Let's compare apples with apples

[BurninDownTheCouch]

A quick comparison between Skyler Howard and Rakeem Cato against P5 teams(all Howard has played). Cato only played against 7 P5 schools..WVU2, Louisville1, VaTech2, Purdue1, Maryland1...so, pretty good comparison. However, Cato with 4 starting years under his belt gives him an experience, offense understanding, timing, etc advantage, later in his career. I also doubled the stats(good and bad....that's only fair) for Howard in the Kansas St. game because he only played the second half:

Career per game average against P5 teams....

Yards Per Game, TD Passes, Interceptions, Win%

Rakeem Cato 287, 2.14, 1.14,* .28
Skyler Howard 342, 3.33, 0, .33

I'm sure you'll come back and say, "Yeah, but the won/loss record was way better for Cato".... Not against P5 teams..........

Cato v WVU 264, 1, .5, .00
WVUqb v Cato 286, 3.5, .5, 1.00


*Horrible ratio(honestly)

Not trying to say Cato was a poor QB, because he wasn't. He wasn't as great as you make him out, and he carried Marshall against lesser opponents. What I am saying is, Howard's stats look MUCH better against similar competition.
Stiff?????

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

But, but, but, but, but........ The numbers lie! Howard in his second start in a bowl game over threw several players. He can't be better than Cato. Sure Howard hasn't thrown an interception and averaged more TD passes against P5 opponents, he even threw for more yards per game. He can't be better on paper than Cato, he can't! Where's my lion!

 

[shortgapwvu]

How about we hollow out those apples to smoke some crack with? - Huntington

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

Apples? What are those? Are they like cheese fries and Cokes? -- Huntington :fries:opcorn:

 

[WiiWii]

[sound of crickets]

No response from the Marshla faithful.

Brutal...

 

[Tonycried]

Hahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha...perhaps the biggest nonsensenical post ever presented on the 'shed ( and that's saying a lot). If they had played against the same teams in the same year in the same conditions it would still be dubious at best, but under these circumstances...a worthless exercise, just sign the home and home and you can unleash Howard on us in 2016.

 

[MichiganHerd]

perhaps the biggest nonsensenical post ever presented on the 'shed

That's definitely saying a lot right there.

Here's the truth:

If Cato & Howard were both suiting up on the same football squad, Howard would be holding the clipboard on the sidelines.

Here's some bonus truth:

Several fans that attended this past Liberty Bowl went home happy, as they were recipients of brand new college footballs, compliments of many errant tosses into the stands by one particular QB who 'missed the mark' on multiple occasions.

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

Hey, stats are stats. You cannot argue the numbers. Refute the numbers. Take a play from your idol Chuck Landon, "Play someone".... "No one takes you seriously"... "Your numbers are inflated"...

To look at the numbers and then arbitrarily dis Howard really shows you have a myopic viewpoint at best.

Howard threw for more TD's per game against P5 competition, more yards per game against P5 competition, and has yet to throw an interception. Cato had a 28% win percentage against P5 competition. Howard has 33%. The 33% will rise. Cato is stuck, lifetime, at 2-5......... You can make up your own mind, but you can't make up your own facts.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Now, let's dive deeper into the 'Couch Blog'.

Howard saw mop up duty against Kansas. Yes, folks, that's KANSAS.
Howard played an entire game against Iowa State. Yes, folks, that's the Ear's new rival, IOWA STATE.
Howard came in for an injured Clit Trickett, with the Ears trailing big, in the second half. K-State played PREVENT defense.
Howard played the entire game against Texas A & M. Yes, folks....oh shit, we don't want to talk about that game, now do we?

 

[Tonycried]

This totally belies the fact that the all P- 5's are not the same, they come in all shapes and sizes. As Michigan pointed out, KU is a P-5, so is 'bama but that is where the similarites end!

 

[Tonycried]

That's definitely saying a lot right there.

Here's the truth:

If Cato & Howard were both suiting up on the same football squad, Howard would be holding the clipboard on the sidelines.

Here's some bonus truth:

Several fans that attended this past Liberty Bowl went home happy, as they were recipients of brand new college footballs, compliments of many errant tosses into the stands by one particular QB who 'missed the mark' on multiple occasions.

A & M should have been routed in that game , they were awful! White was running down the field wide open all day. No wonder they shitcanned Mark, if theats the best defense they could muster.

 

[countryroads89]

Howard came in for an injured Clit Trickett, with the Ears trailing big, in the second half. K-State played PREVENT defense.

That's another way of saying we trailed 20-3 when Howard came in and the final score was 26-20, so with Howard at qb, the score was 17-6 in our favor. Thanks for making our point.

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

So you can discount Cato's stats against WVU in the midst of the 69-34 beatdown. We were in prevent all day. Cato had 7 attempts. He ended up with a 2.14 to 1.14 TD/INT ratio against P5 < 2:1 (1.8)(Wonder why his stats were less than impressive against P5s?). Take a good college QB who played against other real college teams, Marcus Mariota, his ratio was (10.5).... Howard is even better. Calling him a "stiff" is moronic.

Face it guys, you play in a different galaxy than WVU. Recruit different players. Play against Arena League hopefuls. This past year you woke up on 3rd base and thought you hit a triple. Your ranking was nothing more than to placate G5s(D1aa).... No one had one ounce of respect for who you played, beat, or lost to.

Our second and third team O and D could go undefeated with your schedule. No one cares about your games....other than the students (maybe) and delusional alums of each college.

P5 just needs to break away for good. It still is basically D1 and D1aa and D2(P5/G5/FCS), just gave them different names. EVERYONE knows that....cept for Moo fans

I will give Boise respect. They schedule, play, win, and lose, against a decent schedule, and in a stronger conference. That's why they have been considered an expansion target were it not for their market. You guys are a solid D1aa school, and always will be, at best.

 

[Mountain Mammal]

Now, let's dive deeper into the 'Couch Blog'.

Howard saw mop up duty against Kansas. Yes, folks, that's KANSAS.
Howard played an entire game against Iowa State. Yes, folks, that's the Ear's new rival, IOWA STATE.
Howard came in for an injured Clit Trickett, with the Ears trailing big, in the second half. K-State played PREVENT defense.
Howard played the entire game against Texas A & M. Yes, folks....oh shit, we don't want to talk about that game, now do we?

So instead we look to Cato who played a schedule full of homecoming games (did he play more than 3 teams with a winning record), still managing to lose a game, and this all happens during his senior season, unlike Howard who you guys have "figured" out after TWO whole starts.

I'll talk about the Bowl game, "West Virginia's Skyler Howard went 20 of 45 for 346 yards and three touchdowns while making his second career start in place of Clint Trickett, who announced Friday he was giving up football because of multiple concussions." Rough game, but (this is always fun) his stats were similar with Cato in his bowl game against a much lesser team (25-37 281 yard and three touchdowns).

I'll even post this for you again:

"You must have been very distraught about starting Cato, after all he only accounted for 4 TD's in his first four appearances (4 less than Howard) threw 7 INTs (7 more than Howard) and threw for only 751 yards (78 fewer yards than Howard) and Cato's all came as starts, while Howard only started twice."

True, not all P5's are created equal, but the herd wouldn't know, they purposely avoided them all to pad stats and get a shot at glory. Instead you boys lost a game and managed to just get ranked with 13 wins -- a slap in the face that you took as a badge of honor. At least Heisman hopeful Cato got drafted highly. Oh, wait...

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

This thread is an ALS ice bucket awakening for Moo fans. Well, even that wouldn't wake them up. Their own beat reporter and biggest homer even exposed their folly of W/L records and "success". If they played a Boise(pseudo peer) schedule they'd struggle to win 5. Fantasy Island, they live on.

 

[BurninDownTheCouch]

Ol Chuckie was the bees knees when he was busting on WVU for his career. But, when he awoke from his stupor, and smelled the crap Marshall has be shoveling, even he couldn't abide. Marshall fans lapped up his drivel. But, now that he exposes them, he's a "doosh". Marshall is a straw man, and even Doc knows it. Sure as hell Pruett did. I wouldn't blame them for keeping it going if it sold tickets, got them exposure, etc.... It does neither. It's just embarrassing.

I hear Marshall fans excuse their scheduling, I've heard it for years. But, everyone in their own conference schedules MUCH tougher with ease. Don't even look how the MWC schedules, Marshall thinks they're insane. Just imagine if Marshall had to even play WVU's old BE schedule which they trashed. 128 rank.....only because there's not a 129. A true D1aa program... There are FCS schools with tougher schedules year in and year out. Georgia Southern's FCS schedule would have sent Doc and crew scrambling back to the mop cupboard and Marshall Reynolds' pocket.