1st "Playoff" rankings
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We play in such a difficult league & yet it remains an uphill battle to contend for national championships. There was a time when a 1-loss West Virginia out of the Big East was positioned for the BCS title game. Was also a time where an undefeated Rutgers or L'Ville out of the Big East would've made the title game. My how things have changed.
Moving forward, this could be fluid and changing but it still reveals what the committee is thinking. the teams outside of No. 4 will very likely need outside help, so this does count for something. there's two 1-loss teams ahead of several undefeated, so going undefeated may not be enough to jump up. they've lost, others have not, and they are already better, the committee says, even with losses. let's not forget losses in November can be far more damaging than in Sept or Oct even though they add up to the same mark in the final record.
But I would not assume if LSU loses at Bama they are out by any stretch. Bama already has a loss at home - to 2-loss Ole Miss - and is still in the driver's seat. So if LSU were to become a 1-loss club, they may essentially flip spots with Bama. Recall 2012 when Bama-LSU met again for all the marbles.
Not surprising, but how TCU has not earned at least No. 4 is beyond me. With Boykin and Patterson's reputation. They are 20-1 including last season & have won 16 in a row. 8th. Really? Safe to say any outside chance for a BXII team is if one manages to survive Nov unscathed.
Committee says undefeated ACC team > undefeated defending national champs, undefeated SEC team, 3 undefeated BXII teams and 3 undefeated B1G teams. I do not agree. Everyone scolds Bay and TCU for their schedules thus far. Clemson has beaten 5 mediocre ACC teams, Wofford, App State and Notre Dame by 2 at home. No. 1. Sheesh.
I'd project Clemson will get in. LSU or Alabama in. Winner of Ohio State/Iowa B1G championship in. Winner of Notre Dame/Stanford in unless both LSU & Bama get the nod. what say you?
Moving forward, this could be fluid and changing but it still reveals what the committee is thinking. the teams outside of No. 4 will very likely need outside help, so this does count for something. there's two 1-loss teams ahead of several undefeated, so going undefeated may not be enough to jump up. they've lost, others have not, and they are already better, the committee says, even with losses. let's not forget losses in November can be far more damaging than in Sept or Oct even though they add up to the same mark in the final record.
But I would not assume if LSU loses at Bama they are out by any stretch. Bama already has a loss at home - to 2-loss Ole Miss - and is still in the driver's seat. So if LSU were to become a 1-loss club, they may essentially flip spots with Bama. Recall 2012 when Bama-LSU met again for all the marbles.
Not surprising, but how TCU has not earned at least No. 4 is beyond me. With Boykin and Patterson's reputation. They are 20-1 including last season & have won 16 in a row. 8th. Really? Safe to say any outside chance for a BXII team is if one manages to survive Nov unscathed.
Committee says undefeated ACC team > undefeated defending national champs, undefeated SEC team, 3 undefeated BXII teams and 3 undefeated B1G teams. I do not agree. Everyone scolds Bay and TCU for their schedules thus far. Clemson has beaten 5 mediocre ACC teams, Wofford, App State and Notre Dame by 2 at home. No. 1. Sheesh.
I'd project Clemson will get in. LSU or Alabama in. Winner of Ohio State/Iowa B1G championship in. Winner of Notre Dame/Stanford in unless both LSU & Bama get the nod. what say you?
If Clemson is in ND is out. Not gonna set up a re-match. The only way I see an undefeated B12 team being left out is if Stanford runs the table over the remainder of the season. That's the scariest 1-loss team in the country IMO. ND would be #1 if they would have took down Clemson... They won't be getting another chance.
You're forgetting about the ND/Stanford game still remaining. A win there is plenty of justification for those shills to weasel the Domer$ into the party, especially if Stanford is an 11-2 Pac-12 champ.
I'm completely aware of the game. I only think it has any impact on the top 4 if Stanford wins. The playoff was put in place to give more teams a chance at the NC, ND already had one shot at Clemson, they aren't going to set up a rematch for the playoffs.
And if they would, it will be the beginning of the end for a short lived 4-team playoff system.
Those rankings are pretty meaningless right now. TCU-Baylor, OSU-Mich St, and Bama-LSU games need to be played before anything makes sense and I guarantee the winner of the B12 will be in the mix by then.
Truth. They mean nothing. Just another way for the mainstream media to hype something up and produce revenue. Nothing more.
That would be a good thing. Limiting it to 4 creates too many judgment calls that can eliminate teams with legitimate claims they deserve the shot. There will always be a "first team out" and the decision will still be somewhat arbitrary, but the claim you are in the top 8 does not carry the same force as you are in the top 4.
There will be few years where you have more than eight zero and 1 loss teams in the Power 5. Leaving out 2 loss teams in favor of another 2 loss team will still suck if one of the 2 loss teams left out is your team but few will really think that team deserved a shot based on what it did. Eight would also open the door for the occasional Go5 team which I think would be kind of cool.
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I was left with the impression that SoS is once again dictating why these rankings happened. If that is the case, then TCU and Baylor may have hurt themselves with their OoC matchups.
I'm not saying there would necessarily be a rematch, they could always reshuffle the seeds to avoid that. (Even so, don't underestimate them trying to sell everyone on a rematch of an "instant classic" from earlier in the season.) Does anybody really believe Clemson will be the final #1 even if they do go unbeaten? Maybe if they're the only unbeaten.
What I am suggesting is that your premise of ND necessarily being out if Clemson is in is probably mistaken. Ranking ND #5 at this point is indefensible. Hell, Long himself cited their LOSS as a chief selling point. That fact alone betrays how eagerly the committee, networks, and media all get on their knees to fellate the Domer$. I'm sure you're aware of that, I think you're just forgetting how much it's true. If ND finishes 11-1, you'd better believe the "committee" will find a way to invite them to the country club.
My favorite piece of logic to this: Clemson beat ND so they are No. 1. ND played Clemson to 2 points so they are No. 5.
I know what you are saying. Baylor's current SOS is 46. However, Ohio State is 47. From what I have seen this year I don't think they deserve the # 3 ranking. Of course I was one of many who did not think they deserved the playoff last year and we all saw what happened there.
The whole deal is set up for best tv ratings. The 12 person panel wants to do what is best for college football not the best teams. If anyone thought FSU should have been in top 4 last year you are crazy. TCU or Baylor with 1 loss is out . Only a UT or OU could get in with 1 loss which is better for ratings. OU started to far back to make it there.
I cannot be a Notre Dame fan due to their coach. Kelly shirt collared one of his assistant coaches ...... on national TV...................and not a word was said by the announcers of the game. Kelly thinks he's above everyone else in the world and truly thinks he deserves to be on the pedestal he finds himself on!
Whatever the system has been and probably whatever it will be in the future, the one constant is ND gets special treatment. Even here where everyone disagrees about everything else, I think we can all agree about that.
There's another tier of the traditional powers that will have an advantage over everyone except ND.
The BCS actually reduced that some, but did not eliminate it because it used human polls in addition to computer models. With the control now in the hands of a very few, hand selected to serve the powers that be (TV), the favoritism will be more pronounced.
That's pretty much a given, but expanding the filed to 8 would be a huge step toward giving the others access when they have earned it.
There's another tier of the traditional powers that will have an advantage over everyone except ND.
The BCS actually reduced that some, but did not eliminate it because it used human polls in addition to computer models. With the control now in the hands of a very few, hand selected to serve the powers that be (TV), the favoritism will be more pronounced.
That's pretty much a given, but expanding the filed to 8 would be a huge step toward giving the others access when they have earned it.
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