4-team playoff is a total farce, all about $$$, not true champion

[bEER_Nation13]

If they really wanted a true champion, they would implement at least 8 team playoff. All P5 Conference Champions earn a spot. Yes, that includes forcing the Catholics and Mormons to join a conference. Then for the final 3 spots, have G5 conference champions play each other for the remaining 3 spots. Like Mac vs CUSA. Sun Belt vs WAC, etc. Then you'll have the closest thing to a true championship.

Right now, it's a cheerleading contest. A popularity contest. It's all subjective. Too much grey area.

 

[hbeacheer]

When a one loss nd team is in the top four with that schedule u know it's about the dough. They'll lose to Stanford which will open the door for the pac. It has always been about the dough but with espn in control more than ever expect more corrupt selections that benefit Mickey Mouse.

 

[dolemitebmf]

If they really wanted a true champion, they would implement at least 8 team playoff. All P5 Conference Champions earn a spot. Yes, that includes forcing the Catholics and Mormons to join a conference. Then for the final 3 spots, have G5 conference champions play each other for the remaining 3 spots. Like Mac vs CUSA. Sun Belt vs WAC, etc. Then you'll have the closest thing to a true championship.

Right now, it's a cheerleading contest. A popularity contest. It's all subjective. Too much grey area.

I like the idea of eight teams, but wasting three spots for g5 teams would be an even bigger farce than what we currently have.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

LONG way to go yet. There will be only 1 or 2 unbeaten Power 5 teams. Unbeaten Power 5 teams WILL be in the national playoffs, because they run the playoffs. The fight will come over 1-loss teams. But Alabama and Notre Dame, with one loss, won't beat out unbeaten Power 5 champs, if there are any standing at season's end.


M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0

O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17

U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense

N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24

T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.

A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.

I ncinerated by TCU, 40-10. Way too many mistakes, penalties, dropped passes.

N ifty rushing, defense take down Texas Tech, 31-26

E lude Texas

E rectile dysfunction Kansas

R oll past Iowa State

S lip past Kansas State

 

[BCSE1951]

Bama,Ohio St. will there and why because Ohio will beat IOWA
the other two will be ND and ACC champ

 

[tigeer]

Committee spends too much time trying to make statements manifested in rankings on what they think everything should look like. And they try and come up with a new and more absurd way to justify the rankings, i.e., game control, body clocks and the like. Herbstreit said it on Mike&Mike that he sees anyone will have a tough time overcoming the Notre Dame BRAND. Brands should have zero impact but for some reason they do. I don't have a better list of members, but I don't like this group.

 

[bEER_Nation13]

Look at March Madness in college basketball. Every conference winner gets a bid to the dance. Why isn't the same formula used in football? That's what baffles me. In college basketball, every conference winner gets automatic bid. But in football, we run away from that idea. College basketball has it right. Perhaps too many teams. They do have a selection committee who picks at-large bids but regardless, every conference champion is automatically in. It's 1,000,000,000x more fair and legit than 4 team college football playoffs.

Baseball is the same way!! Win your conference championship, you get automatic bid. In every damn sport in NCAA, you get a chance to play for the national championship if you win your conference EXCEPT football. Why is this?

 

[oceantide83]

You're just now finding out it's all about the money?

 

[GoWVU]

College basketball has it right. Perhaps too many teams. They do have a selection committee who picks at-large bids but regardless, every conference champion is automatically in. It's 1,000,000,000x more fair and legit than 4 team college football playoffs.

You sure about that, bEER?

As your example, I wouldn't exactly point to the "fairness" of a system where you can literally go 0-25, then run off 4 wins in a conference tournament and automatically have a chance to play for the national championship.

 

[topdecktiger]

Look at March Madness in college basketball. Every conference winner gets a bid to the dance. Why isn't the same formula used in football? That's what baffles me. In college basketball, every conference winner gets automatic bid. But in football, we run away from that idea. College basketball has it right. Perhaps too many teams. They do have a selection committee who picks at-large bids but regardless, every conference champion is automatically in. It's 1,000,000,000x more fair and legit than 4 team college football playoffs.

Baseball is the same way!! Win your conference championship, you get automatic bid. In every damn sport in NCAA, you get a chance to play for the national championship if you win your conference EXCEPT football. Why is this?

Why does that baffle you? Football can't be scheduled the same way as basketball. You can play 2 or 3 games in one week in basketball. In basketball, you have rounds 1 & 2 on Thursday/Saturday (or Friday/Sunday). Then rounds 3 & 4 the next week, and so on. Can't do that in football.

Then you have the problem of logistics. You only have 12-15 players on a basketball team, but you have 60-80 (that travel) on a football team. It's a lot harder to book hotels with that many players on one team. You also have to fill a stadium with 60-80,000 fans every week, whereas you only have to fill 10-20,000 for basketball.

You also have the issue that the football playoffs are played in bowl games. That means you lose several weeks in December which could be used for the playoffs. You could have some, or all, of the playoffs outside the bowls. However, good luck getting the conferences to give up the money that they make off of the NY6 games. That's one of the problems. The individual conferences make so much money, and don't have to share it with other leagues, that they don't want to give it up.

As your example, I wouldn't exactly point to the "fairness" of a system where you can literally go 0-25, then run off 4 wins in a conference tournament and automatically have a chance to play for the national championship.

That's true, but the problem isn't with the process. The individual conferences could just give the bid to the regular season champion, and solve the problem.

 

[dolemitebmf]

Look at March Madness in college basketball. Every conference winner gets a bid to the dance. Why isn't the same formula used in football? That's what baffles me. In college basketball, every conference winner gets automatic bid. But in football, we run away from that idea. College basketball has it right. Perhaps too many teams. They do have a selection committee who picks at-large bids but regardless, every conference champion is automatically in. It's 1,000,000,000x more fair and legit than 4 team college football playoffs.

Baseball is the same way!! Win your conference championship, you get automatic bid. In every damn sport in NCAA, you get a chance to play for the national championship if you win your conference EXCEPT football. Why is this?

Basketball is totally different than football. You can actually be a smaller school and compete, in basketball. You need less scholarships, less facilities, etc. to field a competitive basketball team than football.

If anything, there needs to be more separation between P5 and G5 teams. Wasting a playoff spot on a team like the CDIAA winner would be a farce. A team ranked in the 50s may get to go while a team in the Top 10 doesn't?!? If you do that for all the pee wee conferences, the whole thing becomes a joke...

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

8 teams would be a huge improvement. After that, you get the law of diminishing returns and, I think, would dilute the field. An entire extra round of 16 would put fairly mediocre teams in the field and increase the risk of injury and just wearing players out to a greater degree than it would provide additional fairness.

With 8, each of the Power 5 could get an automatic bid, and the three at large bids would be enough almost always to ensure every truly deserving team got a shot. I wouldn't even mind a rule that an undefeated Go5, gets one of the bids (if there were 2, then I think the committee would have to make a choice most years).

It will happen eventually. It will likely happen sooner if a team with a bit more juice than a Baylor or Iowa or Stanford or Clemson gets excluded.

 

[Orlaco]

Like with basketball it's never ending. Playoffs go to 8 teams (which I would like) then everybody would be bitching team number 9 got screwed.

 

[Buckaineer]

The playoffs aren't growing-- what needs to happen now that the bias is so aggregious is change within the selection process. The SEC and Big Ten can't be allowed to select participants-- placing themselves at the top each year no matter how they are actually doing on the field.

 

[GoWVU]

That's true, but the problem isn't with the process. The individual conferences could just give the bid to the regular season champion, and solve the problem.

They could, but they won't--and why? Money...which was bEER's original point. Cynical decision-making is part of the problem with the process, too.

 

[dolemitebmf]

8 teams would be a huge improvement. After that, you get the law of diminishing returns and, I think, would dilute the field. An entire extra round of 16 would put fairly mediocre teams in the field and increase the risk of injury and just wearing players out to a greater degree than it would provide additional fairness.

With 8, each of the Power 5 could get an automatic bid, and the three at large bids would be enough almost always to ensure every truly deserving team got a shot. I wouldn't even mind a rule that an undefeated Go5, gets one of the bids (if there were 2, then I think the committee would have to make a choice most years).

It will happen eventually. It will likely happen sooner if a team with a bit more juice than a Baylor or Iowa or Stanford or Clemson gets excluded.

The g5 would need to at least have some quality wins, to be considered. Marshall plays an easier schedule (#146) than about 20 DIAA teams, this season. I know they lost a couple, but even if they were undefeated, you shouldn't reward teams for playing a schedule like that....

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

If Notre Dame and their head cheerleader Mike Golic get in and leave out two of the P5 conference champs, there will be 8 teams next year.

 

[BCSE1951]

If Notre Dame and their head cheerleader Mike Golic get in and leave out two of the P5 conference champs, there will be 8 teams next year.

no they won't as long as sec, big 10, and acc get in that is all they want.
especially so bama gets the championship. this is all espn wants, and they are getting $$$

 

[BCSE1951]

Look at March Madness in college basketball. Every conference winner gets a bid to the dance. Why isn't the same formula used in football? That's what baffles me. In college basketball, every conference winner gets automatic bid. But in football, we run away from that idea. College basketball has it right. Perhaps too many teams. They do have a selection committee who picks at-large bids but regardless, every conference champion is automatically in. It's 1,000,000,000x more fair and legit than 4 team college football playoffs.

Baseball is the same way!! Win your conference championship, you get automatic bid. In every damn sport in NCAA, you get a chance to play for the national championship if you win your conference EXCEPT football. Why is this?

because espn has control and has money in sec. it's fixed................