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Nijel Pack just inked this deal and a car per CBSSports. A good player on a 14-17 team from a small town in a small population state just got this kind of cheddar to move to a school in a larger market? And this is just ONE deal, there is only room for more from here.

I know Weber retired, but a player that could only elevate his team to a 14-17 record is getting this kind of a deal? It would be like Sherman getting a 500K deal for his contributions to WVU this season. Miami as a program has most certainly not preformed at the level WVU or KSU has for the last 2 decades.

So imagine what it would take to keep a combination of DeSean Butler, Kevin Jones, Devin Ebanks, and Joe Mazzulla together when other schools on WVU's level or higher are offering 500K deals per player? Obviously as evidenced by KSU this year, you need to retain more than one to avoid a losing season. 3 or more if you actually want to compete for an NCAA appearance with at least a chance of making it past the first weekend. Would need to retain all 4 and then some if you want to maybe sneak in to steal a national title appearance.
 

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There is no loyalty in college sports anymore. Colleges haven't even begun paying players a contract salary which I see coming. Right now it's just rich alumni offering a kid a large amount of money. No longer takes offense, defense to win a title you also need to buy one.
 
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Nijel Pack just inked this deal and a car per CBSSports. A good player on a 14-17 team from a small town in a small population state just got this kind of cheddar to move to a school in a larger market? And this is just ONE deal, there is only room for more from here.

I know Weber retired, but a player that could only elevate his team to a 14-17 record is getting this kind of a deal? It would be like Sherman getting a 500K deal for his contributions to WVU this season. Miami as a program has most certainly not preformed at the level WVU or KSU has for the last 2 decades.

So imagine what it would take to keep a combination of DeSean Butler, Kevin Jones, Devin Ebanks, and Joe Mazzulla together when other schools on WVU's level or higher are offering 500K deals per player? Obviously as evidenced by KSU this year, you need to retain more than one to avoid a losing season. 3 or more if you actually want to compete for an NCAA appearance with at least a chance of making it past the first weekend. Would need to retain all 4 and then some if you want to maybe sneak in to steal a national title appearance.
I saw this article on another forum its all speculative but I can see it playing out the way he envisions.

 
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I saw this article on another forum its all speculative but I can see it playing out the way he envisions.

I hope it does.

The NCAA is absolutely pointless as I’ve stated many times. The most pivotal event in the history of college athletics and the NCAA governance was the slap on the wrist at Penn St. for harboring a child molester to protect a football team.

After that debacle, as well as the continuing debacle with Kansas and the FBI, they are pointless.

I’m very, very curious and watching Notre Dame during all of this. I do not foresee the Catholic Church paying for big money for players with the possibility making a player bigger than the university. Keep an eye on BYU too. If these guys wanted to, they could buy every five star prospect with a salary that would make NFL teams look like a traveling tee ball team.
 

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I hope it does.

The NCAA is absolutely pointless as I’ve stated many times. The most pivotal event in the history of college athletics and the NCAA governance was the slap on the wrist at Penn St. for harboring a child molester to protect a football team.

After that debacle, as well as the continuing debacle with Kansas and the FBI, they are pointless.

I’m very, very curious and watching Notre Dame during all of this. I do not foresee the Catholic Church paying for big money for players with the possibility making a player bigger than the university. Keep an eye on BYU too. If these guys wanted to, they could buy every five star prospect with a salary that would make NFL teams look like a traveling tee ball team.
Byu is small timers. The church has a lot of money but the boosters don't. Five star players aren't going to go to a place where they have to sign a social contract. The catholic church may not finance players directly but it doesn't stop the boosters from doing so. The majority of this money is coming from boosters at these places not the university directly.
 

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Revenues to the NCAA, conferences, schools, ADs and coaches are out of control. Good to see athletes actually able to receive some value for what they are doing even if it‘s not coming from the above sources.

The people raking in the money at various schools are going to have to get out of their old mindset and figure out ways to make staying at their institution worthwhile if they want to be part of the upper echelon.
 

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Student athletes should concentrate on the student part or go back to playing street ball. No patience for the new breed of me first types.
 
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Me first types--like the NCAA, conferences, schools, ADs and coaches? How is a coach making $3,000,000 a year and up, or a school raking in $200,000,000 a year from the accomplishments of its student athletes "amateur?"

About time the athletes can get something for what they provide, a shame it took this long. Soon they'll have to get a cut of the $8 billion they generate for everyone else as well.
 

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Just cancel Football and Basketball as college sports and let those leagues run their own minor leagues like Baseball does. Then if a kid leaves, he goes to the minors. If he stays, there is better continuity. This is not a good thing for college athletes/students. It may look like it at first, but most of these guys are never going to be a part of something good because their is no team anymore. Just the me attitude.
 

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BUCKY...I will agree with part of your post. In essence...schools spend way too much on children's games...admin costs... facilities...general support and more. Solution eliminate scholarships, celebrity coaches... while repurposing the land that the jock palaces sit on. DIII has it right. Student first. Can't cut the standard academics then go home.
 

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I saw this article on another forum its all speculative but I can see it playing out the way he envisions.


Whether officially or unofficially, we are looking at an attempt to distill the current D1 FB and basketball pool into 1/4-1/3 of what it is now to concentrate talent, viewers, and ultimately money.

But the point I am making is that this flies directly into the face of those on this website saying NIL's and instant transfer is no big deal. The idea that NIL deals only average 2K and thus only the studs of studs will see 6 figures going forward is based on nothing given this and the Mesidor incident.
 
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Byu is small timers. The church has a lot of money but the boosters don't. Five star players aren't going to go to a place where they have to sign a social contract. The catholic church may not finance players directly but it doesn't stop the boosters from doing so. The majority of this money is coming from boosters at these places not the university directly.
Dude boosters and the church money is still money……ND/BYU has a ton of money.
 
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Just cancel Football and Basketball as college sports and let those leagues run their own minor leagues like Baseball does. Then if a kid leaves, he goes to the minors. If he stays, there is better continuity. This is not a good thing for college athletes/students. It may look like it at first, but most of these guys are never going to be a part of something good because their is no team anymore. Just the me attitude.
The only ones with a "team" attitude has been the athletes. The coaches, ADs, schools, conferences and NCAA have been of the "me" attitude since the beginning--basically designed a system whereby the people earning the money couldn't have any of it, so that the people using them could get rich.

Funny how the same whining about the players never saw anything wrong with that, huh? So if a coach takes a "me" attitude, rakes in millions off the players backs and leaves whenever he or she wants, its all good? But the players are only part of the "team" if they want nothing for their sacrifice and hard work? Why exactly?
 

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BUCKY...I will agree with part of your post. In essence...schools spend way too much on children's games...admin costs... facilities...general support and more. Solution eliminate scholarships, celebrity coaches... while repurposing the land that the jock palaces sit on. DIII has it right. Student first. Can't cut the standard academics then go home.
Why is it that you feel if a student athlete gets some part of the $8 billion they generate each year, that somehow anything is different with the game(s)? Very strange thought process. Why is it so important to you that the athletes get $0? How does what they gain through hard work and sacrifice affect someone watching a game between athletes and teams they support?
 

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The problem isn't with a player making money. The problem is WHO pays them?

If Jack Black Cadillac wants to "sponsor" a kid to come/who comes to X University with a 100K deal - so be it. That's NIL right there.

This is basically what got Nevin Shapiro a 10 year prison sentence a decade ago. Today - its perfectly legal. I'm for capitalism - go for it.

It's different if the university is paying them. That means they are professionals. That opens up a whole different can of worms. That's been discussed ad nauseum.

Who cares how much the university rakes in? They are the ones who provided the platform for those players to play on. This includes such things as the stadium, the field, the "jocks and socks" and everything else who goes with it. That cost millions of dollars - money that is always going back for renovations, updates, and trying to keep up with the Jones'.

So, one can't get upset when a school pays 3 or 10 million for a coach. It's free market capitalism at its finest. The market determines that coaches worth. It's the same thing some want the players but want to deny others.

PS: Communism and socialism are failing ideas. Never have worked, never will. Stay away from failing ideas, kids.
 

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Dude boosters and the church money is still money……ND/BYU has a ton of money.
Do you know anything about the LDS church? BYU isn't using that money to buy players. Its the boosters that are paying them. If that were the case then why aren't five star players flocking to their door step now. If Byu had as much pull as you seem to suggest then why did it take them so long to land in the power 5. If you don't see Catholics paying the big money then the Mormons certainty won't. Comparing the boosters and buying power of the catholic population to that of the Mormon population is like comparing an Air craft carrier to a row boat. I guess Army, Navy and Air force will become powers now they have a blank check from the us government.
 
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Why is it that you feel if a student athlete gets some part of the $8 billion they generate each year, that somehow anything is different with the game(s)? Very strange thought process. Why is it so important to you that the athletes get $0? How does what they gain through hard work and sacrifice affect someone watching a game between athletes and teams they support?
Where you get it wrong is like this...

There is a little Chinese kid on Youtube named Ryan out in California I think. He makes like 5 million dollars a year advertising and reviewing toys and crap.

Youtube itself makes like 8 billion per year.

Now, the question is, does Ryan make his 5 million if Youtube doesn't exist? Of course not, they provide the platform for the kid to make his dough.

The way you see things is you are pissed that Youtube makes 8 billion while the kid makes chicken scratch comparatively. However, one doesn't exist without the other.

The athlete is getting part of that 8 billion that is generated. It goes into the stadium, it goes into the facilities, it goes into everything that enables that athlete to perform at his best.

The reason why is because nobody can be satisfied anymore. Not the players. Not the coaches. Not the university. Not the fans. Everybody wants "results" instead of the experience.
 

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Whether officially or unofficially, we are looking at an attempt to distill the current D1 FB and basketball pool into 1/4-1/3 of what it is now to concentrate talent, viewers, and ultimately money.

But the point I am making is that this flies directly into the face of those on this website saying NIL's and instant transfer is no big deal. The idea that NIL deals only average 2K and thus only the studs of studs will see 6 figures going forward is based on nothing given this and the Mesidor incident.
I know what your original point was I posted this article because some of the AD's speculation is based on what is currently happening with these NIL and transfer portal deals. 10 years from now most of the blue bloods will have rosters composed of paid players. I agree it will be more than 2K.
 

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Revenues to the NCAA, conferences, schools, ADs and coaches are out of control. Good to see athletes actually able to receive some value for what they are doing even if it‘s not coming from the above sources.

The people raking in the money at various schools are going to have to get out of their old mindset and figure out ways to make staying at their institution worthwhile if they want to be part of the upper echelon.
So Buck when it come to expansion what do say when Jack Swarbrick says many schools currently want to leave their conference? We know he isn't referring to schools in the Big 10 or Sec.
 

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Why do you care who pays a player or if they get paid? And no the universities built everything they have off of the players that got them there. They didn’t have money to build those facilities without all the sacrifice of the student athletes. No money to pay coaches either. If you do not care about one, you can’t care about the other, they go hand in hand.
 

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Is that why they stab their fans, coaches and teammates in the back by jumping ship? Team attitude my ass.
Schools and coaches dump players all the time, release them from scholarships, push them out. Brown has done this several times. Also coaches leave when they want to With no repurcussion. Meanwhile the athletes sacrifice body, mind, time and privacy for no pay year after year With only a very small percentage gaining a degree in the end- and not because they didn’t try or didn’t want to either.
 

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So Buck when it come to expansion what do say when Jack Swarbrick says many schools currently want to leave their conference? We know he isn't referring to schools in the Big 10 or Sec.
First we don’t know he isn’t referring to schools in the Big Ten or SEC. Texas A & M is very upset about the inclusion of Texas for example and Nebraska and Penn State and even Ohio State haven’t been all peaches and roses in the B10. Pretty certain Clemson and FSU are still not happy in the ACC and USC is becoming very disgruntled with the PAC as are others. I’m certain there are schools in every conference that would like to associate with someone else.
 

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Schools and coaches dump players all the time, release them from scholarships, push them out. Brown has done this several times. Also coaches leave when they want to With no repurcussion. Meanwhile the athletes sacrifice body, mind, time and privacy for no pay year after year With only a very small percentage gaining a degree in the end- and not because they didn’t try or didn’t want to either.
Link to where Brown has done this. I bet you can't. Coaches have to pay to leave. Meanwhile the players can leave without paying a dime.

Take your liberal bullshit and stuff it. Biden is burning down America and you voted for it.
 
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Where you get it wrong is like this...

There is a little Chinese kid on Youtube named Ryan out in California I think. He makes like 5 million dollars a year advertising and reviewing toys and crap.

Youtube itself makes like 8 billion per year.

Now, the question is, does Ryan make his 5 million if Youtube doesn't exist? Of course not, they provide the platform for the kid to make his dough.

The way you see things is you are pissed that Youtube makes 8 billion while the kid makes chicken scratch comparatively. However, one doesn't exist without the other.

The athlete is getting part of that 8 billion that is generated. It goes into the stadium, it goes into the facilities, it goes into everything that enables that athlete to perform at his best.
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The reason why is because nobody can be satisfied anymore. Not the players. Not the coaches. Not the university. Not the fans. Everybody wants "results" instead of the experience.
Wrong and you are the one who is mistaken. You tube doesn’t exist without the users in the first place. Likewise college football didn’t become college football of today without the star athletes. The major programs didn’t become who they are without great athletes who brought them success and riches, even wealth. The athletes are getting virtually nothing in exchange for what they do right now. And why should you be so pissed that they receive something for their service anyway? Is a touchdown not a touchdown, or a victory not a victory because Johnny received compensation that’s really none of your business behind the scenes for his hard work and sacrifice?

The spin is created by people at the top who want to keep everything for themselves. It’s ok for a coach to become a millionaire, an AD to get a $200,000 bonus when a student athlete wins a trophy, but if the athlete gets something for that it’s the end of the world? That is absurd on its face.
 

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First we don’t know he isn’t referring to schools in the Big Ten or SEC. Texas A & M is very upset about the inclusion of Texas for example and Nebraska and Penn State and even Ohio State haven’t been all peaches and roses in the B10. Pretty certain Clemson and FSU are still not happy in the ACC and USC is becoming very disgruntled with the PAC as are others. I’m certain there are schools in every conference that would like to associate with someone else.

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Why do you care who pays a player or if they get paid? And no the universities built everything they have off of the players that got them there. They didn’t have money to build those facilities without all the sacrifice of the student athletes. No money to pay coaches either. If you do not care about one, you can’t care about the other, they go hand in hand.

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Is that why they stab their fans, coaches and teammates in the back by jumping ship? Team attitude my ass.

I'm all for the NIL and I'm all for players being granted a free transfer if they graduate, have a head coaching change, or their program is banned from playing games (post season or regular season) due to punishments unrelated to the players actions. Otherwise, I think the player should be bound to their commitment to the program and lose a year of eligibility if they transfer for arbitrary reasons. Unless we want to include buyout clauses for athletes like we do for coaches.
 

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First we don’t know he isn’t referring to schools in the Big Ten or SEC. Texas A & M is very upset about the inclusion of Texas for example and Nebraska and Penn State and even Ohio State haven’t been all peaches and roses in the B10. Pretty certain Clemson and FSU are still not happy in the ACC and USC is becoming very disgruntled with the PAC as are others. I’m certain there are schools in every conference that would like to associate with someone else.
1st off Buck he stated very clearly that the Big 10 and Sec would further separate from the pack. Teams in those conferences are not going to leave. They may not be entirely happy but they are in a stable conference making more money then they could ever imagine in the Big 12, Pac 12 or Acc. Its not rocket science to figure out which teams he is referring to. If wvu or any other school were offered an invitation to the Sec or Big 10 they would dump their old conference asap.
 

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1st off Buck he stated very clearly that the Big 10 and Sec would further separate from the pack. Teams in those conferences are not going to leave. They may not be entirely happy but they are in a stable conference making more money then they could ever imagine in the Big 12, Pac 12 or Acc. Its not rocket science to figure out which teams he is referring to. If wvu or any other school were offered an invitation to the Sec or Big 10 they would dump their old conference asap.
I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that the SEC and Big Ten, as always, will be making more than other conferences if things stand as they are. There is nothing in that that makes the statement that no schools in those conferences will leave if an opportunity presents itself. Take A&M for example. The Big Ten is about to land a deal superior to the SECs once again. It’s not impossible for the Big Ten around 2032 to approach A&M about being a member and they accept.

Similarly a Penn State could decide the ACC is a better fit if I.e. they and another joined and boosted that conferences revenues up significantly.

It’s unlikely more change isn’t coming— the B10 and SEC both may dump the dead weight and/ or some of the lesser athletic programs could decide they don’t want to be part of that arms race anymore too.

Swarbrick might have been referring simply to Notre Dame for all you know, stop trying to project what you personally are shilling for onto someone else.
 

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Why do you care who pays a player or if they get paid? And no the universities built everything they have off of the players that got them there. They didn’t have money to build those facilities without all the sacrifice of the student athletes. No money to pay coaches either. If you do not care about one, you can’t care about the other, they go hand in hand.

I care what's best for the student. If some business wants to pay them - no problems as I've stated before. If the school pays them, they are no longer STUDENTS, now they are employees. They are employees just like the overpaid coaches, AD's, and professors you hate. As employees, they are considered professionals. As employees, they are subject to be fired. If fired, there goes their supposed education. Thus, they are no longer considered a student.

No university, no facilities, no AD, no coaches, no trainers, then those athletes aren't athletes. They are simply students - assuming they could meet the qualifications to get in otherwise.
 

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I care what's best for the student. If some business wants to pay them - no problems as I've stated before. If the school pays them, they are no longer STUDENTS, now they are employees. They are employees just like the overpaid coaches, AD's, and professors you hate. As employees, they are considered professionals. As employees, they are subject to be fired. If fired, there goes their supposed education. Thus, they are no longer considered a student.

No university, no facilities, no AD, no coaches, no trainers, then those athletes aren't athletes. They are simply students - assuming they could meet the qualifications to get in otherwise.
First, it’s you who is full of hate. I have no issue with any of these people involved. What I have a problem with is the racist hypocrisy. Students make money from universities all the time and guess what? They are still students. Why then would they no longer be students if they receive some of the revenue they already bring in to the tune of $8 plus billion a year For participating in athletics? You act as though there is some distinction between what they do for and sacrifice to these schools. But the reality is they do more than most employees as they sacrifice body, mind, privacy etc at levels no one else must deal with. There is no special “ student“ element in their condition or what they do at and for these schools except that everyone else runs off with all the money they brought in.
 

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Wrong and you are the one who is mistaken. You tube doesn’t exist without the users in the first place. Likewise college football didn’t become college football of today without the star athletes. The major programs didn’t become who they are without great athletes who brought them success and riches, even wealth. The athletes are getting virtually nothing in exchange for what they do right now. And why should you be so pissed that they receive something for their service anyway? Is a touchdown not a touchdown, or a victory not a victory because Johnny received compensation that’s really none of your business behind the scenes for his hard work and sacrifice?

The spin is created by people at the top who want to keep everything for themselves. It’s ok for a coach to become a millionaire, an AD to get a $200,000 bonus when a student athlete wins a trophy, but if the athlete gets something for that it’s the end of the world? That is absurd on its face.
Again, how could one person be wrong so often?

How long was the internet around before Youtube? A while, right? Someone had to create the platform before anyone could use Youtube, right?

College football has been around for ages. Ever heard of Bronko Nagurski, Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, the 4 Horsemen, Paul Hornung, Joe Namath? The list goes on. All of them star athletes who didn't bring their schools tremendous amounts of wealth. So, there goes that argument of yours.

They are getting something out of the deal. Something the average student at the university isn't - a free education. You see, these kids are considered student athletes. Not professional athletes. STUDENT comes first. 85 or so of them having it given to them. There aren't 85 engineering majors, forestry majors, law majors, or any other major field getting anywhere close to a free education. They're paying for it. They may get a loan here or a grant-in-aid there, but most is coming out of pocket. Johnny, on the other hand, pays for nothing.

But, you wanna know the kicker? 80 out of the 85 or so, just like that engineering, forestry, and law major, are going pro in something else. They even made a commercial about it a few years ago. THAT is their payment - a free education that enables them to make a career out of something they ARE good enough at. That's where the hard work and sacrifice makes it all worthwhile. But, you can't see that. Like a true Marxist, all you can see are money signs, but feel slighted because someone else makes more than another.

It is my business if communists/marxists ever get their way. The student aspect goes away to be replaced with a "professional" who isn't getting out of the minors to make the NFL, NBA, or MLB anyway. Afterwards, they are left with no education to go professional in anything else. It's off to the gulag for them.

But, that's all ok with you, Comrade Trotsky, because at least they made a few nickels before heading off to the assembly and soup lines.
 
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First, it’s you who is full of hate. I have no issue with any of these people involved. What I have a problem with is the racist hypocrisy. Students make money from universities all the time and guess what? They are still students. Why then would they no longer be students if they receive some of the revenue they already bring in to the tune of $8 plus billion a year For participating in athletics? You act as though there is some distinction between what they do for and sacrifice to these schools. But the reality is they do more than most employees as they sacrifice body, mind, privacy etc at levels no one else must deal with. There is no special “ student“ element in their condition or what they do at and for these schools except that everyone else runs off with all the money they brought in.
Nice try there - when losing a debate, throw out key words like "hate" and "racism" and "hypocrisy" in an attempt to win the day. Sorry, doesn't work here. Try to win with your ideas.

Are you attempting to attribute something like work-study and compare it with playing football? Something based on financial need vs. something not? If something else, share some examples to clarify.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. It truly isn't hard to understand. If one is being paid, one can also stop receiving those payments if who/whatever is paying you suddenly deems you unworthy of further payments. What recourse does the person have? If there is a contract, there is some. If no contract, he's out in the cold. You ok with that?

You see, there IS a distinction. It's the one thing you never seem to understand. A core component of economics - freedom of CHOICE. The athlete CHOOSES to "sacrifice body, mind, privacy etc." With choice, he is free to leave that situation that causes him to do those things - for whatever reason and at any time. Maybe he can't cut it. Maybe he doesn't want to sacrifice his body, his mind, or his privacy anymore. Maybe he feels entitled to a cut of the money. For whatever reason, he's free to go when he pleases. He isn't a slave. He isn't FORCED to do it. That is what you can't seem to understand.

Finally, why do you care if the university brings in X amount of dollars? Or the coach makes Y dollars a year? You should get in the players' ears and tell them to go on strike. Shut it all down!
However, if they'll pull some scab players like Billy from engineering, Tommy from forestry, and Bobby from law, no matter how bad we are, I'll be at every game.
 
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Nice try there - when losing a debate, throw out key words like "hate" and "racism" and "hypocrisy" in an attempt to win the day. Sorry, doesn't work here. Try to win with your ideas.

Are you attempting to attribute something like work-study and compare it with playing football? Something based on financial need vs. something not? If something else, share some examples to clarify.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. It truly isn't hard to understand. If one is being paid, one can also stop receiving those payments if who/whatever is paying you suddenly deems you unworthy of further payments. What recourse does the person have? If there is a contract, there is some. If no contract, he's out in the cold. You ok with that?

You see, there IS a distinction. It's the one thing you never seem to understand. A core component of economics - freedom of CHOICE. The athlete CHOOSES to "sacrifice body, mind, privacy etc." With choice, he is free to leave that situation that causes him to do those things - for whatever reason and at any time. Maybe he can't cut it. Maybe he doesn't want to sacrifice his body, his mind, or his privacy anymore. Maybe he feels entitled to a cut of the money. For whatever reason, he's free to go when he pleases. He isn't a slave. He isn't FORCED to do it. That is what you can't seem to understand.

Finally, why do you care if the university brings in X amount of dollars? Or the coach makes Y dollars a year? You should get in the players' ears and tell them to go on strike. Shut it all down!
However, if they'll pull some scab players like Billy from engineering, Tommy from forestry, and Bobby from law, no matter how bad we are, I'll be at every game.

I agree with you on all points and Bucky is too stupid to bother corresponding with. However, I will argue one point and that is the fact that for American Football there is this corrupt situation between the NFL and the NCAA. Whether is a direct collusion or just coincidental does not change the fact that it does exist. That corrupt situation is the NFL has a 3 years out of high school rule and provides no lower league option. And I know the NBA G league is nothing great, but at least it exists. There is also Europe as an option and the fact that NBA only has a one year out of high school rule where a player could for go formal organized sport and training facilities without completely destroying their chance at the NBA. In that scenario there choice for making it to the NBA.

For football however there is no chance a player out of high school can go 3 years out of formal, organized football and maintain their skill. Also its next to impossible to be ready for the NFL out of high school any way so they not only need to maintain, but also improve. So just waiting and training at home is not an option at all for football where as it is , albeit a crappy option, possible for basketball. There is no minor league football. No European option. Canadian league exists as well as these new side leagues that have all the stability of a skyscraper on sand dunes, but after watching the rejects on those fields it is clear that competing against FBS P5 competition is a way better option for preparation. Hence, if an athlete has no desire to even try college and wants to go for the NFL, they have no choice but to enter the NCAA where this dog and pony show happens.

I'd be all for the NCAA getting rid of this no professional rule in the past. I think it would be better to just make a deal where anyone can play organized college football regardless of if they were a professional in the past. The rule though is once you start, you either use up all of your NCAA eligibility at once or you forfeit it if you go back into professional sports before it is used up. NIL rule will still allow endorsement deals for those prior athletes. The NFL could allow players straight out of high school practice squad spots while they develop for the 3 years post high school. After that 3 years and with some maturity, those that do not cut it in the professional ranks may be more willing to go the student athlete route knowing there is still a chance for professional afterward, but the knowledge they really need another plan. Of course players that are definite athletes but also good college candidates can just go into the NCAA directly to do both.

Alas, though that since NCAA football is a multi-billion dollar industry between merch, TV, tickets, etc... it has a vested interest in being the sole option for high school grads and the NFL has a well functioning farm system that they do not need to oversee or invest in.
 
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You're absolutely right. Some things definitely need to change. The 3 and out rule is probably just the first of many.

A "minor league" for football could and should be established. Works for everything else, why not for the NFL.

Makes college football like what baseball, basketball, soccer, and the rest were always meant to be - amateur athletics by true student athletes.

The only problem I see with what you wrote is really towards the end. I could see a team like Florida who can't out-recruit Bama but decides to simply outspend them. Brings in a "mercenary" team of former NFL career backups for example to come in, spend a semester, and win a national championship, which would be what I could easily see happening if allowing former pros to come to college. Even though they're all backups, they're still much more mature, stronger, faster, and have a much smaller learning curve than the typical true college athlete- even the ones at Bama. Personally, I wouldn't care about it other than the fact it would be a true safety issue. Same thing basically as allowing high school players to play midget or junior high ball.
 
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I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that the SEC and Big Ten, as always, will be making more than other conferences if things stand as they are. There is nothing in that that makes the statement that no schools in those conferences will leave if an opportunity presents itself. Take A&M for example. The Big Ten is about to land a deal superior to the SECs once again. It’s not impossible for the Big Ten around 2032 to approach A&M about being a member and they accept.

Similarly a Penn State could decide the ACC is a better fit if I.e. they and another joined and boosted that conferences revenues up significantly.

It’s unlikely more change isn’t coming— the B10 and SEC both may dump the dead weight and/ or some of the lesser athletic programs could decide they don’t want to be part of that arms race anymore too.

Swarbrick might have been referring simply to Notre Dame for all you know, stop trying to project what you personally are shilling for onto someone else.
You need to stop using the word shilling. No one is shilling for anything on here. Here is some advice when it comes to projecting. Start projecting for common sense instead of lunacy.
 
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