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33.5 point underdogs

Wonder what spread was when we opened with Nebraska that year? I think we ended up losing 31-0.
 
Now we see just how quickly Brown has dropped the program despite inheriting a program that was in contention for the BIG 12 championship up until the final game of last season.

How many teams fell off the rails and the map in just one season--half a season?

This might just surpass the sudden dropoff from Fraud to B.S.
 
Metro News reports this:

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — Bookies are expecting a bloodbath when West Virginia visits Oklahoma this week.

Circa Sports, the first sportsbook to set a line for the game, is favoring the Sooners by 33.5 points.

It is the second-biggest point spread that West Virginia has ever faced as an underdog.
http://wvmetronews.com/2019/10/13/west-virginia-opens-as-massive-underdog-at-oklahoma/

I'm taking WVU and the points. I'm winning big this week.

That line will drop quick to 22 to 25 by Saturday at worst. Buy now....
 
Let's recap
2011 -
LSU 47; WVU 21
Cuse 49; WVU 23

2012
Texas Tech 49; WVU 14
Kansas State 55; WVU 14
OSU 55; WVU 34
Cuse 38; WVU 14 (Bowl loss when Dana didnt want to practice outside)

2013
4-8 (lost six of final seven) including loss to Kansas
Maryland 37; WVU 0
Baylor 73 WVU 42
K-State 35; WVU 12
Kansas 31; WVU 19

2014 Lost three in a row
Texas 33; No. 24 WVU 16

2015 Four game losing streak
Baylor 62; WVU 38
TCU 40; WVU 10

2016
Oklahoma 56; WVU 28
Miami 31; WVU 14 (another bowl loss)

2017 ended season with three straight losses
Oklahoma 59 WVU 31
Utah 30; WVU 14 (Another bowl loss)

2018 (another three game losing streak to end season
Iowa State 30; No. 6 WVU 14
Cuse 34; WVU 18 (Another bowl loss)

HOW DID WE LET DANA LEAVE?
 
Holgorsen had more games at WVU other than one other coach, faced the most difficult schedules ever, and won the second most games of anyone ever.
 
In the end Holgorsens record at WVU or at Houston isnt going to help Brown figure out how to coach WVU to more wins.

Something the trolls egos dont want discussed, so they talk about me and give you partial info - leaving out all the quality wins--to meet an agenda about the previous coach, all the while ignoring the oresent one.

How soon they forget , " anyone could come in and immediately do better".

Well, WVU won 8 games last year and was in play for the BIG 12 championship until they lost by a few to playoff participant OU in the final regula season game.

So that should mean at least 9 wins and a BIG 12 CCG appearance this year, right?
 
Let's recap
2011 -
LSU 47; WVU 21
Cuse 49; WVU 23

2012
Texas Tech 49; WVU 14
Kansas State 55; WVU 14
OSU 55; WVU 34
Cuse 38; WVU 14 (Bowl loss when Dana didnt want to practice outside)

2013
4-8 (lost six of final seven) including loss to Kansas
Maryland 37; WVU 0
Baylor 73 WVU 42
K-State 35; WVU 12
Kansas 31; WVU 19

2014 Lost three in a row
Texas 33; No. 24 WVU 16

2015 Four game losing streak
Baylor 62; WVU 38
TCU 40; WVU 10

2016
Oklahoma 56; WVU 28
Miami 31; WVU 14 (another bowl loss)

2017 ended season with three straight losses
Oklahoma 59 WVU 31
Utah 30; WVU 14 (Another bowl loss)

2018 (another three game losing streak to end season
Iowa State 30; No. 6 WVU 14
Cuse 34; WVU 18 (Another bowl loss)

HOW DID WE LET DANA LEAVE?

Even on the ignore feature, I still know when Buckaineer is posting. All of his posts are based upon the following suppositions:

1. It is an apples to apples comparison between Brown's first season at WVU and Dana's 8th season.
2. Because WVU "competed" for the big 12 last year, it should do so again this year with a competent coach. The graduation attrition is irrelevant.
3. All the players that left WVU after last season were due to Brown. Reported academic fraud or bad attitudes is irrelevant.
4. Any poster currently pointing out Dana's flaws and/or advocating that Brown be given time to show what he can do as head coach was denigrating Dana from his first day here and has always maintained that "any other coach could step right in and be better"
5. Dana was a great coach at WVU despite his atrocious 3rd season of 4-8 with his recruited roster and, referencing #4, it was wrong for anyone to be critical of his head coaching. Yet Brown having an atrocious first season without any of his own recruits is completely fair game.

There is no way to have a meaningful or intelligent conversation with anyone that has that much lack of self awareness. It's like arguing with someone whose baseline premise is water isn't wet or fire doesn't burn.
 
Even on the ignore feature, I still know when Buckaineer is posting. All of his posts are based upon the following suppositions:

1. It is an apples to apples comparison between Brown's first season at WVU and Dana's 8th season.
2. Because WVU "competed" for the big 12 last year, it should do so again this year with a competent coach. The graduation attrition is irrelevant.
3. All the players that left WVU after last season were due to Brown. Reported academic fraud or bad attitudes is irrelevant.
4. Any poster currently pointing out Dana's flaws and/or advocating that Brown be given time to show what he can do as head coach was denigrating Dana from his first day here and has always maintained that "any other coach could step right in and be better"
5. Dana was a great coach at WVU despite his atrocious 3rd season of 4-8 with his recruited roster and, referencing #4, it was wrong for anyone to be critical of his head coaching. Yet Brown having an atrocious first season without any of his own recruits is completely fair game.

There is no way to have a meaningful or intelligent conversation with anyone that has that much lack of self awareness. It's like arguing with someone whose baseline premise is water isn't wet or fire doesn't burn.

Eerily the same as our boy WVpride304.
 
Dana lost more games at WVU then any other coach than one.
He also coached in more games than anyone but one coach and won more games than all but one coach. He also took over a program that couldn't win a G5 conference and won it his first season plus a BCS bowl.

Dana is 10 times the coach, game planner and play caller as Brown.
 
He also coached in more games than anyone but one coach and won more games than all but one coach. He also took over a program that couldn't win a G5 conference and won it his first season plus a BCS bowl.

Dana is 10 times the coach, game planner and play caller as Brown.
Holgs seemed mediocre to me
 
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He also coached in more games than anyone but one coach and won more games than all but one coach. He also took over a program that couldn't win a G5 conference and won it his first season plus a BCS bowl.

Dana is 10 times the coach, game planner and play caller as Brown.
Well Wvu won the Big East in 2005 and 2007 and finished in the top 10. something Dana never did. Brown hired koenning Dana hired Joe deforest. You also stated in an earlier post that winning in The sunbelt is different than winning in the Big 12. That would explain why Dana struggled beating the Big boys in the Big 12. He can't even Beat them in the American conference when he had a dark horse Heisman QB.
 
Was really hoping Kendall could play. I’m sure this is the game he really wanted when the season started.
 
Well Wvu won the Big East in 2005 and 2007 and finished in the top 10. something Dana never did. Brown hired koenning Dana hired Joe deforest. You also stated in an earlier post that winning in The sunbelt is different than winning in the Big 12. That would explain why Dana struggled beating the Big boys in the Big 12. He can't even Beat them in the American conference when he had a dark horse Heisman QB.

WVU won the Big East the only year he coached in the Big East- 2011, won 10 games, something that has seldom happened at WVU, and also beat Clemson in historic fashion that year.

To claim otherwise brings into question who you actually root for.
 
WVU won the Big East the only year he coached in the Big East- 2011, won 10 games, something that has seldom happened at WVU, and also beat Clemson in historic fashion that year.

To claim otherwise brings into question who you actually root for.

We were Big East Champs in 1993, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2010 and 2011.

WVU has 9, 10-win seasons since 1946, 73 seasons (since WVU started consistently playing 10 or more games in a season).
 
We were Big East Champs in 1993, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2010 and 2011.

WVU has 9, 10-win seasons since 1946, 73 seasons (since WVU started consistently playing 10 or more games in a season).

And TWO of the ten win seasons and one of the Big East chamionships belong to Coach Holgorsen.

2 of 9 is over 22% of the 10 win seasons at WVU.

1 of 7 Big East championships is nearly 15% of all Big East championships-- had Holgorsen coached more than one season in the Big East he likely would have won many more, probably every season.
 
And TWO of the ten win seasons and one of the Big East chamionships belong to Coach Holgorsen.

2 of 9 is over 22% of the 10 win seasons at WVU.

1 of 7 Big East championships is nearly 15% of all Big East championships-- had Holgorsen coached more than one season in the Big East he likely would have won many more, probably every season.
Not with his work ethic.
 
WVU won the Big East the only year he coached in the Big East- 2011, won 10 games, something that has seldom happened at WVU, and also beat Clemson in historic fashion that year.

To claim otherwise brings into question who you actually root for.
It is exceedingly apparent who you root for: Whoever is playing WVU, to bolster your argument that DH is a better coach than NB. Pretty pathetic for somebody that claims to be a WVU fan.
 
And TWO of the ten win seasons and one of the Big East chamionships belong to Coach Holgorsen.

2 of 9 is over 22% of the 10 win seasons at WVU.

1 of 7 Big East championships is nearly 15% of all Big East championships-- had Holgorsen coached more than one season in the Big East he likely would have won many more, probably every season.

WVU was actually in a 3 way tie for first in 2011. He didn't win it out right. He needed tie breakers. Same as Bill Stewart in 2010. Stewart just didn't win the tie breaker.

1 West Virginia 5-2 (lost Louisville, beat Cincinnati)
2 Louisville 5-2 (lost Cincinnati beat WVU)
3 Cincinnati 5-2 (lost to WVU beat Louisville)
4 Rutgers 4-3
5 Pitt 4-3
6 Connecticut (4-3)
7 USF 1-6
8 Syracuse 1-6

I believe the next tiebreaker was highest ranked which WVU was 18th Cincinnati was 25th I think. Louisville not ranked. They won 10 games due to record setting bowl win.

Fraud Rod had 3 11 win seasons
Nehlen had 2 11 win seasons

Look, Glad Dana was here at WVU. He was a decent HC won some games but tended to flame out at the end. Dana had 4 teams that should have won the Big 12 but he failed to finish the season on a high note.

Now to Brown the guy you hate. So you want him fired after 6 games and 3-3 record. You want WVU to fall even further by dumping a coach in mid season. Interesting concept.

Hate retaliation reply from Bucky in 5,4,3...
 
Have we ever been 33.5 point underdogs?

Hmm . . . well, I suppose the Mountaineers could lose to Oklahoma on Saturday?

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WVU won the Big East the only year he coached in the Big East- 2011, won 10 games, something that has seldom happened at WVU, and also beat Clemson in historic fashion that year.

To claim otherwise brings into question who you actually root for.
I don’t remember Dana and “some fans” thanking and praising Coach Stew for all the talented players that won that conference title and historic bowl game.
 
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locustwv - I was making the point that Oklahoma is currently a Top 10 team and HCNB is rebuilding our program. Yes, we are heavy underdogs on Saturday, which will probably result in a loss. Our fellow posters on this thread seemed to be getting too excited about Dana's inferiority and the possibility of a huge numerical loss against the Sooners . . . and I thought so what? It will take HCNB some recruiting time to right the ship.
 
I don’t remember Dana and “some fans” thanking and praising Coach Stew for all the talented players that won that conference title and historic bowl game.

I was not a fan of how the way Stew was hired. But as a person Stew was a great guy and had the backing of his players. I was also not a fan of how Stew was pushed out the door. Could Stew have won in Big 12? Would Stew have been alive to coach in Big 12?

Would have been interesting to see how Stew would have done if he was able to stay to see how he would do in a rebuilding year like 2013.

Was Stew the most underrated coach at WVU? I don't know. He was too loyal to his coaching staff which turned out to be a problem and eventual release.
 
I don’t remember Dana and “some fans” thanking and praising Coach Stew for all the talented players that won that conference title and historic bowl game.

I don't remember any coach anywhere thanking a previous coach for the players that stayed on when they came in.

Name one from any conference anywhere that did that.
 
WVU was actually in a 3 way tie for first in 2011. He didn't win it out right. He needed tie breakers. Same as Bill Stewart in 2010. Stewart just didn't win the tie breaker.

1 West Virginia 5-2 (lost Louisville, beat Cincinnati)
2 Louisville 5-2 (lost Cincinnati beat WVU)
3 Cincinnati 5-2 (lost to WVU beat Louisville)
4 Rutgers 4-3
5 Pitt 4-3
6 Connecticut (4-3)
7 USF 1-6
8 Syracuse 1-6

I believe the next tiebreaker was highest ranked which WVU was 18th Cincinnati was 25th I think. Louisville not ranked. They won 10 games due to record setting bowl win.

Fraud Rod had 3 11 win seasons
Nehlen had 2 11 win seasons

Look, Glad Dana was here at WVU. He was a decent HC won some games but tended to flame out at the end. Dana had 4 teams that should have won the Big 12 but he failed to finish the season on a high note.

Now to Brown the guy you hate. So you want him fired after 6 games and 3-3 record. You want WVU to fall even further by dumping a coach in mid season. Interesting concept.

Hate retaliation reply from Bucky in 5,4,3...

excuses excuses excuses.

You said it yourself--b.s. DIDNT win the tie breaker. Holgorsen DID.

Holgorsen like every coach added some players of his own to go along with those that stayed on and he won--more than the previous coach. IMMEDIATELY.

Got WVU to a Big East championship, represented the conference on crushed Clemson in historical fashion on the national stage.

Mountaineer fans--excstatic about that.

troll Allen? trying to cr@p on it with misinformation, denial and excuses to make it seem less than the accomplishment it was--while at the same time championing a coach that has WVU playing some of the worst football in the history of the program and has players leaving left and right.

When players left under Holgorsen? You got it--trollAllen blamed DH

When players leave under Brown? You got it---oh its Buckaineer's fault, or the players aren't worthy or....basically whatever other b.s. he can drum up.

The facts remain--Holgorsen was a very good coach at WVU who took WVU through one of the most adverse periods in history--the switch from a depleted Big East into one of the toughest conferences in the country that also had adopted a round robin schedule. He had a depleted roster from the previous coach with underrecruiting that took years to fix. He faced the most difficult schedules ever at WVU with the highest number of top 10 and 15 ranked teams ever faced--and he WON at the second highest clip of any coach ever at WVU despite being attacked night and day from before he stepped in until the finish.

Now he is gone, and WVU has a coach that was a question mark coming in and is putting up low level fcs type stats for WVU--that isn't going to cut it in the P5 or the BIG 12.
 
It is exceedingly apparent who you root for: Whoever is playing WVU, to bolster your argument that DH is a better coach than NB. Pretty pathetic for somebody that claims to be a WVU fan.

Its exceedingly apparent you dont root for WVU. peeing all over Mountaineer accomplishments during one of the most difficult to win periods in Mountaineer history even though they won at a high level, and now championing fcs level results that would get a coach fired at many programs. Would Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Alabama, tolerate 41 yards rushing in games?

Would the Michigan States, FSUs, Wisconsins, LSUs, Auburns?

Neither should WVU. Poor coaching cannot be excused away so easily-- you and others bashed the previous coach and he wasnt putting up dismal performances like this even in struggling times and he inherited far less of a roster than Brown and Browns players are not switching conferences.

Stop making excuses so you can falsely blame the previous coach-- you got what you wanted and now must deal with the results that you were told would be coming.

Instead you and others claimed " anyone can step in and immediately do better".

That isnt happening so youll have to quelch your ego and deal with it.
 
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