Pitt again, its both schools stubbornness to not want to make it seem like they need their rival. I don't think either "needs" each other, it would just be an entertaining game regardless of records, that would draw some good ratings, and its an easy road trip for both schools. Oh and we would probably win if the last 20 years of the rivalry were any indication.

Apples and oranges my ass....... I'm talking about the statement and the attitude. And those, my friend, are exactly alike, just like two peas in a pod.

It's exactly the same thing that has happened with the College Football Playoff and the 4 team model. It's been in effect for one year and it's shortcomings/menial effects, although known/overanalyzed before hand, are already under scrunity and criticism.

Lol what?

WHAT???? Damn son, you do have to have things explained to you, don't you.

This post was edited on 4/16 3:55 PM by PaintedontheSky

 

[WiiWii]

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by WiiWii:
Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion? Why not New York or New Jersey? They border PA. Point is this has nothing to do with Ohio so you can use that as a reason to play them. I live in PA and I used to live in Ohio. There is very little cross over.

Now regarding how great an area it is. I believe last year there were 2 top 150 recruits in western PA. 2! This year should be better and yes it is better than the wasteland that is WV (for recruits) but, as you say, it is re ruined by Notre dame, OSU, PSU, WVU and Pitt. You are also correct that the community feeds these kids tons of false information about WVU academics, about fan behavior and so on. Play don't play, that will NOT change!

Play Maryland, first, don't play Pitt. They don't deserve our help.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

"Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion?"...... good gracious WiiWii, just take a look at the Mountaineers current roster.

And, Oh, Hell Yes!!! New York and New Jersey matter and they matter a bunch, Hell, Penn State has owned New Jersey for decades and EVERYBODY recruits Jersey.

..... and btw, you do know where Daryl Worley, Wendell Smallwood and Dontae Angus are from don't you? Philly, PA, Wilmington DEL, and Philly, PA...... right across the river from Jersey.

Let me spell it out for you. Pitt is NOT in Ohio, New Jersey or New
York. Playing them has ZERO impact on recruiting in those states (or
eastern PA) and very little influence on recruiting in western PA. The recruiting argument is lame...

 

[PaintedontheSky]

Originally posted by WiiWii:

Originally posted by PaintedontheSky:

Originally posted by WiiWii:
Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion? Why not New York or New Jersey? They border PA. Point is this has nothing to do with Ohio so you can use that as a reason to play them. I live in PA and I used to live in Ohio. There is very little cross over.

Now regarding how great an area it is. I believe last year there were 2 top 150 recruits in western PA. 2! This year should be better and yes it is better than the wasteland that is WV (for recruits) but, as you say, it is re ruined by Notre dame, OSU, PSU, WVU and Pitt. You are also correct that the community feeds these kids tons of false information about WVU academics, about fan behavior and so on. Play don't play, that will NOT change!

Play Maryland, first, don't play Pitt. They don't deserve our help.


Posted from Rivals Mobile

"Why does Ohio keep coming to this discussion?"...... good gracious WiiWii, just take a look at the Mountaineers current roster.

And, Oh, Hell Yes!!! New York and New Jersey matter and they matter a bunch, Hell, Penn State has owned New Jersey for decades and EVERYBODY recruits Jersey.

..... and btw, you do know where Daryl Worley, Wendell Smallwood and Dontae Angus are from don't you? Philly, PA, Wilmington DEL, and Philly, PA...... right across the river from Jersey.

Let me spell it out for you. Pitt is NOT in Ohio, New Jersey or New
York. Playing them has ZERO impact on recruiting in those states (or
eastern PA) and very little influence on recruiting in western PA. The recruiting argument is lame...

O.K., WiiWii......... since you like spelling, give this a try to help determine just how lame the recruiting argument is.


Step # 1 - Take WVU's roster and list the players and the states they came from.

Step # 2 - Take Pitt's roster and list the players and the states they come from.

Step # 3 - Add-up the number of players from each state from each roster.

Step # 4 - Compare the two lists as to where the roster players came from.

Step # 5 - Research the recruiting sites from both rosters and list which schools recruited them.

Step # 6 - Now, using that data and information..... let me know the number of players both WVU & Pitt recruited.

 

[VaultHunter]

I miss the Backyard Brawl. Probably because I have personally been to 9 of them and the games are always so entertaining from a football standpoint.

To me it kinda seems like a no brainer because it gives both schools a great ooc matchup and it also gives both schools an ooc matchup that is close in proximity.

The powers that be need to put their egos aside and get this done. No excuse for WVU playing Townson or Maryland or BYU ect just the same for Pitt playing Akron and Ohio and Navy ect and saying scheduling this game is dern near impossible.

Give me a break

If Michigan or Ohio State left the Big10 I think its a safe bet that they would do whatever it took to keep the OSU Michigan game alive.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Forget Pitt, keep MD on the schedule.

 

[79eer]

Beats the heck out playing Iowa St during Rivalry Week. Nothing against the Big 12, but it will be a long time before any of those teams will ever be considered a rivalry in any way shape or form. If and when that occurs the away team will be lucky to have a 1000 fans at the game. Probably going to happen since it would most likely benefit both programs as well as schools and fan bases.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Very good points that I agree with completely. It helps each school in many ways and is very valuable in recruiting as well.

Originally posted by BobbyBoucheer:
Pitt and Maryland should be games we play every year.

They are regional and traditional rivalries.

They are huge money makers for each school.

The BYB is a guaranteed national broadcast which is also big money.


Two of our biggest recruiting areas are WPIAL and DMV.

With the selection committee's emphasis on strength of schedual it is a no brainer to play other Power 5 conference teams now in our OOC games.


Its really a win-win for everyone involved.