Amazing stat about Pitt...
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If pointing out the truth is an insult .... then so be it. Somebody close to the situation needs to call a spade a spade concerning sPitt football.
What you are missing is the Peak is the biggest homer of them all. Ever wonder who bans every WVU poster that dares comment on that board? Look no further...
How many chances have they had? Notre Dame isn't in a conference, and Utah wasn't P5 when they played them. So they're 0-2 with losses to NC State and Iowa? Not really that crazy.
Well, that factoid is counting the Domers as a power conference opponent because there's no other Pitt road win in 2008 which could meet the definition. From a practical standpoint, I think that's fine. The BCS quite clearly treated ND as such.
If you wanted to get really technical, however, Pitt's last non-ND non-conference road win against a power conference opponent came back in 2003 at Texas A&M. You might want to put an asterisk on their 2009 bowl win against North Carolina in Charlotte, though. Officially those are neutral games, but that opponent in that venue probably is not in any realistic sense.
If you wanted to get really technical, however, Pitt's last non-ND non-conference road win against a power conference opponent came back in 2003 at Texas A&M. You might want to put an asterisk on their 2009 bowl win against North Carolina in Charlotte, though. Officially those are neutral games, but that opponent in that venue probably is not in any realistic sense.
Truth. I hear a lot of Pitt bashing on here but since 2012 WVU is 20-20 while Pitt is 21-19, yet our fans seem to act like we are far superior to them.
Let's win some Big 12 games and then we can talk.
Yeah, I honestly don't find it that crazy either. Outside of Maryland our last out of conference road win against a P5 team was Mississippi State in 2006. In that time in non conference, road, P5 games we went 3-1 Maryland, 0-1 LSU, 0-1 Auburn, 0-1 Colorado.
Hasn't pitt lost to.a 1-aa school like Youngstown State? And wasn't that like 2-3 years back, or should I say 2-3 coaches back? To me that's more pathetic than even their half filled rented Steelers Stadium, and half filled may be over estimating it, well obviously.
Losing a game like that means you can't talk until at least everyone on that team is gone. Good news for the head coach is he'll be leaving soon if history is any indicator.
Losing a game like that means you can't talk until at least everyone on that team is gone. Good news for the head coach is he'll be leaving soon if history is any indicator.
I see it the other way, Pitt needs to beat Iowa and other Power Conference Teams and Pitt hiring Athletic Director Steve Pederson after being fired by Nebraska insulted Pitt and making excuses for his lack of vision was part of the problem. No one is to blame for not winning more games the last 5 years at Pitt, but Pitt, and up to Coach Pat & Staff to change it!
One thing about Pitt fans that you can't debate, most of us are well aware we have not been a very good team for a long time. Its not like we are fans who think we were a few ref screwjobs away from being 13-0 instead of 7-5..
Are we all just supposed to hop on Ohio State or Alabama bandwagon?
Are we all just supposed to hop on Ohio State or Alabama bandwagon?
And not all WVU fans are too blind to see that we've been sub-par since the Clemson win. Some of those years we were outright awful! About he only thing we have to hold our head up about was at least we still had people in the stands to see the horrific play.
In other news......when sPitt players walked out on the field to play Iowa they amused to themselves....."This is what playing in front of fans is like"
I do know this Numbersup, questioning WVU's superiority to Pitt excludes you from using the word "our" when talking to a Mountaineer.
Their schedule is a joke compared with ours. We'd be 32-8 if we'd have played their schedule since 2012. The ACC sucks.
Bullshit. The Big 12 isn't that much better than the ACC. ISU and Kansas should be freebies, and UT has been horrible since we joined the league, but we still struggle against them.
This program has been on the wrong side of some epic beatdowns since Dana has been here. Baylor, KSU, and Maryland just to name a few.
Ok....I know I have been away from this site for most of the year but is that really getyour off the Dana bandwagon.......
Well, the facts don't back up your opinion. Sagarin has only 3 of 14 ACC teams ranked in the Top 25. There are 5 of 10 XII teams in that category. The XII, with only 10 of the 64 Power 5 programs (16%) has 25% of the highest rated teams. The ACC, which has 14 of the 64 Power 5 programs (22%) has only 12% of the highest ranked programs, and due to the fact that they only play 8 league games, most ACC teams don't even play them in a given year. Making the disparity even greater than that is that of the highest rated teams, the XII has 2 in the Top 10 category and the ACC has zero.
There is a vast difference in quality between the XII and the ACC, and the odds of facing a quality opponent in the ACC are less than half of that of playing in the XII. I stand by my statement... 32-8 or better playing in the ACC.
Most programs have ups and downs, and Dana has done a good job of putting the right ingredients in place. Who you you suggest could be doing a better job? If you are thinking the disgusting traitor Rodriguez, did you happen to see how his Arizona team performed this weekend?
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Not to mention you don't have to play everyone in the ACC. Pitt only plays Clemson and/or FSU occasionally (only play them 3 times over the next 8 seasons in the regular season and only once over the next 4 seasons - Clemson in 2016). And they are in the Coastal Division, which outside of Georgia Tech, is an absolute joke. So it is a complete apples to orangutans comparison when it comes to scheduling.
No one would argue that geographically, the Big 12 is tough for us. But to say that the ACC is just as tough in football is laughable. While the Big 12 has Kansas & Iowa State, just like every other league has bottom feeders, the rest of the league is solid. Granted Texas is down, but there is no way you can argue that they don't have a TON of talent. And you can't avoid anyone in the Big 12 like you can in the ACC. You have to go through the big dogs every season. Big difference.
Not to mention compare our records when we were in the Big East together. That was head to head & comparable schedules. There is a definite separation when you look at it that way (WVU 14 wins Pitt 7 wins head to head - WVU 3 BCS wins Pitt ZERO BCS wins). It isn't too far of a leap to say that our schedule got a little bit tougher than theirs when we joined the Big 12 and they went to the ACC.
Having said that we are all tired of the mediocre seasons. It's time to make a move up the ladder this season and I hope this is the year we do it. Not going to be easy though. October is brutal.
I wasn't going to get into this until you said the program has been on the wrong side since Dana has been here. It is clear you do not know anything about college football or what it takes to destroy a team or build a team.
Are you going to deny about being on the wrong side of some of worst ass kickings in program history? Baylor could have scored 100 on us if they wanted, they had almost 60 points at halftime. How about losing 49-14 and 55-14 to TT and KSU? Or the 37-0 debacle to Maryland.
Face it, Dana's teams have been mediocre at best since we've joined the Big 12. The record speaks for itself, and that's not to say the guy before him was a good coach either, because he wasn't.
I'd say he's pretty spot on. All of our Big XII losses weren't to good teams. In the same time frame that we're calling Pitt. out for we've lost to ECU, Kansas (twice), Iowa State, Maryland (37-0 when they weren't good), Syracuse (three times when they weren't good), and UConn. We had to go to OT to beat Marshall, got 70 hung on us, lost by four touchdowns or more a couple times, and our defense looked like they were playing cricket instead of football until last season. The phrase "Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house!" comes to mind.
Granted we haven't lost to YSU or been a doormat in the FSU, Clemson and no one else league. BUt we haven't exactly burned up the tarmac either.
When did we lose to Kansas twice? Also - "all of our Big XII losses weren't to good teams"???? Oklahoma, Baylor, TCU & Kansas State were bad (most of the games were played while those teams were ranked in the top 25)?? Exaggerate much?
I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from with this negativity. What is your proposed alternative. We are our state's, by far, primary institution of higher learning in a state that routinely neglects that amazing resource in terms of appropriations in order to shove money at a money losing economic black hole in Huntington, competing in one of the best football conferences in America with the resources at out disposal. We can't afford to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, and the guy out in Arizona would alienate at least 80% of our fan base, not to mention the fact that he isn't really doing all that well coaching these days since others have gotten wise to his gimmick system.
You keep complaining about Dana. Well, I happen to think he is doing a commendable job and getting better at it. Instead of constantly carping negatives, why don't you offer viable alternatives if you think things are so bad. We're no longer playing as many sisters of the poor teams, so wins aren't going to be as easy to come by these days. I enjoy watching us play top flight talent, win or lose.
what I find amusing is when Getyour was a Danapologist....you guys were part of his minion crew!!! Now he has a differing opinion and you guys throw him under the bus
OK Numbers give me one victory for Pitt over a top 10 team in that time frame.....
Just one.
I'll wait
Just one.
I'll wait
ok we didn't lose to Kansas twice. We did give them their first conference win in how long? And last I checked Kansas was BigXII team and they aren't good. That in itself makes my statement true. There was also the loss to ISU when we battling for the cellar, had a lead and then got beat. ISU was a bad team that year. All saying I'm is these last few years probably isn't the best time to bring on the trash talk. We have been just as woeful as Pitt. When it comes to wins and losses. So we lost to better teams? Moral victory much??!
Was Dana there for just the 24 pt loss to Syracuse, or was he there for the 49-23 one in 2011 as well?
Anyway it seems to me hes figuring it out, slower than you probably would have liked but a lot more confidence in him going forward than i had a couple years ago.
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